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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 21 2013 20:31 GMT
#3521
On July 22 2013 05:27 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 04:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 22 2013 04:48 cLutZ wrote:
On July 22 2013 04:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 22 2013 04:02 cLutZ wrote:
Why is Rammus bad against double AD? I mean, other than that he is just bad.

Cuz you taunt 1 ad. There's still a second ad wailing on the rest of your team.


Lol. Isn't that just an argument for double AD being strong?

Not really. Double adc has its weaknesses. They're extremely vulnerable to well played aoe cc comps in the beginning of late game. They can be shutdown by tankline splitpushing with stuff like shen. Poke comps are insanely strong as well.


I'm just saying the point of double ad is that if 1 gets locked down you still have another. The fact that Rammus can only like down 1 is the point of the comp. I guess Guys like Malphite and ZAC can lock down more, but they are better than Rammus vs. any comp, not just double AD.

That's definitely true. But, rammus is just extremely strong against the 4 protect 1 comp, not the more balanced team comps we're seeing nowadays.
liftlift > tsm
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 21 2013 20:50 GMT
#3522
Thanks for the suggestions on mice. Going to look into it more.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 21 2013 20:55 GMT
#3523
Sort of cute VES wrote an article about cheating in Esports and how it's bad, yet they used Deezer in their lineup with no apologies (I believe the exact quote was "fuck it, baylife").

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1iqybu/crime_and_punishment_cheating_in_esports/
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 21 2013 21:02 GMT
#3524
On July 22 2013 05:55 Diamond wrote:
Sort of cute VES wrote an article about cheating in Esports and how it's bad, yet they used Deezer in their lineup with no apologies (I believe the exact quote was "fuck it, baylife").

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1iqybu/crime_and_punishment_cheating_in_esports/

They used deezer for one tourney cuz their midlaner got poached with very little warning. Also; has deezer had any history of cheating in LoL?
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 21:13:38
July 21 2013 21:09 GMT
#3525
he's been perma'd but I just think for being BM so not really

my only real annoyance with the whole thing was when Guitar said he asked around on TL and didn't get much feedback, when there was at least 10 posts saying he wasn't the best guy. I realise he was in a shitty spot and had to get someone asap so he's gotta do what he's gotta do but I honestly felt like he tried to make it sound like we endorsed it (which he doesn't need thats not what I'm saying) when we didn't.
Carrilord has arrived.
craaaaack
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
479 Posts
July 21 2013 21:35 GMT
#3526
can you zil ult after someone got revived into yorricks clone?
▲ I was really thirsty while playing a match. All my teammates were gone, so I drank from the water bottle that was next to me. It was very good. I thank the owner of the bottle.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 21 2013 21:43 GMT
#3527
On July 22 2013 06:35 craaaaack wrote:
can you zil ult after someone got revived into yorricks clone?

Without having tried it myself, my guts say: Yes, but it won't do anything.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
July 21 2013 21:45 GMT
#3528
Man, I love playing twisted fate. I really need to get the insta-gold card pick down though, that's really killing me lol. My reaction time too slow T_T
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 21:54:26
July 21 2013 21:52 GMT
#3529
On July 22 2013 06:09 Slusher wrote:
he's been perma'd but I just think for being BM so not really

my only real annoyance with the whole thing was when Guitar said he asked around on TL and didn't get much feedback, when there was at least 10 posts saying he wasn't the best guy. I realise he was in a shitty spot and had to get someone asap so he's gotta do what he's gotta do but I honestly felt like he tried to make it sound like we endorsed it (which he doesn't need thats not what I'm saying) when we didn't.

Well, in gtrsrs's defense, he got a bunch of content basically saying "this guy is BM" and honestly, that's not really saying a lot when you look at a majority of LoL players, especially considering that people can and do change their attitude over time, especially when there's a reason to.

The people posting stuff against deezer should have prioritized his more egregious offenses like maphacking, drophacking, streamcheating, knowing that trash talking in SC2 ladder games in 2011 really isn't something that matters all THAT much.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 21 2013 21:56 GMT
#3530
i feel like its more confidence then anything, knowing that you see the gold and you have the instincts to get it in time with that first tiny window
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 21 2013 21:59 GMT
#3531
just toss the blue card for more dmg
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 21 2013 22:02 GMT
#3532
On July 22 2013 06:56 FinestHour wrote:
i feel like its more confidence then anything, knowing that you see the gold and you have the instincts to get it in time with that first tiny window

Or if you're really next level. You keep track of the internal rotation when Pick a Card is on cooldown.
liftlift > tsm
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
July 21 2013 22:03 GMT
#3533
On July 22 2013 06:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
just toss the blue card for more dmg

All the pros are doing it!
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 22:26:12
July 21 2013 22:07 GMT
#3534
On July 22 2013 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 06:56 FinestHour wrote:
i feel like its more confidence then anything, knowing that you see the gold and you have the instincts to get it in time with that first tiny window

Or if you're really next level. You keep track of the internal rotation when Pick a Card is on cooldown.


Didn't they change it so you cant do that anymore? I remember lots of people complaining about instant gold cards from that, don't quite remember what riot did.

Edit: Also, does anyone feel that Lissandra is a great champ for organized play but gets dumpstered on in solo q?
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 21 2013 22:07 GMT
#3535
On July 22 2013 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 06:56 FinestHour wrote:
i feel like its more confidence then anything, knowing that you see the gold and you have the instincts to get it in time with that first tiny window

Or if you're really next level. You keep track of the internal rotation when Pick a Card is on cooldown.

For the first 6-8 minutes of the match I always have it in perfect sync. Then my mind slips for one second, I fuck up the rotation and give up on it.
Glorious SEA doto
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 22:12:13
July 21 2013 22:11 GMT
#3536
wrong thread
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 21 2013 22:13 GMT
#3537
toss blue card
then all chat DOIN IT
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 21 2013 22:16 GMT
#3538
On July 22 2013 07:13 FinestHour wrote:
toss blue card
then all chat DOIN IT

Feelin blue
It's your boy Guzma!
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 21 2013 22:33 GMT
#3539
What do you guy think think about Wit's End on adc?

I've been trying Wit's End on adcs, such as Vayne, Caitlyn, so far I quite like it. I usually get it after 2 cores (botrk/bt and pd). So far this is what I see:
- Unless you adc got initiated on, it's pretty easy to gain and maintain 5 stack of +5mr. Wit's End and PD gives you beast attack speed to get stacks up in seconds.
- Wit's End gives 42 magic damage on hit, so in a sense it gives +42 attack damage. For the price of 2400g, it's actually pretty decent. The con is it doesn't scale with crit.
- the -mr doesn't really give adc advantage, but it's surprisingly a good teamfight item. I love it when the enemy champions, such as Nasus, Malphite,.v..v, run straight in our team to try to initiate a fight, and I lower his mr so fast that our AP can drop him half health in one spell rotation.
- With champion like Caitlyn, you can switch target and lower the mr of more than 1 enemy champions.

Overall, I like Wit's End on adc so far, but I haven't played enough game to get a hold of its advantage and disadvantage.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 22:39:41
July 21 2013 22:36 GMT
#3540
Doesn't the magic damage get reduced by MR? Since you're probably not running Mpen as an ADC +42 damage per hit is a bit high.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
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