EPT[Patch 4.9] RIP Kha'Zix General Discussion - Page 43
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 07 2014 15:02 ticklishmusic wrote: Warwick is probably the best jungle if you're duoing. It's insanely easy to snowball a buddy with just a tiny bit of coordination, like Jax + Warwick is probably as close as you can get to a guaranteed win. Unless your other two lanes lose because the other team has a jungler who can do something without their ult. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Also, carried myself out of bronze into Silver, basically used Vi to ult my way into Silver. Edit: I know she can still carry/snowball harder than most champs, but it seems that if she falls behind or gets camped early on she'll just be a non-factor. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 07 2014 16:22 Kinie wrote: So what would it take for Riven to start seeing play again? Is it just that her hp/5 got gutted, or metagame shifts, or what? I feel like if she had better hp/5 she'd see some pocket play in pro games, not just as random picks from the guys who play nothing but her. Also, carried myself out of bronze into Silver, basically used Vi to ult my way into Silver. lol shes still really good. shes never a bad pick imo. she snowballs harder than almost any other champion with just one or two kills randomly and she will turn into a team slaying nightmare | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
this is not true at all | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On June 07 2014 15:15 GolemMadness wrote: Unless your other two lanes lose because the other team has a jungler who can do something without their ult. There isn't a big problem with a jungler who needs lvl6 to do stuff, there is a big problem if such a champion can't jungle for dick. Warwick is the slowest thing that could still be barely considered a jungler. If you have a thing for champions who have strong lvl6 ganks at the cost of not doing anything before lvl6 try out Skarner and be amazed what a mspeed skill and 35 seconds faster lvl6 do for you On June 07 2014 14:27 Sufficiency wrote: WW is pretty easy, but I feel you still need to at least be able to make the right decisions... you got only one R. You think WW is easier than other junglers only because you feel obligated to do things before 6 when you play other junglers when you actually aren't | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 07 2014 17:51 Scip wrote: There isn't a big problem with a jungler who needs lvl6 to do stuff, there is a big problem if such a champion can't jungle for dick. Warwick is the slowest thing that could still be barely considered a jungler. If you have a thing for champions who have strong lvl6 ganks at the cost of not doing anything before lvl6 try out Skarner and be amazed what a mspeed skill and 35 seconds faster lvl6 do for you You think WW is easier than other junglers only because you feel obligated to do things before 6 when you play other junglers when you actually aren't Most junglers use level 6 to make plays. Even Sejuani, Rengar, and Lee, champs with cc and gap closers before 6. I think it's partly because the jungle items don't add much damage to champions (machete adds none and neither does spirit stone), partly because the jungle is so tough (low on life so you start dueling someone and they threaten to kill you), trinket wards (even people who don't buy wards see you coming half the time) and teleport (top laners never stay when they're low). Like I can certainly gank with Sej pre 6 and it's advantageous to do so considering Warwick can't even consider it, but given all the above, it's often hard to find a situation where the gank works out unless I have ult and ganks are way more effective with ult. All I'm saying is that it's not strictly wrong to wait until 6 to gank as one of those champs. Don't force ganks. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On June 07 2014 09:41 krndandaman wrote: Let's put it this way. Player A plays 50 champions. He is plat 2. Player B plays 2 champions. He is plat 2. Chances are A is better, no? I do think that it is necessary to specialize if you are going to make it into challenger/pro though. There's no way around it. Teams don't need players that play all roles and those that specialize will have a huge advantage over you. Chances are that Player A played for a longer time and Player B is improving at a faster rate. Obviously this is not prevelant in EVERY case but it is much easier to learn the game when you play specific champions - when you play 50 different champions you'll most likely learn less about the game and more about the champion you're playing. When playing on comfort champions you can focus on different skills. Edit: Basically what I'm saying is that if your goal is to learn the game, one of the most effective ways is to specialize and then when you get to the highest level you can start branching out. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 07 2014 18:51 EquilasH wrote: Chances are that Player A played for a longer time and Player B is improving at a faster rate. Obviously this is not prevelant in EVERY case but it is much easier to learn the game when you play specific champions - when you play 50 different champions you'll most likely learn less about the game and more about the champion you're playing. When playing on comfort champions you can focus on different skills. Edit: Basically what I'm saying is that if your goal is to learn the game, one of the most effective ways is to specialize and then when you get to the highest level you can start branching out. lol literally no way to prove that and no, knowing 2 champions at d1 then trying to learn others against people who arent retards is goign to get you destroyed i'd rather know 10 champions decently well, and be able to play them decently well, than know 1 and be shit out of luck when i dont get my role | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On June 07 2014 18:58 arb wrote: lol literally no way to prove that and no, knowing 2 champions at d1 then trying to learn others against people who arent retards is goign to get you destroyed i'd rather know 10 champions decently well, and be able to play them decently well, than know 1 and be shit out of luck when i dont get my role I'd take knowing 2 champions really well and being shitty/mediocre at 8 others, than being decent at 10 champions any fucking day. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 07 2014 18:58 arb wrote: lol literally no way to prove that and no, knowing 2 champions at d1 then trying to learn others against people who arent retards is goign to get you destroyed i'd rather know 10 champions decently well, and be able to play them decently well, than know 1 and be shit out of luck when i dont get my role I started playing Karma in like D3. Peaked in D1 at around a 65% win rate over 20 games on her. Started playing Ryze somewhere around there and did fine on him as well. Same with Warwick. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On June 07 2014 18:58 arb wrote: lol literally no way to prove that and no, knowing 2 champions at d1 then trying to learn others against people who arent retards is goign to get you destroyed i'd rather know 10 champions decently well, and be able to play them decently well, than know 1 and be shit out of luck when i dont get my role Obviously there's no way to prove it and it's all personal opinion. Same goes with everything everyone else is saying about this matter. In pre-season 1 and season 1 I played all kinds of different roles and a lot of different champions (and I wasn't doing so well). Then in early Season 2 I restricted myself to Akali, Kassadin and Sion and I saw myself quickly improving (not only with the champions but in general), and then I branched out from there by playing a champion a couple of times in normals before starting ranked and I was easily able to compete with other champions in the high ratings (from around 1500 Elo in Season 1 to top 25 EUNE in Season 2). I know a lot of people in high ratings did it the same way. Bjergsen for example used to basically only play Cassiopeia and a bit of Morgana. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On June 07 2014 18:58 arb wrote: lol literally no way to prove that and no, knowing 2 champions at d1 then trying to learn others against people who arent retards is goign to get you destroyed i'd rather know 10 champions decently well, and be able to play them decently well, than know 1 and be shit out of luck when i dont get my role Funny of you to say that given you aren't d1 yet there are a few people on this forum who are (were S3) and did exactly what you advocate against | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
but elo hell | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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