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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 19 2013 19:17 mr_tolkien wrote: Wit's end is pretty bad on Kayle. I did the maths and even if you count it like it gives you 25 Mpen outright it's still a bad item for her. Plus you won't be able to afk-auto that much in teamfights, Nash's tooth and AS reds already give you enough AP. Wit's end is really good if 1) you're able to make full use of the MR 2) you can apply the 5 stacks pretty fast (auto reset or stg) 3) You can auto nonstop for a good chunk of time. Wit's is good. At say 25 mr reduction, against a 42 mr ADC you would bring them down to 17 mr. A 21% increase in magic damage.(142/117) You also increase your .638 BAS by 42%. 1/(.638*.42) One extra attack in 3.7 seconds. And you get 42 magic damage Nashors on the other hand: 50% atk spd. 1/(.638*.5)=3.13 seconds for an extra attack. 60AP (factors into Kayle's Q,W,and E)(E gives .4*60)=24 damage 15+15%AP damage = 24 (if you have no other AP) Costs 500 more Total of 48 more damage. I'll finish the math when I get home. I assumed you maxed E. Most people don't especially now that Q's slow scales with levels. You get higher end state dps for 82.1%(2400/2920) of the cost. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On August 20 2013 06:43 obesechicken13 wrote: Wit's is good. At say 25 mr reduction, against a 42 mr ADC you would bring them down to 17 mr. A 21% increase in magic damage.(142/117) You also increase your .638 BAS by 42%. 1/(.638*.42) One extra attack in 3.7 seconds. And you get 42 magic damage Nashors on the other hand: 50% atk spd. 1/(.638*.5)=3.13 seconds for an extra attack. 60AP (factors into Kayle's Q,W,and E)(E gives .4*60)=24 damage 15+15%AP damage = 24 (if you have no other AP) Costs 500 more Total of 48 more damage. I'll finish the math when I get home. You get higher end state dps for 82.1%(2400/2920) of the cost. No it's terrible I promise you. You'll never ever ever never ever land more than 5 autos on an AD, and CDR is absolutely KEY to your DPS and sticking power. Nashor's tooth also brings you additionnal AP scaling which is good for the rest of your build. Wit's is a really good item, just not on Kayle because she doesn't give 2 shits about the MR and doesn't have the sticking power of a bruiser/offtank. EDIT : I do agree though, as a SINGLE SLOT ONLY AS ITEM it fares better. Guess what, that's what it's made for. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
It has pretty miserable scaling going into late game and doesn't synergize with any of your future items. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dlAHQyN.png) I'll be resuming in roughly a half hour to an hour. Dinner is taking longer than I thought. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I'll let you Jungle Panth. Don't disappoint. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 20 2013 06:43 obesechicken13 wrote: Wit's is good. At say 25 mr reduction, against a 42 mr ADC you would bring them down to 17 mr. A 21% increase in magic damage.(142/117) You also increase your .638 BAS by 42%. 1/(.638*.42) One extra attack in 3.7 seconds. And you get 42 magic damage Nashors on the other hand: 50% atk spd. 1/(.638*.5)=3.13 seconds for an extra attack. 60AP (factors into Kayle's Q,W,and E)(E gives .4*60)=24 damage 15+15%AP damage = 24 (if you have no other AP) Costs 500 more Total of 48 more damage. I'll finish the math when I get home. I assumed you maxed E. Most people don't especially now that Q's slow scales with levels. You get higher end state dps for 82.1%(2400/2920) of the cost. Your calculations aren't honest. 1 - you have to hit someone 5 times before you have 25 MR shred that you value so heavily in your calculation. Your first Q will probably be on a target you have hit 0-1 times, and not get increased at all. Your first through fifth hit will be on a target with less than 15%+25 MR shred on them. 2 - Kayle really needs CDR for her offensive spells, AND for her defensive utility spells (which don't show up on any kind of damage count theorycraft) Without CDR, downtime on her E leaves a dangerous window open, and her Q cooldown is very important to her too. 3 - "Assuming you have no other AP" Where are your doran's rings? Your runes? Your masteries? Nashor's passive is worth more than that. Especially since you buy MORE AP ITEMS after it. Furthermore, whether you're maxing E or Q doesn't really matter when looking at an AP value's contribution to damage. 60 AP adds the same amount of damage to a level 2 E as it does to a level 5 E. Get wits on on-hitters that do magic damage like Udyr or something. Don't get it on a mage like Kayle. | ||
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WiseBagus
Canada452 Posts
On August 20 2013 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I hereby show solidarity----Canadian internet sucks horse dicks. I had that same issue until only recently. Rogers only very recently allowed an option to add unlimited bandwidth and we got it immediately. Who's your provider? It is Rogers, but I am moving away to experience university internet now, so the timing is awful. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 20 2013 07:32 NeoIllusions wrote: Not a single positive. Monty plz. I'll let you Jungle Panth. Don't disappoint. All of my KDAs are positive, excepting Rumble.  Also, I'm back up and running. Watch me tank sylverfyre's LP. http://www.twitch.tv/montegomerylol | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I mean, Seuss' doing awful, you guys should totally come watch him fail hilariously and have fun at his expanse, really. There's rage and people getting mad at every jungler he picks and stuff. Totally. Though he's running the legit Pantheon jungle right now. Screw you Neo, you fun police. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 20 2013 07:49 WiseBagus wrote: It is Rogers, but I am moving away to experience university internet now, so the timing is awful. University internet is glorious. I get 110 down, 70 up. Download speeds are acceptable at home, 15 down, but 1mbps up(advertised) is more like 7-800kbps on a good day. At least it's unlimited. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:35 Gahlo wrote: Soloq is full of retards, the lot of 'em. Some people right now are using Monte as an example. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Make me proud. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On August 20 2013 07:47 sylverfyre wrote: Your calculations aren't honest. 1 - you have to hit someone 5 times before you have 25 MR shred that you value so heavily in your calculation. Your first Q will probably be on a target you have hit 0-1 times, and not get increased at all. Your first through fifth hit will be on a target with less than 15%+25 MR shred on them. 2 - Kayle really needs CDR for her offensive spells, AND for her defensive utility spells (which don't show up on any kind of damage count theorycraft) Without CDR, downtime on her E leaves a dangerous window open, and her Q cooldown is very important to her too. 3 - "Assuming you have no other AP" Where are your doran's rings? Your runes? Your masteries? Nashor's passive is worth more than that. Especially since you buy MORE AP ITEMS after it. Furthermore, whether you're maxing E or Q doesn't really matter when looking at an AP value's contribution to damage. 60 AP adds the same amount of damage to a level 2 E as it does to a level 5 E. Get wits on on-hitters that do magic damage like Udyr or something. Don't get it on a mage like Kayle. I don't mean it as a 1st item. I meant nashors into wit's end. The combined 90% auto will demolish anyone, yes even tanks (you have crazy pen). And yes, it's not a teamfight item... but if you max Q over E first (which you should), your focus will be doing single target dmg to eliminate someone out of the fight rather than trying to do AOE dmg. Honestly though if you get zerk's+wits+nashors your dmg output is so insane in a short amount of time you'd think she was some sort of ranged caster. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:57 Shelke14 wrote: morg is so meh. lots of people have jungled her But Monte hasn't, which gives potential for random goofs. Like when he jungled Panth, letting these barely fed Fiddlesticks and Wukong take all the kills instead of manmoding in pure Pantheon style to pad his kda. (At least he'll have a harder time ulting the drake this game.) | ||
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