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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 19 2014 02:11 GMT
#401
On March 19 2014 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 10:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like how they just completely ignored and took a dump on AP sion and a host of other champs but give special treatment to some randomly. This lich bane thing was so poorly thought out by them, what a mess

They want to remove AP sion from the game anyway, so no point crying about that. They won't care.

What about Akali? The lichbane changes far more problematic than just nerfing lulu.


I still don't understand the few people who are so anti-Lulu. She is the only midlaner that has been viable in pro play that has more utility than Orianna since the last time Lulu was blatantly overpowered (or release/super op zyra, whichever was more recent).

On the other hand, Riot nerfs lichbane because they dont have confidence in their ability to balance lichbane...and we are mad?
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 02:15:32
March 19 2014 02:14 GMT
#402
That Rumble VO... so full of "calling your attacks" and over the top stuff. x) They sure had fun on that one.

Also sounds like as with Heimerdinger and Neo Strike Vi, using a taunt or joke will switch something, since he's got snippets coming "from inside" the suit, and others being just his voice.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 19 2014 02:17 GMT
#403
On March 19 2014 11:14 Alaric wrote:
That Rumble VO... so full of "calling your attacks" and over the top stuff. x) They sure had fun on that one.

Also sounds like as with Heimerdinger and Neo Strike Vi, using a taunt or joke will switch something, since he's got snippets coming "from inside" the suit, and others being just his voice.


You know that is by design, right? Have you watched TTGL before?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 19 2014 02:22 GMT
#404
I wasn't criticising it. Just being amused since they took the over-the-topness of the Japanese over the usually tamed translations, so you get the full ridiculousness.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 19 2014 02:39 GMT
#405
On March 19 2014 11:22 Alaric wrote:
I wasn't criticising it. Just being amused since they took the over-the-topness of the Japanese over the usually tamed translations, so you get the full ridiculousness.

This is the "Super Galaxy" transformation sequence:
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 19 2014 02:40 GMT
#406
On March 19 2014 11:11 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 10:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like how they just completely ignored and took a dump on AP sion and a host of other champs but give special treatment to some randomly. This lich bane thing was so poorly thought out by them, what a mess

They want to remove AP sion from the game anyway, so no point crying about that. They won't care.

What about Akali? The lichbane changes far more problematic than just nerfing lulu.


I still don't understand the few people who are so anti-Lulu. She is the only midlaner that has been viable in pro play that has more utility than Orianna since the last time Lulu was blatantly overpowered (or release/super op zyra, whichever was more recent).

On the other hand, Riot nerfs lichbane because they dont have confidence in their ability to balance lichbane...and we are mad?

It has nothing to do with being anti-lulu, it has to do with toning her down.
Currently she has the damage of a full carry, and more utility than Ori.
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 19 2014 02:55 GMT
#407
https://www.youtube.com/user/SkinSpotlights

Also shows Void Fizz and Atlantean Syndra. Void Fizz looks pretty rad, tbh
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 19 2014 03:16 GMT
#408
On March 19 2014 11:11 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 10:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like how they just completely ignored and took a dump on AP sion and a host of other champs but give special treatment to some randomly. This lich bane thing was so poorly thought out by them, what a mess

They want to remove AP sion from the game anyway, so no point crying about that. They won't care.

What about Akali? The lichbane changes far more problematic than just nerfing lulu.


I still don't understand the few people who are so anti-Lulu. She is the only midlaner that has been viable in pro play that has more utility than Orianna since the last time Lulu was blatantly overpowered (or release/super op zyra, whichever was more recent).

On the other hand, Riot nerfs lichbane because they dont have confidence in their ability to balance lichbane...and we are mad?

basically what wei2coolman said. I like seeing Lulu mid, it's pretty neat and a nice break from all the assassins we've been having. The problem is that she has just ridiculous lane presence against most other laners, silly amounts of burst that's really hard to avoid, AND she has an arguably better version of Kayle ulti.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
March 19 2014 03:28 GMT
#409
Lulu mid is stupid. Stupid movespeed to dodge skillshots, stupid poke range, stupidly low mana costs, stupid surviveability.

It can go diaf as far as I'm concerned, that shit is 0 fun to play against.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 19 2014 03:29 GMT
#410
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 19 2014 03:36 GMT
#411
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.
liftlift > tsm
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 19 2014 03:36 GMT
#412
I'm just waiting for S@20 for more accurate notes on the Rengar changes. 0.5 second cd on an auto attack reset? really? lol
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 19 2014 03:37 GMT
#413
On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.


How many top laners have a worse late game than him though?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 19 2014 03:41 GMT
#414
On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.

his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 19 2014 03:41 GMT
#415
On March 19 2014 12:36 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'm just waiting for S@20 for more accurate notes on the Rengar changes. 0.5 second cd on an auto attack reset? really? lol


Was just on the PBE, it's 6 seconds that goes down to 4.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 03:51:45
March 19 2014 03:50 GMT
#416
So does garen do well against nasus? I just played a game and it was pretty much us both freefarming in lane (which favors nasus' stacking) but he was completely useless in teamfights because i would just tell people to focus him down quick and nuke him with R. He died too quickly to do anything, although he was pretty bad and just played PvE all game :|

My jungler made me laugh tho "omg nasus 300 stacks cos garen pushes lane and lets him freefarm" - this is after we towerdived him with EASE at like level 8. Just come top and do it again and again?
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 19 2014 03:53 GMT
#417
Equal item Renekton is why he's considered bad late game. But if you don't come out ahead of early game as Renekton, you're obv doing it wrong.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 03:57:30
March 19 2014 03:56 GMT
#418
On March 19 2014 12:41 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.

his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales

garen :D I wouldn't say Renek outscales Darius, but neither are all that scary lategame usually.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 04:09:50
March 19 2014 04:08 GMT
#419
On March 19 2014 12:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 11:11 cLutZ wrote:
On March 19 2014 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 10:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like how they just completely ignored and took a dump on AP sion and a host of other champs but give special treatment to some randomly. This lich bane thing was so poorly thought out by them, what a mess

They want to remove AP sion from the game anyway, so no point crying about that. They won't care.

What about Akali? The lichbane changes far more problematic than just nerfing lulu.


I still don't understand the few people who are so anti-Lulu. She is the only midlaner that has been viable in pro play that has more utility than Orianna since the last time Lulu was blatantly overpowered (or release/super op zyra, whichever was more recent).

On the other hand, Riot nerfs lichbane because they dont have confidence in their ability to balance lichbane...and we are mad?

basically what wei2coolman said. I like seeing Lulu mid, it's pretty neat and a nice break from all the assassins we've been having. The problem is that she has just ridiculous lane presence against most other laners, silly amounts of burst that's really hard to avoid, AND she has an arguably better version of Kayle ulti.


I know I'm fairly biased here because I want to preserve what is left of Lulu support. The question I guess is, without gutting support Lulu, how do you put Mid Lulu in the proper place to have a Utility-For-Damage tradeoff? Easiest way is to hit Lichbane since support Lulu isn't buying that, and they probably want to keep AP scaling utility because that was part of the S4 promise (one most support players probably still suspect they will go back on). Theoretically they tried reverting some base value nerfs they gave her, and didn't like that either, or they were totally baffled by mid Lulu to begin with and still really don't understand why its strong (hint, lategame sustained damage is too weak). So they said, "Aha, we nerf Lichbane, which is a pesky item that we can't really make fit into this game properly anyways (which is true based on how they want the game to have smooth power curves that they can fine tune)."

I mean, Im rarely the Riot defender when it comes to these things, but this at least makes sense.

On March 19 2014 12:41 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.

his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales


I guess, Elise & Maybe Darius are good examples. The better question would probably be, "At what point does he get outscaled, assuming he beat you by X amount earlygame." Where X is the amount that a good Renekton player playing with a competent team would be ahead of a good enemy toplaner with a competent team.

On March 19 2014 12:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
Equal item Renekton is why he's considered bad late game. But if you don't come out ahead of early game as Renekton, you're obv doing it wrong.

^^
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 19 2014 04:25 GMT
#420
On March 19 2014 12:41 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.

his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales

It has nothing to do with outscaling, it has to do if he's relevant in the game. At no point in the game does he ever become irrelevant
liftlift > tsm
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