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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
January 03 2014 03:11 GMT
#2921
Hope they don't play like this in LCS
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 03 2014 03:32 GMT
#2922
On January 02 2014 19:13 NpG)Explosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 15:51 Vanka wrote:
On January 02 2014 15:13 cLutZ wrote:
On January 02 2014 14:36 phyvo wrote:
On January 02 2014 14:11 Vanka wrote:
Any thoughts about Kog'maw? One would think that in a meta with unkillable tanks he would be a well liked pick...
(botrk or ie first)

also I missed the consensus on adc masteries, what do people like?


When I've played Kog in the past I haven't found that his DPS makes up for his lack of kiting ability in league of gap-closers until he hits ADC godlike lategame and can actually mostly kill a tank before they combo him. He doesn't dominate lane either unless you hit R a bunch. Even worse, he only has safe AA range for 8 seconds out of 17 and his only "escape" is a completely ignorable slow. I love Kog but nowadays he simply feels clunky and out of date.

Disclaimer, I'm not a great player, I just like Kog a lot.


Kog is good vs. Mundo teams that pick one of the weaker laning botlanes (like Non-Annie Ezreal lanes). Otherwise he is a win-more champion, because if you are ahead enough to kill a Shyvana/Riven/Rengar that jumps on you, you are crushing so hard you could be playing Annie or Ziggs as ADC.

AP Kog seems similar, but I dont know at all what he does now. Seems like he would take a long time to power up.


I think you're underrating kog's power spike...vayne doesn't need 5 items to do a ton of damage, just two and kog is the same way. Comparing the ad carry who does more damage than any other adc, who you can (in competitive play if not solo queue) send 2v1 or play a turtle style to win with to ad annie or ziggs is kind of an exaggeration o_O


Kog is the champion I've played the most since patch 3.13 (about 50 games). I'm only a gold player so my experience could be different from yours Vanka.
Playing without an escape feels ok most of the time. Sivir/jinx/lucian have been very popular for a couple of months, draven is making a comeback and out this four, only lucian has an escape. Kog is not really at a deficit here.
The biggest problem have been the laning phase, playing against jinx/sivir/lucian + thresh/annie/leona is really hard no matter your support. I've accepted the fact that I'll usually lose lane and hope to be more efficient later, but that only works if your other lanes can do fine.
I'm also surprised he isn't tried more in competitive play. I won't get a lane swap in solo queue to avoid the current stron botlanes, but that should be a big deal in competitive play.
Lastly, I think he is in a better state than vayne at the moment, who according to lolking is still played quite a lot. They share issues during the laning phase, but vayne is worse at dealing with multiple threats (can only condemn one, loses a lot of dps if changing targets, no aoe).


Sivir has an escape once she hits level 6, and Jinx just throws down flame spitters in front of her and runs away. Draven at least has his E. All Kogmaw has is a weak slow.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 03 2014 03:39 GMT
#2923
Nothing is more entertaining than Doublelift's full item vayne :3

WildTurtle getting wrecked.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 03:46:19
January 03 2014 03:44 GMT
#2924
--- Nuked ---
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 03 2014 03:55 GMT
#2925
Anybody know what patch s3 world group stage was played on?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 03 2014 04:16 GMT
#2926
Voy building glass cannon Yasuo

It hurts.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 03 2014 04:25 GMT
#2927
On January 03 2014 12:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 19:13 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On January 02 2014 15:51 Vanka wrote:
On January 02 2014 15:13 cLutZ wrote:
On January 02 2014 14:36 phyvo wrote:
On January 02 2014 14:11 Vanka wrote:
Any thoughts about Kog'maw? One would think that in a meta with unkillable tanks he would be a well liked pick...
(botrk or ie first)

also I missed the consensus on adc masteries, what do people like?


When I've played Kog in the past I haven't found that his DPS makes up for his lack of kiting ability in league of gap-closers until he hits ADC godlike lategame and can actually mostly kill a tank before they combo him. He doesn't dominate lane either unless you hit R a bunch. Even worse, he only has safe AA range for 8 seconds out of 17 and his only "escape" is a completely ignorable slow. I love Kog but nowadays he simply feels clunky and out of date.

Disclaimer, I'm not a great player, I just like Kog a lot.


Kog is good vs. Mundo teams that pick one of the weaker laning botlanes (like Non-Annie Ezreal lanes). Otherwise he is a win-more champion, because if you are ahead enough to kill a Shyvana/Riven/Rengar that jumps on you, you are crushing so hard you could be playing Annie or Ziggs as ADC.

AP Kog seems similar, but I dont know at all what he does now. Seems like he would take a long time to power up.


I think you're underrating kog's power spike...vayne doesn't need 5 items to do a ton of damage, just two and kog is the same way. Comparing the ad carry who does more damage than any other adc, who you can (in competitive play if not solo queue) send 2v1 or play a turtle style to win with to ad annie or ziggs is kind of an exaggeration o_O


Kog is the champion I've played the most since patch 3.13 (about 50 games). I'm only a gold player so my experience could be different from yours Vanka.
Playing without an escape feels ok most of the time. Sivir/jinx/lucian have been very popular for a couple of months, draven is making a comeback and out this four, only lucian has an escape. Kog is not really at a deficit here.
The biggest problem have been the laning phase, playing against jinx/sivir/lucian + thresh/annie/leona is really hard no matter your support. I've accepted the fact that I'll usually lose lane and hope to be more efficient later, but that only works if your other lanes can do fine.
I'm also surprised he isn't tried more in competitive play. I won't get a lane swap in solo queue to avoid the current stron botlanes, but that should be a big deal in competitive play.
Lastly, I think he is in a better state than vayne at the moment, who according to lolking is still played quite a lot. They share issues during the laning phase, but vayne is worse at dealing with multiple threats (can only condemn one, loses a lot of dps if changing targets, no aoe).


Sivir has an escape once she hits level 6, and Jinx just throws down flame spitters in front of her and runs away. Draven at least has his E. All Kogmaw has is a weak slow.

that slow is not weak yo shit is like 60% slow or something
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
January 03 2014 04:28 GMT
#2928
On January 03 2014 13:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Voy building glass cannon Yasuo

It hurts.

He's as bad as me at Yasuo.

Yayyyyy.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 03 2014 04:28 GMT
#2929
BT is better in soloqueue. Longer lane phase means you can use it to it's full advantage. Not to mention more gold flow is possible in yolo queue, meaning your hitting your item timings earlier, so not as painful waiting for 2nd and 3rd item timing.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 04:40:02
January 03 2014 04:37 GMT
#2930
On January 03 2014 12:55 Gahlo wrote:
Anybody know what patch s3 world group stage was played on?


3.11
Freeeeeeedom
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 03 2014 05:01 GMT
#2931
On January 03 2014 13:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 13:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Voy building glass cannon Yasuo

It hurts.

He's as bad as me at Yasuo.

Yayyyyy.


If he had built most of a Randuin's or something instead of Last Whisper, he would have survived to actually do damage, but after seeing that he was close(tm) to killing Gragas, he probably just tunneled on getting damage.

Building damage on a bruiser when behind is like trying to swim up a waterfall. -__-"
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
January 03 2014 05:07 GMT
#2932
Whats the best yasuo build if not glass cannon?
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
January 03 2014 05:19 GMT
#2933
On January 03 2014 14:07 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Whats the best yasuo build if not glass cannon?

AP.

Gotta make use of that E mang.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 03 2014 06:03 GMT
#2934
RiotPenguine is drawing "Draw Me Like One of Your French Chicks" Taric on stream.
http://www.twitch.tv/riot_penguin
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 03 2014 06:05 GMT
#2935
On January 03 2014 15:03 Gahlo wrote:
RiotPenguine is drawing "Draw Me Like One of Your French Chicks" Taric on stream.
http://www.twitch.tv/riot_penguin

I continue to be incredibly jealous of anyone with artistic ability.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 03 2014 06:06 GMT
#2936
On January 03 2014 15:03 Gahlo wrote:
RiotPenguine is drawing "Draw Me Like One of Your French Chicks" Taric on stream.
http://www.twitch.tv/riot_penguin

Tha pecs tho
It's your boy Guzma!
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
January 03 2014 06:11 GMT
#2937
On January 03 2014 14:07 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Whats the best yasuo build if not glass cannon?

I like bruiser ish style the best. From what I've seen it's the most effective. 2 offensive items into defense. The only staple offensive item is shiv, the rest is still debatable. I think ghostblade deserves to be looked at on him more though. For defence, I like randuins and banshees, the order of which depends on their team and the state of the game.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
January 03 2014 06:56 GMT
#2938
On January 03 2014 15:06 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 15:03 Gahlo wrote:
RiotPenguine is drawing "Draw Me Like One of Your French Chicks" Taric on stream.
http://www.twitch.tv/riot_penguin

Tha pecs tho

"I'm going to get fired for this, I know it.."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 07:25:20
January 03 2014 07:08 GMT
#2939
On January 03 2014 15:06 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 15:03 Gahlo wrote:
RiotPenguine is drawing "Draw Me Like One of Your French Chicks" Taric on stream.
http://www.twitch.tv/riot_penguin

Tha pecs tho

Do want.

Also, this playlist.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 03 2014 07:33 GMT
#2940
On January 03 2014 14:07 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Whats the best yasuo build if not glass cannon?


As much as I hate to admit it, I'm pretty sure best build is Shiv + IE into tanky items like Randuins, Banshees, Sunfire and Spirit Visage. Which is sad, cause I was really hoping we'd see Atmas be used again in pro play, as Yasuo's probably the only champ who can get the most out of it now with current items in the game.
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