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SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
April 08 2014 19:28 GMT
#881
exactly, that explains his insane ban/pick rates
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 08 2014 19:36 GMT
#882
On April 09 2014 04:07 Diamond wrote:
Noticed a couple junglers (namely Oddone) trying out scaling armor in solo que, sort of interesting. You are oly 1 or so armor behind flat @ lvl 3 which is when your 1st gank is anyways.

Going to try it out, makes sense in my head.


1*9=9
0.16*3*9=4.32
9-4.32=4.68

4.68 > 1
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
April 08 2014 19:38 GMT
#883
Whoops, I should not do math without making sure the math is right.
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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 08 2014 19:42 GMT
#884
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 08 2014 19:43 GMT
#885
On April 09 2014 04:42 canikizu wrote:
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?


What do you think scaling runes give at level 1?
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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 08 2014 19:44 GMT
#886
On April 09 2014 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 04:42 canikizu wrote:
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?


What do you think scaling runes give at level 1?

Faith and Hope?
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-08 19:56:38
April 08 2014 19:56 GMT
#887
On April 09 2014 04:44 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:42 canikizu wrote:
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?


What do you think scaling runes give at level 1?

Faith and Hope?

When I solo queue, I run:

Flat Marks of Good Attitude
Scaling Seals of Cooperation
Flat Glyphs of Respect
Scaling Quintessences of Optimism

Unfortunately I find that it is usually hard-countered by Flat Quintessences of Instalock Mid.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 08 2014 19:58 GMT
#888
You need Flat Marks of Baby-Sitting, they're the only thing to work on some people.

"Nidalee, if you don't have anything nice to say to Jarvan then stop talking to him"
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 08 2014 19:59 GMT
#889
On April 09 2014 04:56 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 04:44 canikizu wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:42 canikizu wrote:
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?


What do you think scaling runes give at level 1?

Faith and Hope?

When I solo queue, I run:

Flat Marks of Good Attitude
Scaling Seals of Cooperation
Flat Glyphs of Respect
Scaling Quintessences of Optimism

Unfortunately I find that it is usually hard-countered by Flat Quintessences of Instalock Mid.

The scaling runes are the problem there. Scaling Seals of Cooperation don't beat Flat Seals of Teamwork until lvl 9, by which point you're usually too far behind for it to matter.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 08 2014 19:59 GMT
#890
On April 09 2014 04:56 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 04:44 canikizu wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:42 canikizu wrote:
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?


What do you think scaling runes give at level 1?

Faith and Hope?

When I solo queue, I run:

Flat Marks of Good Attitude
Scaling Seals of Cooperation
Flat Glyphs of Respect
Scaling Quintessences of Optimism

Unfortunately I find that it is usually hard-countered by Flat Quintessences of Instalock Mid.

10/10 would honor
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#891
9 other players to mute, 9 rune slots, not a coincidence
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#892
On April 09 2014 04:56 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 04:44 canikizu wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:42 canikizu wrote:
should it be *2? since you only level up twice?


What do you think scaling runes give at level 1?

Faith and Hope?

When I solo queue, I run:

Flat Marks of Good Attitude
Scaling Seals of Cooperation
Flat Glyphs of Respect
Scaling Quintessences of Optimism

Unfortunately I find that it is usually hard-countered by Flat Quintessences of Instalock Mid.

Your problem is you use scaling runes. Should have put all your trust in the beginning until proven wrong.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 08 2014 21:54 GMT
#893
On April 09 2014 03:43 Ketara wrote:
So far the ones I've seen do successfully with Feral Flare are Nocturne, Yi and Xin. I haven't seen a Trynd yet.


I've seen Warwick do pretty well with it.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 08 2014 23:48 GMT
#894
i plan on trying it on fiora
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 08 2014 23:53 GMT
#895
On April 09 2014 04:01 Anakko wrote:
Something I don't really understand with runes is the interest people give to the scaling option. In my mind, runes are the most important at lvl 1-6, when you basically don't have items. When you get items, the stat given by your runes will be proportionally less and less significant.
So if I want to get the most bang for my buck, I would go for the flat ones, bully my way through early game and ride that advantage with bigger/better items later, even if they get a little more from their runes in the long run. If I fall behind early, I don't think scaling runes are what is gonna let me get back in the game regardless. Does that make any sense to anyone else?
Only exception I can think of is the scaling CDR runes. Am I doing it wrong?


You're forgetting that raw power is more important later in the game when death timers are longer and more combat is happening relative to laning. It is true that runes are most important when you don't have a lot of other stats, but unless you are able to leverage that into a lead the scaling runes are overall better.

So part of the flat/scaling choice is matchup dependent. Do you need flat in order to survive? Do you need to press an early game advantage? If no, then Scaling has its advantages.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 08 2014 23:55 GMT
#896
On April 09 2014 01:50 Velocirapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 01:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
No one plays Singed anyways so it's not like it matters where he goes/what he does :[

Mundo was a tad overrated even in his heyday but the various nerfs to his items like Doran's Shield and Spirit Visage just completely shut him down. It's very difficult for him to come out of lane in anything close to a threatening position against, say, Renekton. The only region I still see him a lot is in SEA/GPL. Even LPL ditched Mundo super quickly and they're behind a million patches.

Trundle is a slightly overrated pick top ATM, he's much more niche than people currently draft him as.

i don't know enough about Aatrox.

Ryze is OK but I think he's a bit overrated right now. Like he's still good but he's not a fit-all top laner. Standard hype from something new/exciting (lol Ryze new/exciting) and people want to draft him everywhere. He'll drop off in popularity SoonTM.


My impression is that, at least from what streamers say, the excitement in around ryze at the challenger level is because he reliably beats Renekton, not that he is a broadly useful pick.

As for Aatrox, the biggest nerf he got was the gold reduction on first blood. At his height of popularity Aatrox was a pretty average jungler but his super early dive potential was huge because of his passive and before the snowball nerfs the correlation between first blood and victory was much stronger.

I've had success with Aatrox against every common toplaner personally, you have pretty decent ranged poke, and his Q >emp W > e combo is pretty chunk. You can kill almost any of them at lvl 6 with your ult too
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 00:53:47
April 09 2014 00:49 GMT
#897
On April 09 2014 06:54 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 03:43 Ketara wrote:
So far the ones I've seen do successfully with Feral Flare are Nocturne, Yi and Xin. I haven't seen a Trynd yet.


I've seen Warwick do pretty well with it.

I would imagine many manaless junglers would do well with it. Aatrox, Lee Sin and Shyvana come to mind.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 03:23:19
April 09 2014 03:22 GMT
#898
I just saw Nightblue3 take all 4 buffs Nunu vs. Shaco and proceed to spend the next 5 minutes basically masturbating himself on how good he is and how screwed the Shaco is and how free the win is.

Shaco shows up the same level as him and kills him twice. Three minutes later the Shaco is two levels above him.

This guy is so trash lomo.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 09 2014 03:26 GMT
#899
On April 09 2014 12:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I just saw Nightblue3 take all 4 buffs Nunu vs. Shaco and proceed to spend the next 5 minutes basically masturbating himself on how good he is and how screwed the Shaco is and how free the win is.

Shaco shows up the same level as him and kills him twice. Three minutes later the Shaco is two levels above him.

This guy is so trash lomo.

he rages hard and makes alot of dumb calls
dont think he's super awful though.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35146 Posts
April 09 2014 03:29 GMT
#900
On April 09 2014 12:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I just saw Nightblue3 take all 4 buffs Nunu vs. Shaco and proceed to spend the next 5 minutes basically masturbating himself on how good he is and how screwed the Shaco is and how free the win is.

Shaco shows up the same level as him and kills him twice. Three minutes later the Shaco is two levels above him.

This guy is so trash lomo.

He has a habit of getting out to a massive lead as Nunu and then fucking it up. Like most junglers, I don't think he knows how to transition the early game asshole into anything effective late game.
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