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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 10:38:58
February 22 2014 10:38 GMT
#2101
my most played champ this season is lb, so i have some experience with her. W max leblanc is definitely better for pros, since you can farm a lot more easily and it's also safer. Q max leblanc has higher burst though, because when you consume that mark or w/e the damage output is a lot greater. I'm pretty sure nobody in the pro scene would ever play max Q lb though, it's just a lot more risky and playing consistently is better than playing snowbally (like in solo queue)
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
February 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#2102
you dont have to max w, going 1-3-1>then maxing q or 2-2-1>q max
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 22 2014 10:48 GMT
#2103
On February 22 2014 19:43 aurawashere wrote:
you dont have to max w, going 1-3-1>then maxing q or 2-2-1>q max

well i mean, standard skill order for max w lb still gets 2 points in Q early, at least from what i've seen from bjergsen. Generally my skill order atm is W->Q->E->Q->W->R and then max W from there.
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 10:58:34
February 22 2014 10:58 GMT
#2104
Ok..should i be using smartcast? Ive tried it and i really fking hate it, should i be forcing myself to use it because its 100 gazillion % more optimal or is it just preferential with a slight difference?

Been playing league for like 3 years without smartcast..its kinda hard to swap
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
February 22 2014 11:08 GMT
#2105
On February 22 2014 19:58 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok..should i be using smartcast? Ive tried it and i really fking hate it, should i be forcing myself to use it because its 100 gazillion % more optimal or is it just preferential with a slight difference?

Been playing league for like 3 years without smartcast..its kinda hard to swap

Do it.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
February 22 2014 11:08 GMT
#2106
the best players use a mixture of both smart/quickcast usually.

you don't have to use smartcast if you don't want to.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 22 2014 11:09 GMT
#2107
i've seen vayneauthority carry a game as support warwick back in either pre S3 or S2, it was a 2k elo ish game iirc.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
February 22 2014 11:11 GMT
#2108
anything can win a game once, do it all the time and have a 55+ % winrate over multiple games

otherwise its just a random statement
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
February 22 2014 11:13 GMT
#2109
On February 22 2014 19:58 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok..should i be using smartcast? Ive tried it and i really fking hate it, should i be forcing myself to use it because its 100 gazillion % more optimal or is it just preferential with a slight difference?

Been playing league for like 3 years without smartcast..its kinda hard to swap

Isn't smartcast buggy with certain skillshots like Ashe volley. That shit is annoying - there's a massive delay on the skillclick and when it actually triggers so that you often shoot the wrong way when kiting or animation-cancelling.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
February 22 2014 11:15 GMT
#2110
On February 22 2014 20:13 1ntrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 19:58 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok..should i be using smartcast? Ive tried it and i really fking hate it, should i be forcing myself to use it because its 100 gazillion % more optimal or is it just preferential with a slight difference?

Been playing league for like 3 years without smartcast..its kinda hard to swap

Isn't smartcast buggy with certain skillshots like Ashe volley. That shit is annoying - there's a massive delay on the skillclick and when it actually triggers so that you often shoot the wrong way when kiting or animation-cancelling.

That only happens when people fuck up and try to do two things at one time.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
February 22 2014 11:23 GMT
#2111
--- Nuked ---
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 22 2014 11:24 GMT
#2112
sorry i just wanted to stir up an argument i missed
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
February 22 2014 11:37 GMT
#2113
On February 22 2014 18:10 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 15:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Trundle at face value has much more support potential

Passive heal, a slow/terrain block, an AD debuff and decent sustained damage if he can stick


I'm sorry but what????

AoE attack speed buff, percent dmg ranged, free vision at a large radius and a suppress. EVERYTHING sounds good if you just post what they do. Come on man, if I had a choice between two subpar supports, I'd take WW any day over Trundle.

But I apologize for necro-ing the idea from the dead. (I'd actually like to try it one game though if I ever get to play this game anytime soon =\ PvP randomly dc's me for like 3-5 seconds every 20 mins or so. I suspect it's Time Warner shenanigans but I can't ever prove it and I call them a million times already complaining about how my ISP drops randomly every 20-30 minutes but it's really hard to prove because who stays on the phone to monitor for that long straight??)


you know an idea is bad when you have KissBlade knocking it =D
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
February 22 2014 11:38 GMT
#2114
On February 22 2014 19:58 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok..should i be using smartcast? Ive tried it and i really fking hate it, should i be forcing myself to use it because its 100 gazillion % more optimal or is it just preferential with a slight difference?

Been playing league for like 3 years without smartcast..its kinda hard to swap


You'll get used to it, and when you do, you won't want to switch back.

Yea, you'll do badly for a few games probably, but it's worth it. Smartcast really is better.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
February 22 2014 12:05 GMT
#2115
Don't believe smartcast acolytes, just use what works better for you. My friend doesn't switch anything to smartcast and just holds shift when he wants to do it. I only turn smartcasts on particular spells (blinks, knockbacks, Ryze) and that works much better for me than using it for skillshots because "all good players do it" (hint: not all).
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 22 2014 12:11 GMT
#2116
The only skill I can't smartcast for the life of me is Veigar's event horizon stun. I think every other skill is smart castable
Platinum Support GOD
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 22 2014 12:20 GMT
#2117
I do it the hard way, and smartcast everything, and then ctrl+X>click whenever I want to dumbcast. Took a while to get used to, but now I do it all the time. Almost always smartcast, but sometimes you want that pixel perfect edge of range trundle pillar, or a small gap EZ Q. Stuff like that.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
February 22 2014 13:03 GMT
#2118
Alright..thanks for the opinions, i guess when i get some free time i'll spam smartcast ARAM/3's/HEXAKILL to get used to it.

Am i reading wrong or are people saying its possible to have certain champions / skills on smartcast as opposed to it all? This seems like it would be good.
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 22 2014 13:15 GMT
#2119
It's not champion/skill specific, it's just you going into the options when the game starts and reassigning keys. I used to do that before switching to smartcast for Death Ray, switching E between smartcast and dumbcast when playing Viktor.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
February 22 2014 13:17 GMT
#2120
On February 22 2014 21:05 AlterKot wrote:
Don't believe smartcast acolytes, just use what works better for you. My friend doesn't switch anything to smartcast and just holds shift when he wants to do it. I only turn smartcasts on particular spells (blinks, knockbacks, Ryze) and that works much better for me than using it for skillshots because "all good players do it" (hint: not all).


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