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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 07 2014 20:21 GMT
#2881
Vladimir
W - Sanguine Pool
BUGFIX Fixed some cases where Vladimir could be stunned or rooted while in his troll pool


Riot pls
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 20:24:48
May 07 2014 20:22 GMT
#2882
I'm not calling Monte over rated, I like Monte, I just wish there were other analysts as popular so he didn't get free reign to say whatever he wants.

Monte doesn't have to apologise for being the best, he earned it, that's on Riot (since no other tournaments can exist) to stop leashing the shit out of there analysts and making them say both teams played great after every game
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
May 07 2014 20:23 GMT
#2883
Sometimes Monte's interaction with the community outside of casting can be an issue. I think that overall he has a pretty good grasp on the game and at the very least things he say should be considered. However, I think his increased visibility causes his overall message has become stale and we end up with twitch memes about rotations.

Even a good record gets annoying when you hear it too often.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 07 2014 20:26 GMT
#2884

REMOVED CHAMPION AGGRO DISPLAY: Orange outline


OH MY GOD I DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD EVER DO IT
THIS IS THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE
:3
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 07 2014 20:27 GMT
#2885
On May 08 2014 05:01 Nos- wrote:
A lot of Monte's analysis is kind of only skin deep? I think Cheep made a pretty good post about how a lot of what Monte says can be summarized as "if player_x just played that perfectly they would have won the fight", whereas people like Jatt, Kobe, Deficio, and to a lesser extend Phreak can tell you more in depth about why or how things happen because they actually play the game at a relatively high level. Monte's not a bad caster by any means but I don't think he should be THE authority figure of all things league.

Monte can't talk too much about specifics into how fights play out, because that's not his area of expertise. So obviously if you compare Riot's inhouse (for the most part are all high elo players) they can tell you specifics about how spells are suppose to be used in skirmishes, but in terms how the overall gameplan is, how comp timings work, which objectives their comp can or can not contest, etc etc. these are the things Monte are really great at.
liftlift > tsm
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 07 2014 20:30 GMT
#2886
Hoorah for the khazix changes. No more getting annihilated under turret by isolation damage, and that heavily nerfs his isolation overall. Slight change, but that should help a ton.

J4 buffs are nice, kass nerfs deserved, Lissandra buffs :D

Malph buffs are pretty neat as well.

I think they're going a bit far on the feral flare changes. Damage to monsters wasn't too much the issue, it's how people played with and around the item.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 07 2014 20:31 GMT
#2887
Alright if the issue was that feral flare makes people stay in the jungle too long, why not just reverse it. For every 30 seconds you go *without* killing a large monster you get 1dmg. Thoughts???
:3
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
May 07 2014 20:32 GMT
#2888
On May 08 2014 05:31 Eiii wrote:
Alright if the issue was that feral flare makes people stay in the jungle too long, why not just reverse it. For every 30 seconds you go *without* killing a large monster you get 1dmg. Thoughts???


sit in fountain, gain AD.

What could possible suck about that?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 07 2014 20:33 GMT
#2889
if they didn't want feral flare to be so strong when they got it, they could have just smoothed out it's power curve by nerfing how strong it was when it activated, but making wriggles a little better, rather than nerfing the item straight out.

either way, hopefully we stop seeing all the misplaced qq about an item that wasn't even op'd in competitive play when it was supposedly op'd.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 20:34:09
May 07 2014 20:33 GMT
#2890
badpost
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 07 2014 20:34 GMT
#2891
On May 08 2014 05:31 Eiii wrote:
Alright if the issue was that feral flare makes people stay in the jungle too long, why not just reverse it. For every 30 seconds you go *without* killing a large monster you get 1dmg. Thoughts???

Very, very bad. Mid-lategame, especially when behind, 9 times out of 10 the jungler won't get camps because the money is better on other people. I've had games where I've gone 5+ minutes without killing a big jungle camp, only cleaning up some lane farm/defending pushes. Should I be rewarded with 10 damage for doing jack shit?
Porouscloud - NA LoL
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 07 2014 20:34 GMT
#2892
Not to mention that Feral Flare was still designed to shift jungle gameplay toward being somewhat more selfish and farm-oriented, they just overdid it.

The direction was the one they wanted to go in, it's just that they overshot their goal.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 20:35:52
May 07 2014 20:35 GMT
#2893
On May 08 2014 05:30 Amui wrote:
Hoorah for the khazix changes. No more getting annihilated under turret by isolation damage, and that heavily nerfs his isolation overall. Slight change, but that should help a ton.

J4 buffs are nice, kass nerfs deserved, Lissandra buffs :D

Malph buffs are pretty neat as well.

I think they're going a bit far on the feral flare changes. Damage to monsters wasn't too much the issue, it's how people played with and around the item.


they should have just added a feral flare like stacking buff to the other jungle items from kills and assists instead of giving it to feral flare.

the ff jungler shouldnt be getting even more monster when he finally comes to a lane and tower dives you, the other jungle items should be rewarded for punishing the ff user.

On May 08 2014 05:34 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 05:31 Eiii wrote:
Alright if the issue was that feral flare makes people stay in the jungle too long, why not just reverse it. For every 30 seconds you go *without* killing a large monster you get 1dmg. Thoughts???

Very, very bad. Mid-lategame, especially when behind, 9 times out of 10 the jungler won't get camps because the money is better on other people. I've had games where I've gone 5+ minutes without killing a big jungle camp, only cleaning up some lane farm/defending pushes. Should I be rewarded with 10 damage for doing jack shit?


end game fantasy.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
May 07 2014 20:37 GMT
#2894
On May 08 2014 05:35 turdburgler wrote:
the ff jungler shouldnt be getting even more monster when he finally comes to a lane and tower dives you, the other jungle items should be rewarded for punishing the ff user.

my jaw slowly went slack while reading this, can you rephrase
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 07 2014 20:38 GMT
#2895
no soraka nerfs whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 07 2014 20:39 GMT
#2896
Just give feral flare a weird confusing diminishing return like release Thresh's passive, there I fixed it (joke)

Trinkets being usable at 0:30 looks like a good change for competitive play. Dragon worth more early also helps a ton.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 07 2014 20:39 GMT
#2897
On May 08 2014 05:32 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 05:31 Eiii wrote:
Alright if the issue was that feral flare makes people stay in the jungle too long, why not just reverse it. For every 30 seconds you go *without* killing a large monster you get 1dmg. Thoughts???


sit in fountain, gain AD.

What could possible suck about that?


On May 08 2014 05:34 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 05:31 Eiii wrote:
Alright if the issue was that feral flare makes people stay in the jungle too long, why not just reverse it. For every 30 seconds you go *without* killing a large monster you get 1dmg. Thoughts???

Very, very bad. Mid-lategame, especially when behind, 9 times out of 10 the jungler won't get camps because the money is better on other people. I've had games where I've gone 5+ minutes without killing a big jungle camp, only cleaning up some lane farm/defending pushes. Should I be rewarded with 10 damage for doing jack shit?


Darn. Then maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't inherent to the stacking mechanic like they seem to imply.

I wonder if they increase the rewards for kills/assists if it'll start stepping on the conservation mechanic's toes too much.
:3
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 07 2014 20:39 GMT
#2898
On May 08 2014 05:37 Kyrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 05:35 turdburgler wrote:
the ff jungler shouldnt be getting even more monster when he finally comes to a lane and tower dives you, the other jungle items should be rewarded for punishing the ff user.

my jaw slowly went slack while reading this, can you rephrase



the feral flare jungler shouldnt be getting even more monster when he finally comes to a lane and tower dives you.

the other jungle items should be rewarded for punishing the feral flare user.

there you go.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 07 2014 20:43 GMT
#2899
On May 08 2014 05:39 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 05:37 Kyrie wrote:
On May 08 2014 05:35 turdburgler wrote:
the ff jungler shouldnt be getting even more monster when he finally comes to a lane and tower dives you, the other jungle items should be rewarded for punishing the ff user.

my jaw slowly went slack while reading this, can you rephrase



the feral flare jungler shouldnt be getting even more monster when he finally comes to a lane and tower dives you.

the other jungle items should be rewarded for punishing the feral flare user.

there you go.

I still don't get what you mean? FF shouldn't be allowed to farm lane minions or something?
liftlift > tsm
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 07 2014 20:44 GMT
#2900
Hate those khazix changes. The increased range of isolation and nerf to his ult I can live with. Turrets counting as allies is fucking stupid. League is defensive enough already.
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