Q is 110 mana at level 5. You Q 4-5 times and you're out of mana if you don't have blue buff.

I generally go W->Q->W->E, into R>W>2nd point into Q > E > Q

I don't really see the point in maxing Q first (or even second ) if you go the wriggles route, you run out of mana way too quickly for it to be useful and more movement speed for securing kills helps a lot. Unless you're having trouble surviving and its a constant 5v5. Then I'd consider more points in q.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

April 13 2014 20:58 GMT

#1423

I'm with Zerodas though, if you doing any real fighting you want that Q to be high for the heal baits, but W definitely a better farming spell.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

April 13 2014 21:49 GMT

#1424

On April 14 2014 05:14 Alaric wrote:
Pre-s2 Mundo used to build PD because of that. Can't remember their other items though, I didn't see him at that time, just that when he received the buffs that made him a good jungler people mentioned PD and that he stopped using it.
(Then again troll builds on Rammus included PD for the zoom zoom effect + the fact that his passive gives him a frightening amount of AD—especially early game, the 80+ AD dude coming out of the jungle and hitting you with AS marks makes for a lot of his gank damage).

PD Mundo was good for after you were fed or as a late game item on top of his +100 AD on E.

Rammus was actually pretty scary with wriggles atmogs and pd, you could taunt people into their death by critting the fuck out of them lolol

Says on the Wiki Warwicks ult automatically applies max stacks of his passive on hit, confirm deny?

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

April 13 2014 21:53 GMT

#1425

On April 14 2014 06:49 arb wrote:

Show nested quote +

PD Mundo was good for after you were fed or as a late game item on top of his +100 AD on E.

Rammus was actually pretty scary with wriggles atmogs and pd, you could taunt people into their death by critting the fuck out of them lolol

Says on the Wiki Warwicks ult automatically applies max stacks of his passive on hit, confirm deny?

Confirmed. 90% sure it also applies max stack even if QSS is used.

What AD is good to pair with Nami other than Caitlyn?

killerdog

Denmark6522 Posts

April 13 2014 22:00 GMT

#1426

On April 14 2014 06:53 Sponkz wrote:

Show nested quote +

Confirmed. 90% sure it also applies max stack even if QSS is used.

What AD is good to pair with Nami other than Caitlyn?

Isn't lucian pretty good? Lots of burst if you catch someone in a bubble, and his passive helps get off all the e bonus damage quickly~

Steins;Gate

1422 Posts

April 13 2014 22:05 GMT

#1427

Vayne + Nami is pretty good

Cheap0

United States540 Posts

April 13 2014 22:17 GMT

#1428

Honestly, most adc's can function pretty well with Nami. She can max E for champions that want the slow or Q for high burst, depending on what works best for your lane.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

April 13 2014 22:22 GMT

#1429

am I the only one that feels nami is just a bad zyra? The sustain can be nice in certain situations but besides that zyra much better

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

April 13 2014 22:27 GMT

#1430

Nami is a pretty well-rounded support and almost ANY ADC does well with her in lane. You can max W or E depending on needs, and most games I take a second point in W before 6 even if I plan on maxing E first. I don't agree with Cheap0 that Q is ever a good idea to max first, as bubbles aren't nearly as easy to land as W's and E's, and the stun duration doesn't scale... It's a high risk, low reward choice.

As Nami, some of the ADC's I look most forward to working with are:

Caitlyn
Draven
Miss Fortune
Lucian
Vayne

Those 5 tend to be the best and utilizing my E (Vayne, Draven, Cait) and/or following up a landed Bubble (Lucian, MF). In the case of MF, I don't think I need to spell out that the wombo combo is pretty badass, in particular.

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

April 13 2014 22:29 GMT

#1431

On April 14 2014 07:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
am I the only one that feels nami is just a bad zyra? The sustain can be nice in certain situations but besides that zyra much better

I like them both, but no. I think Nami is stronger than Zyra in most situations. Nami's passive, heal, slow on E, and hard CC with ult and Q are much more reliable at protecting your teammates than Zyra's skills, although Zyra tends to deal more damage on her own.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

April 13 2014 22:33 GMT

#1432

Zyra is better at pushing, checking bushes, zone control in general. Nami's ult is instant counter-initiation, while Zyra is either follow-up, disruption, or zone control on your own backline when you get dived.
Nami has stronger catches, sustain, is better at chasing (and possibly kiting).

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

April 13 2014 22:39 GMT

#1433

Yea, bubble is much better than any of Zyra's CC. Zyra is just a totally different type of champion, she is a poke and damage support with some zone control. Nami is a more traditional support.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

April 13 2014 22:45 GMT

#1434

you'd think that on paper, but as we see constantly LCS is all about minimizing risk as much as possible. it's too easy to fuck up all of nami's skills so she is never picked, while we do see zyra a bit since she is much more forgiving.

TheHumanSensation

Canada1210 Posts

April 13 2014 23:03 GMT

#1435

Yeah, skillshot taric has too high of a skillcap.

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

April 13 2014 23:15 GMT

#1436

On April 14 2014 07:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
you'd think that on paper, but as we see constantly LCS is all about minimizing risk as much as possible. it's too easy to fuck up all of nami's skills so she is never picked, while we do see zyra a bit since she is much more forgiving.

You see Nami a bit more in OGN. And I haven't seen an LCS Zyra since last season?

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

April 13 2014 23:15 GMT

#1437

That doesn't mean that they are similar champions/fit the same niche, it just means that at least one of them (both IMO) need buffs.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 13 2014 23:46 GMT

#1438

Speaking of FF warwick, what runes/masteries are you guys running on him?

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

April 13 2014 23:56 GMT

#1439

On April 14 2014 08:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Speaking of FF warwick, what runes/masteries are you guys running on him?

I been using oldschool jungler runes.

MS Quints, 6 AS reds, 3 AD reds, Flat Armor Yellows, and Scaling MR blues.

I want to try FF Chogath too. I feel like that would be pretty good for some reason. Anyone who likes Wits End and can jungle I feel like can smash things with Feral Flare. WE+FF is so strong together.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

April 13 2014 23:58 GMT

#1440

Nami is really good in lane. Her teamfight feels slightly underwhelming though.... not as awkward as Sona, but still, I feel her impact is somewhat limited to her Q and R.