• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:21
CEST 00:21
KST 07:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)34Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Etiquete rules in Asl? BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map)
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5015 users

[Patch 4.5] Rune Rework General Discussion - Page 72

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 118 Next
New Article: Interview with Chobra (OGN)
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 13 2014 20:19 GMT
#1421
On April 14 2014 05:12 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote:
I almost feel like WW clears the Wight and Golem camps faster than wolves/wraiths, I could be wrong though. I'ma go test.

EDIT: At level 3 with double buff and leveling QWW Golems take 12 seconds, wraiths 19s, Wolves, 16s, and Wight is only 10s.

I feel like his clear might not be bad, just people emphasizing wrong camps.

You get a second W point at lvl 3? I tough warwick maxed Q first and E second


You clear way faster with W. Not like you lack sustain or are goping to burst a kid with jungle WW Q.

Personally WQWE, R>W>Q>E
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 21:20:22
April 13 2014 20:47 GMT
#1422
On April 14 2014 05:12 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote:
I almost feel like WW clears the Wight and Golem camps faster than wolves/wraiths, I could be wrong though. I'ma go test.

EDIT: At level 3 with double buff and leveling QWW Golems take 12 seconds, wraiths 19s, Wolves, 16s, and Wight is only 10s.

I feel like his clear might not be bad, just people emphasizing wrong camps.

You get a second W point at lvl 3? I tough warwick maxed Q first and E second


Q is 110 mana at level 5. You Q 4-5 times and you're out of mana if you don't have blue buff.

I generally go W->Q->W->E, into R>W>2nd point into Q > E > Q

I don't really see the point in maxing Q first (or even second ) if you go the wriggles route, you run out of mana way too quickly for it to be useful and more movement speed for securing kills helps a lot. Unless you're having trouble surviving and its a constant 5v5. Then I'd consider more points in q.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 13 2014 20:58 GMT
#1423
I'm with Zerodas though, if you doing any real fighting you want that Q to be high for the heal baits, but W definitely a better farming spell.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 21:52:17
April 13 2014 21:49 GMT
#1424
On April 14 2014 05:14 Alaric wrote:
Pre-s2 Mundo used to build PD because of that. Can't remember their other items though, I didn't see him at that time, just that when he received the buffs that made him a good jungler people mentioned PD and that he stopped using it.
(Then again troll builds on Rammus included PD for the zoom zoom effect + the fact that his passive gives him a frightening amount of AD—especially early game, the 80+ AD dude coming out of the jungle and hitting you with AS marks makes for a lot of his gank damage).

PD Mundo was good for after you were fed or as a late game item on top of his +100 AD on E.

Rammus was actually pretty scary with wriggles atmogs and pd, you could taunt people into their death by critting the fuck out of them lolol

Says on the Wiki Warwicks ult automatically applies max stacks of his passive on hit, confirm deny?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 21:54:25
April 13 2014 21:53 GMT
#1425
On April 14 2014 06:49 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 05:14 Alaric wrote:
Pre-s2 Mundo used to build PD because of that. Can't remember their other items though, I didn't see him at that time, just that when he received the buffs that made him a good jungler people mentioned PD and that he stopped using it.
(Then again troll builds on Rammus included PD for the zoom zoom effect + the fact that his passive gives him a frightening amount of AD—especially early game, the 80+ AD dude coming out of the jungle and hitting you with AS marks makes for a lot of his gank damage).

PD Mundo was good for after you were fed or as a late game item on top of his +100 AD on E.

Rammus was actually pretty scary with wriggles atmogs and pd, you could taunt people into their death by critting the fuck out of them lolol

Says on the Wiki Warwicks ult automatically applies max stacks of his passive on hit, confirm deny?



Confirmed. 90% sure it also applies max stack even if QSS is used.


What AD is good to pair with Nami other than Caitlyn?
hi
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 22:01:54
April 13 2014 22:00 GMT
#1426
On April 14 2014 06:53 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:49 arb wrote:
On April 14 2014 05:14 Alaric wrote:
Pre-s2 Mundo used to build PD because of that. Can't remember their other items though, I didn't see him at that time, just that when he received the buffs that made him a good jungler people mentioned PD and that he stopped using it.
(Then again troll builds on Rammus included PD for the zoom zoom effect + the fact that his passive gives him a frightening amount of AD—especially early game, the 80+ AD dude coming out of the jungle and hitting you with AS marks makes for a lot of his gank damage).

PD Mundo was good for after you were fed or as a late game item on top of his +100 AD on E.

Rammus was actually pretty scary with wriggles atmogs and pd, you could taunt people into their death by critting the fuck out of them lolol

Says on the Wiki Warwicks ult automatically applies max stacks of his passive on hit, confirm deny?



Confirmed. 90% sure it also applies max stack even if QSS is used.


What AD is good to pair with Nami other than Caitlyn?

Isn't lucian pretty good? Lots of burst if you catch someone in a bubble, and his passive helps get off all the e bonus damage quickly~
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
April 13 2014 22:05 GMT
#1427
Vayne + Nami is pretty good
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
April 13 2014 22:17 GMT
#1428
Honestly, most adc's can function pretty well with Nami. She can max E for champions that want the slow or Q for high burst, depending on what works best for your lane.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 13 2014 22:22 GMT
#1429
am I the only one that feels nami is just a bad zyra? The sustain can be nice in certain situations but besides that zyra much better
I come in for the scraps
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
April 13 2014 22:27 GMT
#1430
Nami is a pretty well-rounded support and almost ANY ADC does well with her in lane. You can max W or E depending on needs, and most games I take a second point in W before 6 even if I plan on maxing E first. I don't agree with Cheap0 that Q is ever a good idea to max first, as bubbles aren't nearly as easy to land as W's and E's, and the stun duration doesn't scale... It's a high risk, low reward choice.

As Nami, some of the ADC's I look most forward to working with are:

Caitlyn
Draven
Miss Fortune
Lucian
Vayne


Those 5 tend to be the best and utilizing my E (Vayne, Draven, Cait) and/or following up a landed Bubble (Lucian, MF). In the case of MF, I don't think I need to spell out that the wombo combo is pretty badass, in particular.

Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 22:33:03
April 13 2014 22:29 GMT
#1431
On April 14 2014 07:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
am I the only one that feels nami is just a bad zyra? The sustain can be nice in certain situations but besides that zyra much better



I like them both, but no. I think Nami is stronger than Zyra in most situations. Nami's passive, heal, slow on E, and hard CC with ult and Q are much more reliable at protecting your teammates than Zyra's skills, although Zyra tends to deal more damage on her own.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 13 2014 22:33 GMT
#1432
Zyra is better at pushing, checking bushes, zone control in general. Nami's ult is instant counter-initiation, while Zyra is either follow-up, disruption, or zone control on your own backline when you get dived.
Nami has stronger catches, sustain, is better at chasing (and possibly kiting).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 13 2014 22:39 GMT
#1433
Yea, bubble is much better than any of Zyra's CC. Zyra is just a totally different type of champion, she is a poke and damage support with some zone control. Nami is a more traditional support.
Freeeeeeedom
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 13 2014 22:45 GMT
#1434
you'd think that on paper, but as we see constantly LCS is all about minimizing risk as much as possible. it's too easy to fuck up all of nami's skills so she is never picked, while we do see zyra a bit since she is much more forgiving.
I come in for the scraps
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
April 13 2014 23:03 GMT
#1435
Yeah, skillshot taric has too high of a skillcap.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
April 13 2014 23:15 GMT
#1436
On April 14 2014 07:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
you'd think that on paper, but as we see constantly LCS is all about minimizing risk as much as possible. it's too easy to fuck up all of nami's skills so she is never picked, while we do see zyra a bit since she is much more forgiving.


You see Nami a bit more in OGN. And I haven't seen an LCS Zyra since last season?
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 13 2014 23:15 GMT
#1437
On April 14 2014 07:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
you'd think that on paper, but as we see constantly LCS is all about minimizing risk as much as possible. it's too easy to fuck up all of nami's skills so she is never picked, while we do see zyra a bit since she is much more forgiving.


That doesn't mean that they are similar champions/fit the same niche, it just means that at least one of them (both IMO) need buffs.
Freeeeeeedom
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 13 2014 23:46 GMT
#1438
Speaking of FF warwick, what runes/masteries are you guys running on him?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 00:03:20
April 13 2014 23:56 GMT
#1439
On April 14 2014 08:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Speaking of FF warwick, what runes/masteries are you guys running on him?


I been using oldschool jungler runes.

MS Quints, 6 AS reds, 3 AD reds, Flat Armor Yellows, and Scaling MR blues.

I want to try FF Chogath too. I feel like that would be pretty good for some reason. Anyone who likes Wits End and can jungle I feel like can smash things with Feral Flare. WE+FF is so strong together.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 13 2014 23:58 GMT
#1440
Nami is really good in lane. Her teamfight feels slightly underwhelming though.... not as awkward as Sona, but still, I feel her impact is somewhat limited to her Q and R.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 118 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:00
Best Games of SC
ByuN vs Clem
MaxPax vs TBD
Serral vs ByuN
GgMaChine vs Bunny
PiGStarcraft182
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 747
PiGStarcraft182
ViBE136
JuggernautJason129
CosmosSc2 65
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 48
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm46
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox287
Mew2King138
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr58
Other Games
gofns12676
tarik_tv6153
Grubby2969
shahzam951
Liquid`Hasu234
ToD230
mouzStarbuck214
B2W.Neo211
XaKoH 155
Livibee68
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2091
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 68
• musti20045 28
• davetesta23
• RyuSc2 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21160
Other Games
• Shiphtur907
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 39m
RSL Revival
10h 39m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
11h 39m
Epic.LAN
14h 39m
IPSL
17h 39m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d 10h
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
OSC
1d 14h
IPSL
1d 17h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.