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On March 21 2014 12:14 FinestHour wrote:
it literally gives me terminal cancer when i see people go to lane after their first back with a sheen
its like what the fuck do you think is going to happen to you with that item

On March 21 2014 12:49 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Sheen works best when you have some damage for it to amplify. Your first item should not be a sheen. If you're building TF then get phage. You want mana? Get a glacial shroud or tear. Sheen is the worse of both worlds.

On March 21 2014 12:44 Nemireck wrote:


In my opinion no, because they've lowered the mana cost and CD on Q as well. You're getting almost 1.5 Q's for the price of 1, with a pretty minor damage "nerf" to compensate. I think Q is still your priority skill. The 2nd hit is an outright buff. And I think the first hit breaks even in early game. (I haven't done the math, just quick estimates in my head) I want that CD as low as possible so I can use it and abuse it.

On the other hand, W has been significantly weakened in the early game, and it's damage doesn't increase with level, only the attack speed. From my point of view playing MF, you want your Auto-Q-Auto to be your main damage source, and the attack speed buff from W after that combo is just icing on the cake. With Q on a lower cool down, and that W doesn't increase it's damage output per level, my goal would be 2 A-Q-A hits in a combo of spells... A-Q-A-W-E-Autos-A-Q-A would be the ideal full rotation on a target. Getting that second Q in is more important than some attack speed.

E is bad, don't use E*

*Obviously use to slow targets... duh.

EDIT: While I was reading my post it occurred to me that E's slow might be significant enough a buff to prioritize it over W as well, making W your lowest priority skill... Interested to see what other people think of the increased slow at the cost of attack speed.

On March 21 2014 14:56 krndandaman wrote:
I remember I always went sheen first vs yorick as nasus.
It allows you to 1 shot his ghouls lol. and it counts as a stack

dunno if thats still how you play the matchup though.

On March 21 2014 14:04 phyvo wrote:


It's not an outright buff. Second hit does almost as much damage on before, yes. Lower CD is pretty crazy. Overall you have slightly higher DPS if you're spamming it and higher mana efficiency that both get comparatively better as you get more your bonus damage... so it's much less bursty in lane unless it's the second hit.



I honestly have no idea. I think Q will still be leveled first. Keep in mind that E slow was increased by just 13%. Being able to clear waves with it is pretty amazing but for a skill leveled second I think the higher AS will be more important, by the time you finish ranking your second skill you're pretty late in the game and you want to give your items every chance they have to shine.

On March 21 2014 16:09 Gahlo wrote:

I have. It's called the "I gotta do the damages, yo" crowd.

On March 21 2014 13:03 sob3k wrote:


What do you mean damage for it to amplify? Sheen proc is 100% base AD.