EPT[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 71
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
(check out The Beat, Down the Road, and the rest of their album :3) I also reverted from so much electronic music and added postrock into my playlists. Neo was mogwai previously right? Mogwai is great | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On August 02 2013 21:59 Scip wrote: Mogwai = Smashgizmo =/= Neo I'm sorry @-@ | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
- yii (especially top lane) still cant duel anyone, not much burst for a squishy melee champion, almost no defensive scaling (which means crappy scaling). they basically removed what makes him viable (burst) and made him a squishy melee carry again which never worked in the history of mobas. and with "never worked" I mean you can get a master yii fed and carry a game with him no doubt, but you whould have done it better and it would have been easyer with a good champ who can also lane on his own. - vayne first of all vayne has an almost exact winrate of 50% in soloq. there is no reason to think a shortranged adc with a crappy laneing phase is any better in soloq than any other except if you think about her lategame potential. Well vayne has pretty good single target dps scaling into lategame, and thats it. She doesn't have aoe, no high range, not much utility. Hell weve even seen clg lose games with a fed vayne pretty often lately, played by one of the strongest vayne players in the world. - leona what makes vayne-train even worse is that bad support players think they can play leona with vayne. I've yet to see that combo not fail miserably. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
vayne is special because she has a significant impact on the game even when slightly behind. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23382 Posts
someone fail edited or troll edited the vayne page silver bolts is missing and the first line of her ult says"vayne goes man mode" | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On August 02 2013 22:25 Kenpachi wrote: I love a good leona, not the derpy ones who go full retard every yime their e is up... vayne is special because she has a significant impact on the game even when slightly behind. More importantly, once they hit 6 they should be using their ult to initiate and using e to follow up. I see way too many Leona players wasting fantastic opportunities because they insist on using their ult as a final "omg, he's getting away!" lockdown attempt. Drop an ult to initiate, if a good hit scores, w, e, q, get someone fed. If you whiff, oh well, you're not committed, Leona's ult is ALWAYS available anyway with that ridiculous low cool down. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 02 2013 22:17 clickrush wrote: clickrushs new list of overrated soloq champions: - yii (especially top lane) still cant duel anyone, not much burst for a squishy melee champion, almost no defensive scaling (which means crappy scaling). they basically removed what makes him viable (burst) and made him a squishy melee carry again which never worked in the history of mobas. and with "never worked" I mean you can get a master yii fed and carry a game with him no doubt, but you whould have done it better and it would have been easyer with a good champ who can also lane on his own. - vayne first of all vayne has an almost exact winrate of 50% in soloq. there is no reason to think a shortranged adc with a crappy laneing phase is any better in soloq than any other except if you think about her lategame potential. Well vayne has pretty good single target dps scaling into lategame, and thats it. She doesn't have aoe, no high range, not much utility. Hell weve even seen clg lose games with a fed vayne pretty often lately, played by one of the strongest vayne players in the world. - leona what makes vayne-train even worse is that bad support players think they can play leona with vayne. I've yet to see that combo not fail miserably. How does Yi not have burst? Maybe you're playing against bad ones, because 1:1 total AD scaling AoE gap closer with basically no CD once you factor in CDR and auto attack reduction is pretty fucking chunky. If you play him like Trynd and do nothing but auto, yeah he's trash. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 02 2013 22:31 Requizen wrote: How does Yi not have burst? Maybe you're playing against bad ones, because 1:1 total AD scaling AoE gap closer with basically no CD once you factor in CDR and auto attack reduction is pretty fucking chunky. If you play him like Trynd and do nothing but auto, yeah he's trash. That's not burst. Every champion in the game has spells that do damage, a surprising fact I know, but true nonetheless. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
On August 02 2013 22:17 clickrush wrote: clickrushs new list of overrated soloq champions: - yii (especially top lane) still cant duel anyone, not much burst for a squishy melee champion, almost no defensive scaling (which means crappy scaling). they basically removed what makes him viable (burst) and made him a squishy melee carry again which never worked in the history of mobas. and with "never worked" I mean you can get a master yii fed and carry a game with him no doubt, but you whould have done it better and it would have been easyer with a good champ who can also lane on his own. - vayne first of all vayne has an almost exact winrate of 50% in soloq. there is no reason to think a shortranged adc with a crappy laneing phase is any better in soloq than any other except if you think about her lategame potential. Well vayne has pretty good single target dps scaling into lategame, and thats it. She doesn't have aoe, no high range, not much utility. Hell weve even seen clg lose games with a fed vayne pretty often lately, played by one of the strongest vayne players in the world. - leona what makes vayne-train even worse is that bad support players think they can play leona with vayne. I've yet to see that combo not fail miserably. i don't believe that your view of vayne is quite accurate - here's why: her laning phase is fairly strong due to the ability to trade on her terms with tumble and condemn proccing silver bolts in the space of 2 autos and maybe 1 skill from most other ad carries. tumble and condemn also make vayne quite difficult to engage on. vayne will lose lanes when played passively against the many ad carries that outrange her, but will do perfectly well if played intelligently with bortk, vayne is almost guaranteed to win 1v1s. this allows vayne to push quite far safely and create map pressure that other ad carries simply cannot provide. you mention clg losing games with vayne - without vayne, they would have lost even harder. for instance, doublelift's 2v1 double kill yesterday would not have been even close to possible on any other ad carry. he eventually drew 4 enemy players bot and gave clg free reign over the rest of the map. clg squandered that and other opportunities, but the fact remains that vayne was a valuable pick for them in teamfights, vayne is also one of the few ad carries in the game with effective self peel. on top of that, vayne can simply outduel anyone who dives her. for comparison, kog also has 'pretty good single target dps', but what makes vayne a much more valuable pick is her ability to succeed without her team fully committing to protecting her. her limiting factor is range, which prevents her from engaging on high value backline targets, but vayne excels in killing the front line while i personally agree with your assertion that vayne is overrated in that i don't think additional direct nerfs are necessary (although i think bortk changes might be good), she is much stronger and plays differently than you seem to think | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
TL have helped me immensely with my mindset and whatnot, I still rage like a bitch but i realise in a game i need to concentrate on my play and not blame my team and start looking for things i can fix, what i did wrong and how to improve even if i did win. I <3 you guys ive also learnt many little tricks / playstyle changes / actual shit i didnt even know that have made me start crushing n00bs instead of going even or just failing when i know i shouldnt. Thank you TL LoL, Much love <3 Also, Leona is OP. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 02 2013 22:47 Feartheguru wrote: That's not burst. Every champion in the game has spells that do damage, a surprising fact I know, but true nonetheless. I can think of few champions in the game that have both a 15% boost to AD and a 1:1 total AD scaling nuke on what is essentially a less than 4 second CD as long as you hit things. And then ones that do, we call "bursty", and they generally only do it to a single target as well. Not to mention the damn thing can crit. I'm not calling Yi OP, I think he's in a strong but manageable state, but to say he can't chunk the hell out of people is just pretty empirically false. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 02 2013 22:52 Requizen wrote: I can think of few champions in the game that have both a 15% boost to AD and a 1:1 total AD scaling nuke on what is essentially a less than 4 second CD as long as you hit things. And then ones that do, we call "bursty", and they generally only do it to a single target as well. Not to mention the damn thing can crit. I'm not calling Yi OP, I think he's in a strong but manageable state, but to say he can't chunk the hell out of people is just pretty empirically false. A 1:1 AD nuke as the only "burst" spell is not bursty. Under criteria like that 3/4 of the champs are bursty. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On August 02 2013 23:00 Feartheguru wrote: A 1:1 AD nuke as the only "burst" spell is not bursty. Under criteria like that 3/4 of the champs are bursty. More like 100%, every champion in the game has this 1:1AD scaling spell called auto-attack :> | ||
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qanik
Denmark1899 Posts
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 02 2013 23:13 qanik wrote: Not every champ has a 5 man 1:1 ad nuke with 165 base that can crit and has almost no CD. It's at most 4 man (and usually not), there are aoe spells in the game, it does not have almost no CD (which is irrelevant to the "burst" discussion even if it were true), 165 base is very low. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
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