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Anakko
France1934 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:11 Scip wrote: So what are all the autoattack junglers that are worth trying out? Nocturne, Aatrox, Yi, Volibear, Shyvana, Tryndamere, Mundo.. ? Jax? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Holy shit. I mean, sure you deal a lot of damage, and you kill your first buff ridiculously fast. But the total lack of MR except from items (no runes, no masteries, and Maokai is one of the relic melee champions without scaling MR) makes you squishy as fuck and you still use half your mana every single fight post-6 because of your ult and the aggressive scaling of W's cost. And he's still a "4-protect-1" typical champion in the teamfights phase, too squishy to dive even with ult, with the heal from his passive pretty weak because people outdamage it in the time it takes for you to auto, and not very good compared to others at staying in the frontline in a meta where Shyvana is as big a carry as Jinx. Not sure how you get so much success when he seems really reliant on your team being aware that you're going to fall off super fast, the comp to have the damage to make up for you later in the game, no good itemisation (no mana from banshee anymore, FH still bad, and you can't really afford to get 2 MR items or you're going to be 6-slotted with components early so no wards). He's still fun and strong early but it's frustrating to have to rely so much on your team past level ~8. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:50 SagaZ wrote: What I really hate about rune changes is since they are so expensive, it is impossible to "try out" stuff like you can with masteries, so in the end you kind of have to see what pros or people with the time and ip to spend on experimentation thinks. I know Riot rebalanced stuff cause they want everything to be viable, but yeah... not the first time I've heard that one Embrace the rune lottery. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
junglers | ||
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Kyrie
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:43 Gahlo wrote: I love how people keep posting "What is the optimal rune setup now?", "Show runes at All Stars please because of the changes!", etc on Reddit. It's like they completely missed the point of the changes in the first place. To be an IP sink? There is always an optimal... | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:47 Alaric wrote: I tried playing Maokai like Diamond advocated. Holy shit. I mean, sure you deal a lot of damage, and you kill your first buff ridiculously fast. But the total lack of MR except from items (no runes, no masteries, and Maokai is one of the relic melee champions without scaling MR) makes you squishy as fuck and you still use half your mana every single fight post-6 because of your ult and the aggressive scaling of W's cost. And he's still a "4-protect-1" typical champion in the teamfights phase, too squishy to dive even with ult, with the heal from his passive pretty weak because people outdamage it in the time it takes for you to auto, and not very good compared to others at staying in the frontline in a meta where Shyvana is as big a carry as Jinx. Not sure how you get so much success when he seems really reliant on your team being aware that you're going to fall off super fast, the comp to have the damage to make up for you later in the game, no good itemisation (no mana from banshee anymore, FH still bad, and you can't really afford to get 2 MR items or you're going to be 6-slotted with components early so no wards). He's still fun and strong early but it's frustrating to have to rely so much on your team past level ~8. He's no T1, and with the 4.5 patch I'm not sure if he's even usable anymore as AS junglers like Yi and Noc are pretty strong vs him. Like I think I said, he's a fun different jungle. I've had ok success in ranked with him (9-7, one loss was full game d/c on our team) and seem to be able to keep up most of the game only falling off super late. I do have a lot of Maokai games as I have played him since S2, so maybe it's just I know the champ really well, idk. Also with the rune changes, idk if that rune setup is good anymore either, 4.5 was pretty large changes Sorry didn't work out for you however! Edit: The lack of MR on Mao's kit is so lame, that does indeed suck. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
was pretty good although it definitely seemed really slow at the start | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Stun ganks stronk. | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
So if I want to get the most bang for my buck, I would go for the flat ones, bully my way through early game and ride that advantage with bigger/better items later, even if they get a little more from their runes in the long run. If I fall behind early, I don't think scaling runes are what is gonna let me get back in the game regardless. Does that make any sense to anyone else? Only exception I can think of is the scaling CDR runes. Am I doing it wrong? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You can also just mix flat and scaling (I do 4 flat 5 scaling on most of my pages iirc) and be set. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Link to the interview I did with e-Sports SQUARE about the Japanese Scene! | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Going to try it out, makes sense in my head. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 09 2014 04:05 Chexx wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/447970-interview-e-sports-square-akihabara Link to the interview I did with e-Sports SQUARE about the Japanese Scene! For a second, my mind thought "Squenix is getting in on esports!?" | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
No idea how it is toplane, your empowered stuff is up more often now so he should be able to sustain decently well, but no more Q on towers and ult jukes so no more splitpush I guess I hope the guy that remade him can remake leesin too | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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