• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:42
CET 03:42
KST 11:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!41$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship6[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 968 users

[Patch 3.15] Yasuo General Discussion - Page 186

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 184 185 186 187 188 224 Next
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 21:59:38
January 08 2014 21:59 GMT
#3701
On January 09 2014 06:49 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On January 09 2014 06:31 AsnSensation wrote:
Riding the OGN hype i played my first vayne game in 3months vs leona/lucian lane, needless to say I wasn't piglet lolz.

Vayne sucks in the current bot lane meta. No way she's surviving against current picks and duo lanes

And a month or two ago people were angsting over her being broken. Still has one of the lowest winrates.
On January 09 2014 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
XMITHIE ADC
ZUNA JUNGLER CONFIRMED!

They finally announced it. Jeez that took awhile.


Vayne is perfectly fine in bot lane meta.Especially with annie bans being so common you can pick her safely at least half the time.

Entirely disagree. Despite the Lucian and Sivir nerfs, they still dumpster Vayne (Lucian at least can't nearly1v2 the early lane anymore, but it's still pretty bad), and even if you ban Annie (huh, haven't seen those) there's still Leona and Thresh for kill lane/lockdown, and good poke duos will keep her from going anywhere.

That and Jinx is a better late game hyper(ish) carry, who's also much more in favor right now (and doesn't currently autolose most lanes).
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
January 08 2014 22:00 GMT
#3702
On January 09 2014 06:49 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On January 09 2014 06:31 AsnSensation wrote:
Riding the OGN hype i played my first vayne game in 3months vs leona/lucian lane, needless to say I wasn't piglet lolz.

Vayne sucks in the current bot lane meta. No way she's surviving against current picks and duo lanes

And a month or two ago people were angsting over her being broken. Still has one of the lowest winrates.
On January 09 2014 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
XMITHIE ADC
ZUNA JUNGLER CONFIRMED!

They finally announced it. Jeez that took awhile.


Vayne is perfectly fine in bot lane meta.Especially with annie bans being so common you can pick her safely at least half the time.


Who do you pick her against though? Jinx, Sivir, Lucian, Cait seem too common for that.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 08 2014 22:03 GMT
#3703
On January 09 2014 07:00 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 06:49 nafta wrote:
On January 09 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On January 09 2014 06:31 AsnSensation wrote:
Riding the OGN hype i played my first vayne game in 3months vs leona/lucian lane, needless to say I wasn't piglet lolz.

Vayne sucks in the current bot lane meta. No way she's surviving against current picks and duo lanes

And a month or two ago people were angsting over her being broken. Still has one of the lowest winrates.
On January 09 2014 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
XMITHIE ADC
ZUNA JUNGLER CONFIRMED!

They finally announced it. Jeez that took awhile.


Vayne is perfectly fine in bot lane meta.Especially with annie bans being so common you can pick her safely at least half the time.


Who do you pick her against though? Jinx, Sivir, Lucian, Cait seem too common for that.

Everyone but cait+some supports.Ad picks don't matter the problems come from supports.If they are leona/thresh/blitz+any ad I'd pick vayne and it is pretty safe.Of course vayne is more reliant on support than some other adc but it is still ok.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 22:06:20
January 08 2014 22:05 GMT
#3704
--- Nuked ---
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 22:07:28
January 08 2014 22:07 GMT
#3705
ESEX strikes again!
http://esportsexpress.com/2014/01/curse-of-saintvicious-claims-yet-another-clg-jungler/

I guess that explains his affinity for Karthus jungle.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 08 2014 22:16 GMT
#3706
http://www.team-dignitas.org/articles/news/League-of-Legends/4448/Team-Dignitas-LoL-to-attend-IEM-Sao-Paulo/
Dignitas to IEM sao paulo
Glorious SEA doto
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
January 08 2014 22:43 GMT
#3707
For all of you people who play a lot of bottom lane, is there a handy table/graph/something that tells someone about which ADC counters which ADC or which Support counters which Support? Something like that would be useful for me as I don't play bottom lane much and I don't want to be responsible for a complete disaster for when I do play it.

If there isn't a resource like that then that's cool.

That being said, even though there may be counters in bottom lane, isn't experience with bottom lane champions much more important? Like, if I don't know the match ups very well for bottom lane then I shouldn't worry about it.

And on the same vein, are there any "safe" supports? Like supports that can do well in any situation?

Thanks!
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 08 2014 22:51 GMT
#3708
On January 09 2014 07:43 Frudgey wrote:
For all of you people who play a lot of bottom lane, is there a handy table/graph/something that tells someone about which ADC counters which ADC or which Support counters which Support? Something like that would be useful for me as I don't play bottom lane much and I don't want to be responsible for a complete disaster for when I do play it.

If there isn't a resource like that then that's cool.

That being said, even though there may be counters in bottom lane, isn't experience with bottom lane champions much more important? Like, if I don't know the match ups very well for bottom lane then I shouldn't worry about it.

And on the same vein, are there any "safe" supports? Like supports that can do well in any situation?

Thanks!

Spellsy has done a bunch of basic support quick guides or charts that does a decent view of support+adc, suport vs adc, and support v support. However, by the time of his recent S4 post he didn't have enough time to re-examine the matchups, but the the ones from the S3 one should still be valid.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 08 2014 22:54 GMT
#3709
Synergies tend to work in the form of "poke" vs "engage". All else being equal, Graves works better with Taric whereas Caitlyn works better with Sona. If Taric stuns someone, Graves can unload onto them while Caitlyn can only just continue to poke. Caitlyn wants to maintain lane dominance and harass the opponent out of lane; Sona is excellent at that while Taric can only just hang around and can't contribute.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
January 08 2014 23:00 GMT
#3710
On January 09 2014 07:43 Frudgey wrote:
For all of you people who play a lot of bottom lane, is there a handy table/graph/something that tells someone about which ADC counters which ADC or which Support counters which Support? Something like that would be useful for me as I don't play bottom lane much and I don't want to be responsible for a complete disaster for when I do play it.

If there isn't a resource like that then that's cool.

That being said, even though there may be counters in bottom lane, isn't experience with bottom lane champions much more important? Like, if I don't know the match ups very well for bottom lane then I shouldn't worry about it.

And on the same vein, are there any "safe" supports? Like supports that can do well in any situation?

Thanks!

Your own experience does matter to an extent. I don't really think any of the counters are that hard that they override experience and ability, but obviously by the nature of certain kits, some champs are just better vs others. eg. Morgana trashes Leona because she wrecks all her engages.

In some cases, I think it is more that the Support counters the ADC too. Eg. I pick Nami into Draven everytime. "Boy I wish I had something to help land my hard to land skillshot... What's that? There's a glowing circle on the ground where you're going to be? Awesome"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 08 2014 23:07 GMT
#3711
On January 09 2014 07:05 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 06:15 HazMat wrote:
Doing an AMA if anyone wants to make an obscure TL reference. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1uqncs/hi_im_shakedrizzle_and_i_make_montages_ama/


wait, ur shakedrizzle? mind blown

yes, hi
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 08 2014 23:09 GMT
#3712
On January 09 2014 08:07 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 07:05 krndandaman wrote:
On January 09 2014 06:15 HazMat wrote:
Doing an AMA if anyone wants to make an obscure TL reference. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1uqncs/hi_im_shakedrizzle_and_i_make_montages_ama/


wait, ur shakedrizzle? mind blown

yes, hi

Wait, you're HazMat? Omg I though you were just some scrub named Shakedrizzle who made videos.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 08 2014 23:44 GMT
#3713
So according to Nick Allen's twitter Lemondogs " failed to submit satisfactory paperwork and will be removed from the EU LCS." So that's a thing.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 08 2014 23:47 GMT
#3714
holy shit how can they be so incompetent Nick Allen released the Riot statement 24 hours ago, so I assume LD knew even beforehand and they still didn't file their stuff in in time?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21949 Posts
January 08 2014 23:50 GMT
#3715
I assume there is a reason for it. Aka LD doesnt have a team atm. Not like they wouldnt submit if they had one.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 08 2014 23:51 GMT
#3716
Pretty damn incompetent from the looks of things. On the upside, maybe a more deserving team will get the spot. I'd of embedded the tweet but I have no idea how to do all them fancy forum things.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
January 09 2014 00:02 GMT
#3717
Here it is
Steam: rook492
Anggroth
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom345 Posts
January 09 2014 00:12 GMT
#3718
Wow, NiP is gonna be working their arses off to try and get that last spot, after their abysmal showing at the promotion tournament this is a chance for redemption.

Can't say I'm upset about LD being out, the team that showed up for BotA was lackluster to say the least and would have basically made the Spring Split a 7 horse race, and if they couldn't sort out another roster this late they really didn't deserve the spot.
No practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed it is the freedom on which all others are based.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#3719
NiP and SHC are probably the two teams closest to winning this amongst the 3, right? Iirc SHC had a nice series, very close, but lost in the end, while the other two teams had a rather poor showing.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 09 2014 00:18 GMT
#3720
wtf legit college league league starting up dam i wish i went to berk or something
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Prev 1 184 185 186 187 188 224 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
PiGosaur Cup #55
Liquipedia
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group A
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs OyAji
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 158
SpeCial 141
RuFF_SC2 118
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18758
Sea 1758
NaDa 81
Noble 37
Dota 2
monkeys_forever422
NeuroSwarm98
League of Legends
JimRising 552
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor143
Other Games
tarik_tv9167
summit1g8526
goatrope39
ViBE25
Models4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick631
Counter-Strike
PGL139
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 75
• davetesta7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21433
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 18m
WardiTV Korean Royale
9h 18m
LAN Event
12h 18m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
15h 18m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
17h 18m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Wardi Open
1d 9h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.