[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 250

On August 15 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
So you can say "they followed up my initiation with <their stuff>" to indicate what they did, and "they followed upon my initiation" to indicate when they did it? Thanks.

Also how come I have so much trouble dealing with Vlad as Irelia? Isn't the match-up supposed to be quite even, or did the s3 changes in general gimp her that much that she just loses it? He rushed Wraith Spirit off of boots start, but after that he went straight for mercs which bring nothing to the match-up except reducing my slow, and even with Spectre's Cowl+Cutlass (and MR quints) I'd drop around half his health with a full combo (if I get a stun) w/o ult nor ignite, then he just spam Q and E on me such that he'd have reversed the health advantage before even half of Hiten Style's cooldown passed.
Can't 100-0 him anyway because of Pool, I'd need to bait it out or drop him so low than next fight I can fight him, chase his pool, and kill him afterwards while tanking the turret and his ult if needed, which is made impossible by how much he sustains between trades.

He even spent a bunch of the lane tanking minion aggro since he was autoing me when he could, but once he had revolver he just outsustained that too on top of the rest.
With Spectre's, MR quints and the sustaim from Hiten+Cutlass I'd have expected better than that. <<

On August 15 2013 02:33 Feartheguru wrote:


Can you tell me what league you're in? It makes a big difference, in lower levels vlad will almost always beat irelia cause people don't understand moving between attacks. I'm also wondering if you understand Irelia mechanics? As in, Q a minion near him that's almost dead to ge the reset, E, walk beside him W, auto walk auto walk etc. until he pool, then use Q again, auto some more.

On August 15 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
So you can say "they followed up my initiation with <their stuff>" to indicate what they did, and "they followed upon my initiation" to indicate when they did it? Thanks.

Also how come I have so much trouble dealing with Vlad as Irelia? Isn't the match-up supposed to be quite even, or did the s3 changes in general gimp her that much that she just loses it? He rushed Wraith Spirit off of boots start, but after that he went straight for mercs which bring nothing to the match-up except reducing my slow, and even with Spectre's Cowl+Cutlass (and MR quints) I'd drop around half his health with a full combo (if I get a stun) w/o ult nor ignite, then he just spam Q and E on me such that he'd have reversed the health advantage before even half of Hiten Style's cooldown passed.
Can't 100-0 him anyway because of Pool, I'd need to bait it out or drop him so low than next fight I can fight him, chase his pool, and kill him afterwards while tanking the turret and his ult if needed, which is made impossible by how much he sustains between trades.

He even spent a bunch of the lane tanking minion aggro since he was autoing me when he could, but once he had revolver he just outsustained that too on top of the rest.
With Spectre's, MR quints and the sustaim from Hiten+Cutlass I'd have expected better than that. <<

On August 15 2013 02:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
Finals > Semis > Groups

For you, caelym, Semis by far, it seems.

On August 15 2013 02:46 Alaric wrote:
Y'know I can win games and be dissatisfied with what happened, right? Take the last one: we won, but it was off an invade (killed Udyr, stole his blue, Shen snowballed hard off that) and the game was plagued with dc on both sides—which is another way to say "EUW server seems to be having problems atm, people have been reporting lags and dc".

Other than that I'm Gold I atm and my attack-move is definitely the kind of mechanics I'm bad at. He didn't let me Q to a nearly dead minion because of how he pushed the lane (his jungler came twice around 4 minutes and sat in the bush in between so this let Vlad build up a huge wave w/o sharing exp., and after his first back he just spammed non-stop to push), and I ended up a lil' bit slower than him (hence the Cutlass) because he rushed mercs while I was on boots1 (so around a 10 MS gap).
Last times I played the match-up there was no need for as much stutter-stepping (sometimes none at all) so I guess considering how bad I'm at it and how greedy I am with boots (esp. mercs when I don't value the tenacity especially high in lane, Vlad being a case with his impressive cc) even such a tiny change can make a huge swing in how I perform.
Maybe I should switch back to MS quints on top of working on my mechanics, if I can zone him out (because more autos = more damage = harder for him to just walk back, stand there and faceroll) there should be less need for resistances. I don't really feel comfortable having to rush mercs against a no-cc champ though.


^ I usually max W, put 3 points in E for longer cc, then max Q. In this case he didn't even have to use Pool anyway and it was more the MS that was the problem I think, as he would stay near me regardless, as long as he wouldn't die from QRignite or there was no low-health minion for me to get in E range. Being able to land more autos would have dropped him lower and possibly let me zone him or at least made him wary of trying to sustain by spamming me.
Main problem was that he'd heal back enough while Hiten Style is on cd, and I don't think I'd do enough damage without it to warrant shortening Q cd (it's around the same as Hiten Style at level 1, when used to reach and combo him).

On August 15 2013 02:46 Alaric wrote:
Y'know I can win games and be dissatisfied with what happened, right? Take the last one: we won, but it was off an invade (killed Udyr, stole his blue, Shen snowballed hard off that) and the game was plagued with dc on both sides—which is another way to say "EUW server seems to be having problems atm, people have been reporting lags and dc".

Other than that I'm Gold I atm and my attack-move is definitely the kind of mechanics I'm bad at. He didn't let me Q to a nearly dead minion because of how he pushed the lane (his jungler came twice around 4 minutes and sat in the bush in between so this let Vlad build up a huge wave w/o sharing exp., and after his first back he just spammed non-stop to push), and I ended up a lil' bit slower than him (hence the Cutlass) because he rushed mercs while I was on boots1 (so around a 10 MS gap).
Last times I played the match-up there was no need for as much stutter-stepping (sometimes none at all) so I guess considering how bad I'm at it and how greedy I am with boots (esp. mercs when I don't value the tenacity especially high in lane, Vlad being a case with his impressive cc) even such a tiny change can make a huge swing in how I perform.
Maybe I should switch back to MS quints on top of working on my mechanics, if I can zone him out (because more autos = more damage = harder for him to just walk back, stand there and faceroll) there should be less need for resistances. I don't really feel comfortable having to rush mercs against a no-cc champ though.


^ I usually max W, put 3 points in E for longer cc, then max Q. In this case he didn't even have to use Pool anyway and it was more the MS that was the problem I think, as he would stay near me regardless, as long as he wouldn't die from QRignite or there was no low-health minion for me to get in E range. Being able to land more autos would have dropped him lower and possibly let me zone him or at least made him wary of trying to sustain by spamming me.
Main problem was that he'd heal back enough while Hiten Style is on cd, and I don't think I'd do enough damage without it to warrant shortening Q cd (it's around the same as Hiten Style at level 1, when used to reach and combo him).

On August 15 2013 03:10 Alaric wrote:
I wouldn't call that "camped" when he stayed around 30s for Vlad to build the huge wave and only showed his face without making me burn health/mana/summoners, though. I mean, I tend to whine, but when it comes to jungle interference I'm laxer.
I wasn't really denied cs either (maybe 1-2 for which I got exp), only made unable to keep the wave balanced so I could fight in it if needed.

On August 15 2013 03:19 mordek wrote:
Then you must overcome adversity and conquer plat as a master TF player. Sounds more rewarding than just being Diamond

On August 15 2013 03:15 IMoperator wrote:
Is it true that you gain elo faster when you pick one champ and completely master them? Or is it better to have a few champs that you're pretty good at in order to counter pick or that would be better in some comps? Also, I wan to find a champ to play to diamond from plat 1, but the only champ I really enjoy playing and could play every game is TF, and he's either banned or they pick Fizz against me (fuck that fish, seriously). I wanna find another champ but nobody is as fun to me