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canikizu
4860 Posts
On April 09 2014 00:00 Ketara wrote: I'd imagine Lulu beats him actually. Ziggs I dunno. It's possible! I can see Renekton winning against Ziggs by all-in and snowball, but if the Ziggs manages to escape couple of the all-in, Renekton will be behind so bad that it's hurt. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On April 09 2014 00:02 Ketara wrote: Aren't we seeing Ryze now? We've seen Aatrox, Ryze, and Kennen. Kennen actually trucked Shyvana to the ground in lane, and I think Flame played Ryze in Champions (or Masters? I can't even distinguish the two anymore). We have seen the Ryze vs Renekton counterpick as well so it's not JUST Trundle/Shyvana/Renekton. Although I think we won't be seeing out of meta picks often since most of the more niche top laners have been eliminated from OGN. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
On April 08 2014 23:55 onlywonderboy wrote: Even if the "Renekton bar" is something they've used in the past, it certainly doesn't hurt to focus on it now. They've nerfed most of the popular Season 4 Top laners (as well as Doran's Shield) and yet they are still getting played over other champions. It's not perfect but it seems like a good starting point. that's true, and my post came out worded more harshly than i meant it to (and who am i to criticize, really?). the balance team clearly is thinking well beyond the basic ideas they state when interacting with the playerbase, and i'm hopeful that the recent top meta marks the nadir of the season | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
Or maybe I should just say f**k it and run both, screw flash | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 09 2014 00:27 GrandInquisitor wrote: I think melee tops who don't have bushes to hide in and don't have any kind of burst suffer greatly in mid. For example, Singed and Trundle come to mind. The issue mostly is with the lack of gap closers while going against a ranged champion with at least one CC. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
- new shyvana tech: botrk shyvana is very strong against mundo and quickly became the standard response - perseverance/spirit visage nerf: listing these together because they had roughly the same effect and i have no idea which came first/am too lazy to look it up. big hit to his splitpushing and overall strength - dorans shield nerf: the final nail in the coffin, and in my opinion (and i really mean my own opinion here, because most would point to the perseverance/spirit visage nerfs) would have been sufficient on its own to knock mundo out of the big 3 (here obviously referring to one piece, naruto, and bleach). mundo's already suspect early game is made even worse | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:22 Ketara wrote: We can all agree that Feral Flare needs to be nerfed, right? TBH I've yet to notice a jungler with Feral Flare and said "wow he's so strong". | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
Mundo was a tad overrated even in his heyday but the various nerfs to his items like Doran's Shield and Spirit Visage just completely shut him down. It's very difficult for him to come out of lane in anything close to a threatening position against, say, Renekton. The only region I still see him a lot is in SEA/GPL. Even LPL ditched Mundo super quickly and they're behind a million patches. Trundle is a slightly overrated pick top ATM, he's much more niche than people currently draft him as. i don't know enough about Aatrox. Ryze is OK but I think he's a bit overrated right now. Like he's still good but he's not a fit-all top laner. Standard hype from something new/exciting (lol Ryze new/exciting) and people want to draft him everywhere. He'll drop off in popularity SoonTM. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On April 08 2014 23:50 Ketara wrote: They're not GOOD picks, but if they go there they don't automatically get destroyed by popular mid laners. Try sending Lux top against Renekton and see what happens. It's not pretty. She'll be all "We can do this!" and you'll be like "No Lux. No, we can't do this." To be fair, Lux isn't a good pick in general. On April 09 2014 00:08 Nos- wrote: We've seen Aatrox, Ryze, and Kennen. Kennen actually trucked Shyvana to the ground in lane, and I think Flame played Ryze in Champions (or Masters? I can't even distinguish the two anymore). We have seen the Ryze vs Renekton counterpick as well so it's not JUST Trundle/Shyvana/Renekton. Although I think we won't be seeing out of meta picks often since most of the more niche top laners have been eliminated from OGN. Shen too. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:22 Alzadar wrote: Am I missing something or is there a reason Kayle isn't in every game yet? The changes did very little to make her less nuts, but completely killed her popularity. TBH I've yet to notice a jungler with Feral Flare and said "wow he's so strong". Who was it on? I had a Yi carry the shit out of one of my games and I saw a tweet from Scarra saying he was getting banned in Challenger games. So he at least seems to do well with it. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: No one plays Singed anyways so it's not like it matters where he goes/what he does :[ Mundo was a tad overrated even in his heyday but the various nerfs to his items like Doran's Shield and Spirit Visage just completely shut him down. It's very difficult for him to come out of lane in anything close to a threatening position against, say, Renekton. The only region I still see him a lot is in SEA/GPL. Even LPL ditched Mundo super quickly and they're behind a million patches. Trundle is a slightly overrated pick top ATM, he's much more niche than people currently draft him as. i don't know enough about Aatrox. Ryze is OK but I think he's a bit overrated right now. Like he's still good but he's not a fit-all top laner. Standard hype from something new/exciting (lol Ryze new/exciting) and people want to draft him everywhere. He'll drop off in popularity SoonTM. My impression is that, at least from what streamers say, the excitement in around ryze at the challenger level is because he reliably beats Renekton, not that he is a broadly useful pick. As for Aatrox, the biggest nerf he got was the gold reduction on first blood. At his height of popularity Aatrox was a pretty average jungler but his super early dive potential was huge because of his passive and before the snowball nerfs the correlation between first blood and victory was much stronger. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I feel they need to nerf its damage as well as the # of stacks required for transformation. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:22 Ketara wrote: We can all agree that Feral Flare needs to be nerfed, right? Pretty much. I ban Yi now, sort of tempted to ban Nocturne. But Nocturne as a champion is weak enough I don't think it makes that big of a difference for him. | ||
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