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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.

Enough is enough. Let's move along now.

-NeoIllusions
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 00:53:52
June 07 2014 00:47 GMT
#801
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2014 00:51 GMT
#802
alright my better analogy is nobody needs your approval on what they do with their time
I come in for the scraps
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 07 2014 00:56 GMT
#803
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 07 2014 01:00 GMT
#804
On June 07 2014 09:42 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 09:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 07 2014 09:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey Sufficiency do you have win rates by champion and game length data? If you have the data but not the time, I can make graphs for it.

Like I've always wanted to show Panth's win rate by game length.


Like the pictorial chart I made before? Yes I do. Check your PM.

Aw sick! I didn't know you'd made graphs or had forgotten.


I didn't make graphs. I just made a spreadsheet with the green/red stuff and post it as a screenshot.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23385 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 01:26:53
June 07 2014 01:24 GMT
#805
On June 07 2014 09:47 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 09:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 07 2014 09:41 krndandaman wrote:
I'm more surprised that the vast majority of players on league are able to main 1 role let alone 1 champion. I get bored as fuck playing even 1 role 3 games in a row.


yea i cant believe pro sports player just play point guard all day or striker or goalie. they must get bored as fuck playing the same thing all the time.

TL;DR winning is fun enough for competitive people


Not really a working analogy.

You don't have 150 different champions to play and we are not pro players.

Roles in basketball are also largely defined by your height.

Whenever I play pick up basketball I don't always play pointguard. If I'm the shortest player, I'll probably play it.

Even then, basketball is a lot different from league in that you can pretty much do anything other people do. You aren't limited by your role (unless of course you are a professional on a team).

Come up with a better analogy.

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 09:43 Slayer91 wrote:
lol dem sports players all 1 trick ponies

getting bored of playing the same shit happens when you cease to look for new things to try and mistakes that you made so you have something to work toward
theres very good reasons why people who stick to1 champ average much higher skill level


Wasn't applied to pro players. I'm talking about the general populous on league.

I disagree. We have over a 100 different champs to play in this game. Does it make any sense to limit yourself to just 1 champion? Sure if you wanna just gain elo you can just become a 1 trick pony and master the champion. Also the pros aren't 1 trick ponies. They are just exceptionally good at the role/champs they play but they would still smash most high elo players in other roles, especially with practice. It's no wonder pros don't really respect the 1 trick ponies. They are utterly useless in a competitive setting.

I also disagree that higher elo = higher skill. It's a good marker for it but definitely not absolute.


there are like 15 roles in rugby, or whatever 11 in american footbal, does it make sense to limit yourself to one positon?
its the langauge you use is a problem, its not about limiting yourself its about focusing to increase your skill as much as possible in one area, and when you are finished you stop, unfortunately nobody is good enough to ever reach a skill ceiling so they just keep focusing in the same area unless they are required to switch for external reasons.

pros dont respect the non pros unless they are like the top tier or solo q, so that argument doesnt mean anything,
it wouldn't take a challenger 1 trick pony more than 10 games to be able to rape diamond players with a champ
its the exact same argument you used for pros being able to rape people in offroles its the same thing with people who main 1 role/1 champ they tend to be significantly better at everything except champ specific skill on non main champs
people who paly lots of champs arent better at regular champs, they are just equally bad on everything because its so much harder to learn with a new set of skills to work with every game
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 07 2014 01:31 GMT
#806
is lulu considered easy to play? i read somewhere shes like ziggs but im after 3rd game and i still suck with her while with ziggs i was decent almost from the start lol
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 07 2014 01:33 GMT
#807
On June 07 2014 10:24 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 09:47 krndandaman wrote:
On June 07 2014 09:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 07 2014 09:41 krndandaman wrote:
I'm more surprised that the vast majority of players on league are able to main 1 role let alone 1 champion. I get bored as fuck playing even 1 role 3 games in a row.


yea i cant believe pro sports player just play point guard all day or striker or goalie. they must get bored as fuck playing the same thing all the time.

TL;DR winning is fun enough for competitive people


Not really a working analogy.

You don't have 150 different champions to play and we are not pro players.

Roles in basketball are also largely defined by your height.

Whenever I play pick up basketball I don't always play pointguard. If I'm the shortest player, I'll probably play it.

Even then, basketball is a lot different from league in that you can pretty much do anything other people do. You aren't limited by your role (unless of course you are a professional on a team).

Come up with a better analogy.

On June 07 2014 09:43 Slayer91 wrote:
lol dem sports players all 1 trick ponies

getting bored of playing the same shit happens when you cease to look for new things to try and mistakes that you made so you have something to work toward
theres very good reasons why people who stick to1 champ average much higher skill level


Wasn't applied to pro players. I'm talking about the general populous on league.

I disagree. We have over a 100 different champs to play in this game. Does it make any sense to limit yourself to just 1 champion? Sure if you wanna just gain elo you can just become a 1 trick pony and master the champion. Also the pros aren't 1 trick ponies. They are just exceptionally good at the role/champs they play but they would still smash most high elo players in other roles, especially with practice. It's no wonder pros don't really respect the 1 trick ponies. They are utterly useless in a competitive setting.

I also disagree that higher elo = higher skill. It's a good marker for it but definitely not absolute.


there are like 15 roles in rugby, or whatever 11 in american footbal, does it make sense to limit yourself to one positon?
its the langauge you use is a problem, its not about limiting yourself its about focusing to increase your skill as much as possible in one area, and when you are finished you stop, unfortunately nobody is good enough to ever reach a skill ceiling so they just keep focusing in the same area unless they are required to switch for external reasons.

pros dont respect the non pros unless they are like the top tier or solo q, so that argument doesnt mean anything,
it wouldn't take a challenger 1 trick pony more than 10 games to be able to rape diamond players with a champ
its the exact same argument you used for pros being able to rape people in offroles its the same thing with people who main 1 role/1 champ they tend to be significantly better at everything except champ specific skill on non main champs
people who paly lots of champs arent better at regular champs, they are just equally bad on everything because its so much harder to learn with a new set of skills to work with every game

too much rape. please think of the women.
liftlift > tsm
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 07 2014 01:33 GMT
#808
Pros don't respect the one trick ponies? According to whom? There was even that one segment on LCS where they talked about how good some of them are on their champion. In the vast majority of cases, elo does equal skill. Yeah, there'll be some outliers, but people don't just happen to get challenger by being lucky.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 02:04:00
June 07 2014 01:58 GMT
#809
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 02:03:33
June 07 2014 02:02 GMT
#810
I just noticed every champ in ranked in the top 10 win rates has an AoE ability (usually ult) and even though Kayle has been nerfed to shit, since people started getting Runaan's on her, she's been #1. This has been the case forever. Maybe it's time to bust out the runaan's Jinxes.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 07 2014 02:05 GMT
#811
Kayle was #1 win rate before people started building hurricane on her.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 02:08:37
June 07 2014 02:07 GMT
#812
On June 07 2014 10:31 kongoline wrote:
is lulu considered easy to play? i read somewhere shes like ziggs but im after 3rd game and i still suck with her while with ziggs i was decent almost from the start lol


You can probably play her okay and do okay in lane because she is quite forgiving, but she has a pretty high skillcap because she's got such a versatile kit. I'd compare her to Lee Sin (though with less micro)-- you can do so many things in so many different situations with the champ.

Ziggs is you go in and blow stuff up, Lulu is more the type that controls the flow of the fight. You have to go in with a pretty different mindset, Lulu is not really about doing straight damage.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 07 2014 02:14 GMT
#813
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 07 2014 02:30 GMT
#814
On June 07 2014 11:05 GolemMadness wrote:
Kayle was #1 win rate before people started building hurricane on her.

Oh. Nvm then
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 07 2014 02:34 GMT
#815
On June 07 2014 10:31 kongoline wrote:
is lulu considered easy to play? i read somewhere shes like ziggs but im after 3rd game and i still suck with her while with ziggs i was decent almost from the start lol


Her laning is really strong, but Ziggs teamfight is much easier since he has fewer critical decisions to make
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 07 2014 02:50 GMT
#816
WW is seriously freelo right now in plat and below. No supports build Mikail's and everyone plays dumb. You just press R and win. Simple as that.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 07 2014 02:54 GMT
#817
Mikael's doesn't work on suppresses.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 07 2014 02:57 GMT
#818
how can a moba as complicated and have such strategic depth as legend of leagues be summed up by two sentences like that
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 07 2014 02:59 GMT
#819
On June 07 2014 11:54 GolemMadness wrote:
Mikael's doesn't work on suppresses.


Really? Oh man...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 07 2014 03:05 GMT
#820
On June 07 2014 11:50 Sufficiency wrote:
WW is seriously freelo right now in plat and below. No supports build Mikail's and everyone plays dumb. You just press R and win. Simple as that.

You are referencing support WW correct :3
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