[Patch 4.2] Xerath/Skarner General Discussion - Page 22

On February 12 2014 14:24 gtrsrs wrote:
skarner kinda blows now

On February 12 2014 04:56 Celial wrote:
Hey, I'm looking for new jungler to spam but just don't know which champion...

I want a champ that has the option to both hardcarry and be a tank (not at the same time, mind you). It needs to be outside of the current fotm meta though, I know that Vi would fit exactly that description but she is either banned or picked every game. I also want to be able to either outright beat or safely escape popular junglers. I prefer a more farm heavy playstyle, but want decent ganks (so Shyvana is out).

I played a lot of Olaf recently, but I feel that while I can stay a (minor) threat in lategame with true damage, I really cannot pick up a struggling team on my back and carry it. Even if I do VERY well for myself. Pantheon, Vi, Wukong, Khazix, Elise, Olaf... etc all FOTM that I don't want to play. I like to play champions that are very rarely popular but still insanely strong (and do well even when behind), just like my favorite support Karma. Any ideas?

On February 12 2014 06:10 Celial wrote:
Yeah but I'm by far not good enough at the game to switch seamlessly between different champions and perform well. Also, I mostly play duo queue nowadays as Karma support with my ADC buddy, so I don't get much practice in on jungle either. I like to focus on a single champion, so I get decent with it. It hurts when that champ is FOTM and banned or picked away from me all the time.

Nocturne sounds like a nice idea though. Will give Nocturne and Jarvan a try. Thanks guys <3

On February 12 2014 16:13 JazzVortical wrote:

After playing him in a bot game, I actually think that's a decent possibility. Long range slow to set up stun for decent ganks. Plus the potential change removing the AoE sustain (but lower percentage) hit for spirit items would help a lot. Kites camps well to avoid damage too.

I'm pleasantly surprised after playing him, but he does feel quite a bit more 'same-y'. Sorta just feels like a lot of other champs. Having only R being his siege mode really affected his identity IMO. Plus he still blows people up from fog of war, which was supposedly one reason for changing him.

It's funny too, one of the criticisms of Xerath when the rework first started was that his abilities looked and sounded underwhelming, leading to an underwhelming experience. His ult still has that problem.

On February 12 2014 17:33 SagaZ wrote:
Usually if you're not as effective as the enemy jungler it's because he is a better player, not because of your champion pick.
fotm and stuff only start to matter when you play at very high level

On February 12 2014 17:10 wei2coolman wrote:
I play whatever I want to play in jungle. I know that I won't be as effective as the enemy jungler who's playing FotM,

so why can't celial play what he wants in jungle? even if it isn't FOTM? why couldn't you have made your hecarim suggestion before calling his question silly?

Also, in regards to dae being d1 player and playing jungle Darius, there are always going to be examples of d1 players with funky choices that they brute force in solo queue, and force it to work. Like the challenger dude playing only Veigar, and so on. Would I go around suggesting Veigar as a midlane champ for players looking for a new champ to win with? nope.

maybe dae is the only player capable of making Darius work in jungle at a high level. or maybe celial could use dae's knowledge and possibly make him work at his lower level? HUGE MAYBE I KNOW RIGHT.

I'd 100% suggest veigar to someone if their criteria was an ap champ that can one shot other ap champs or squishies. he wouldn't be my only suggestion, or even the best one, but I'd still suggest him.

Or maybe I should suggest Karthus jungle? I mean, you just farm all day, and press R for counter ganks. I mean, come on, Azingy plays it! Totally great suggestion.

if jungle karthus fit his criteria then hell yes I'd suggest it. but he wasn't looking for an ap jungler who clears well... and I dunno - presses r for counter ganks. I actually don't know what criteria he fits because he's an obscure jungler.

ps you comparing jungle Darius to jungle karthus is laughable.

Also, I don't get how J4/Darius/Sej/Aatrox, fit into those citeria, even though he may of been satisfied with that answer.

what don't you get? care to explain?

Sej slow clear throughout, only good thing is solid post 6 ganks.
Even in terms of damage output, you could just play Amumu instead, which offer better farm/clear, and his duality in his kit is better (building tanky or building damage), than sej. But the only reason he'd avoid it is cuz "it might be banned", or it's "too popular"

just because amumu is better (in your opinion) does not mean sejuani doesn't fit the criteria. it was also mentioned that while sejuani has a slow first clear, after that her non wight clear is good enough. not to mention the sheer cc she brings to the table.

On February 12 2014 18:17 wei2coolman wrote:

It puts you in a disadvantage.

On February 12 2014 11:40 cLutZ wrote:

Well that need not be true. For starters they could boost his uptime on w so he can be in turret mode more often. They could compensate him more lategame with a better base as so he scales more ridiculously with items, etc.

Jinx and kog both can be good if they are allowed to have different peaks.

On February 12 2014 14:34 arb wrote:

are we using hyper carry to describe people who get fed and carry now?

On February 12 2014 14:57 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
xerath new ult is such bullshit, there is no window at all to react to it, i was orianna with ms quints, sorc boots, and w boost and i still couldn't run out of the circle in time

On February 12 2014 13:39 Dusty wrote:
Has anyone been having trouble with Vi's Q? Whenever I try to charge it up sometimes the Q will just go off randomly, I'm not sure if I'm just doing something wrong or it's a bug.

On February 12 2014 18:21 JonGalt wrote:


and yet you're totally fine with it.

so why wouldn't someone who EXPLICITLY states they don't want to play FOTM junglers MAYBE POSSIBLY be ok with it as well? especially someone who already said they play karma support.

On February 12 2014 18:47 Alaric wrote:
Maybe a 25-0 dude up 6 or so levels on people with a fully stacked SotO. I mean, at this stage the important part is that he's got some kind of spammable ranged ability (in this case Q-powered autos) for the zoning.

On February 12 2014 18:22 Alaric wrote:
Only Sejuani's first clear is a tad slow (and even then, it's "a tad", it's nothing unplayable or atrocious like Rammus' for example), after that she's actually pretty fast, nop racecar fast like Shyvana but still tier A, and her passive makes her way stronger at fighting than other non-dueling junglers (obv. if you let Lee get a QaaQ on you, or Vi a full charge QautoE before you even start hitting thm it's your problem).

New spirit stone makes it so I have to actually manage my mana with Vi instead of Qing around when I'm not killing camps, even mid/late game. :<
Gotta teach me to keep these conservation stacks down.


Only Draven, Twitch and Kennen have more base AS than him (and Draven only wants enough AS to be able to juggle 2 axes tbh).


More like a dude with a 85% AD increase on his autos post-9 as long as he has axes (it's the same as stacking non-IE crit until 85%). There's not much to buff his damage further apart from making it scale multiplicatively with crit (ohgodno). He probably can't fight 5 people at once if you're implying it in that sense, but at a high-level he can 1v2 or 1v3 with kiting and it's quite significant in LoL.


You don't have to try and run out of the circle-unless you were talking about the projectile's circle and not the ult range's circle?


Eh, she's bugged. I've been displaced out of the ult several times (I mean as Vi, not a the target), and her Q still sometimes fizzles (more rarely than before, though), or freezes and you can't release it or cancel or auto or anything, and the worst of all is the hitbox. Like Nautilus, if you're anywhere close to her when she starts dashing, you're going to count as being hit and it'll stop her. Want to stop a Vi from running away? Flash to her with the good timing. Doesn't matter if you're on top, in front, behind her or to the side, she'll stop dead in her tracks because the hitbox doesn't seem to match her fist at all (at least during the start of the dash).