EPT[Patch 4.5] Rune Rework General Discussion - Page 11
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:57 arb wrote: Wonder if Flare will be better on Vi than lizard, i guess you'll be trading damage off for getting rid of the mana/health sustain? which with ehr shield i dont guess you'll need anyway That would require her to farm and not gank, which is where she's pretty stronk. I don't think the farm damage is worth the lanes not getting her ult as often. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:59 Requizen wrote: That would require her to farm and not gank, which is where she's pretty stronk. I don't think the farm damage is worth the lanes not getting her ult as often. Well with the nerf on her ult, you can still have time to do some farming while charging it up, plus the attackspeed is pretty good with her W | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 04 2014 02:01 cLutZ wrote: I think the flare vs lizard debate is just exposing the folly of jungle items as an idea. The jungle items are great. It solved a lot of the problems with laners taxing the jungle, and hugely diversified junglers. The current symptoms of single target carry junglers running amok are due to lizard being overtuned and (like Yango suggested) the Wright camp. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
While that item is different from Lizard and a lot of current junglers can't make use of it, for those carry junglers who can make use of it, that item is way too good for now. | ||
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kongoline
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On April 04 2014 02:16 arb wrote: Shouldnt buying scaling armor yellows mean with the base armor buff you overtake flat yellows @ lvl 4 onward? You overtake pre rework flat yellows from level 4 onwards, but post rework flat yellows at level 9 (I think?). You can't just compare it to the old values. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:59 Requizen wrote: That would require her to farm and not gank, which is where she's pretty stronk. I don't think the farm damage is worth the lanes not getting her ult as often. As long as she has mana, she farms pretty fast (Q and maybe one E wrecks little monsters, and her W lets her clean up quite nicely), which is why my concern was the lack of mana. You lack damage compared to lizard upon completion obv., and you also sacrifice a source of CDR while it's very good for her Q (and to a lesser extent ult), but it looks like in terms of dps it can overtake lizard very fast for her, especially for soloing drake and shit. I think it's mostly going to depend on the flow of the game (purchase timing) and also how mana intensive she'll end up being. In terms of clear speed I'm pretty sure it's better in a vacuum because Lizard has been nerfed to 20% bonus monster damage and the AS is more important for her killing big monsters. When I get the time to play I'll hop into team builder to try Flare Vi. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 04 2014 03:00 Alaric wrote: As long as she has mana, she farms pretty fast (Q and maybe one E wrecks little monsters, and her W lets her clean up quite nicely), which is why my concern was the lack of mana. You lack damage compared to lizard upon completion obv., and you also sacrifice a source of CDR while it's very good for her Q (and to a lesser extent ult), but it looks like in terms of dps it can overtake lizard very fast for her, especially for soloing drake and shit. I think it's mostly going to depend on the flow of the game (purchase timing) and also how mana intensive she'll end up being. In terms of clear speed I'm pretty sure it's better in a vacuum because Lizard has been nerfed to 20% bonus monster damage and the AS is more important for her killing big monsters. When I get the time to play I'll hop into team builder to try Flare Vi. I think attack speed is really good on her, this also offers AD and a wits end like proc which isnt bad either. The CDR hurts though, but damage wise i th ink it should end up being alot better on her tbh. more attacks means more denting blows procs which means more damage overall | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:57 arb wrote: Wonder if Flare will be better on Vi than lizard, i guess you'll be trading damage off for getting rid of the mana/health sustain? which with ehr shield i dont guess you'll need anyway Idk I never really thought Vi was that amazing as a powerfarmer. She just needs too use too much mana and cooldowns neither of which Fearal Flare provides. Like yes she CAN destroy camps very quickly (on par with anyone) but the issue has always been the mana/e charge c/d. Where using an example like Nocturne that does it with just his Q. Shyv and others can do it with just cooldowns. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Which is why the timing at which you can get items and be strong enough to make stuff happen is an important part. ^ Vi doesn't need cooldowns to farm, only a Q and maybe an E per camp is enough to clear decently fast, and even E's base cooldown is almost enough for that (esp. since you don't need to use it on wraiths past some point). Mana expanditures on the other hand... | ||
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 04 2014 03:20 Wolfstan wrote: Can't wait to see diamondprox break out the shyvanna jungle again. Feral flare seems tailor made for her after introducing the machete gave her no viable itemization in the jungle. Build in ward to put deep for counterjungling, AS=CDR on her, able to use extra gold income for her good scaling and picking up stacks from both jungles. Is it really enough to bring her back to jungle over top lane tho? | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 04 2014 03:21 Requizen wrote: Is it really enough to bring her back to jungle over top lane tho? To me she seems like the best fit for the item, but damn is she good in top lane, sort of wonder the same thing you do. Her pre-6 is so meh which does not help in the early gank heavy jungle atm. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 04 2014 03:23 Diamond wrote: To me she seems like the best fit for the item, but damn is she good in top lane, sort of wonder the same thing you do. Her pre-6 is so meh which does not help in the early gank heavy jungle atm. it allows her to be flex pick though. can first pick shyv, and still have option of picking something like renekton top. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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