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I want to watch the LPL finals, but then I want to cast it and I don't want to be spoiled, but then I can't help write some sort of summary article until I watch it.
Ahhhhhhhh dilemmas, Yango pls~
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For Scip.
We did some testing to try to look at the criticisms you raised of our buff transfer strategy, and this is what we found.
First of all, an important thing to note that I'm not sure you looked at, is that when you do the buff transfer strategy, the mid laner who takes the second buff actually leaves the two small lizards alive. Your jungler actually hits level 3 off these two small lizards, and does not have to go to double golems to hit level 3.
With this note we've found that you actually hit lvl3 no later than 10 seconds behind a buff>buff>clear, depending on how fast your jungler kills wraiths/wolves. When I tried it with Mundo, I was actually hitting level 3 faster doing buff>wolves>wraiths>small lizards. So within 0-10 seconds of a conventional clear.
We also did some tests with counterjungling. If the enemy jungler does his blue and goes immediately to your red, he gets to your red at the same time that you are clearing wraiths. I feel like what's scary about an early invade like that is you don't have to kill the other jungler to set him back, all you have to do is drive him away from his red buff and take it. You get 3 buffs and he only gets one. If you get the kill that's just extra good.
But since that buff camp has already been taken and wolves and wraiths are already cleared by the time you arrive, you are then required to kill the enemy jungler. If you don't you are behind, and even if you do, the only camp you can take from him afterwards is double golems.
Finally, you said that the jungler hits level 4 noticeably slower (30 seconds or so) when he's not taking both buff camps. This is true, but it's true because there's a weird gap in the camps when you only do one buff where you need 1 minions worth of EXP to hit level 4 and have to walk all the way to double golems to get it. If you went to a lane and ganked it during this time period, if a single minion died during your gank you'd hit level 4 and be around as fast as the conventional clearing jungler. You actually hit level 5 and level 6 at more or less identical times with both clear paths, assuming you never gank.
Also please note that these clear times are fairly relative depending on which jungler we're talking about. Some junglers clear small camps faster than others and some junglers require both buffs to clear at max speed while others don't.
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I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode.
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On June 26 2013 06:23 Spaiku wrote:
What do you guys think about Tryndamere?
Op, hidden op, must ban ? He keeps destroying my games everytime he wins his lane
pick nasus profit
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...
You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME. o.O My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful. Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything. My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not. Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is. What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game? No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs. As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense. I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with. I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post? I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all. I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12. Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off. I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good. Aww, I guess you missed the good old Ryze where you just ran up to someone and slammed your head against the keyboard and got a kill every time your ult was up. He was so nice if you were afraid of skillshots
I played Ryze in my first game and that's exactly what happened. I carried my team to the point where people were complimenting me and surprised to hear it was my first game. Felt good man.
Queued up again and I've been getting stomped ever since. I hit 600 Elo once (and then rode LB/Ahri to 1200). Anyone been farther down in the depths Elo Hell than me?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 26 2013 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode.
Try going into the menu, turning off option for all chat, confirm the change, then open the menu again and turn it back on.
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On June 26 2013 06:46 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...
You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME. o.O My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful. Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything. My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not. Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is. What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game? No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs. As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense. I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with. I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post? I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all. I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12. Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off. I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good. Aww, I guess you missed the good old Ryze where you just ran up to someone and slammed your head against the keyboard and got a kill every time your ult was up. He was so nice if you were afraid of skillshots I played Ryze in my first game and that's exactly what happened. I carried my team to the point where people were complimenting me and surprised to hear it was my first game. Felt good man. Queued up again and I've been getting stomped ever since. I hit 600 Elo once (and then rode LB/Ahri to 1200). Anyone been farther down in the depths Elo Hell than me?
I lost something like all 10 of my placement games at the start of season 3 and went from 1300-1350ish at the end of season 2 to the high 800's at the start of season 3. Shit was rough. Took like 200 games to get back to 1300-1350.
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On June 26 2013 06:24 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:23 Spaiku wrote:
What do you guys think about Tryndamere?
Op, hidden op, must ban, trash? He hasnt been OP since that AP tryn phase and then he got nerfed. :< He's a solid soloQ pick though
Voyboy picks him in LCS now and then. He's not OP or anything tho.
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On June 26 2013 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode.
Is your minimap on the left? If it is you need to change it for LoLrecorder as well for chat to show up. Haven't found a fix for spectator yet.
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On June 26 2013 06:46 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...
You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME. o.O My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful. Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything. My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not. Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is. What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game? No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs. As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense. I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with. I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post? I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all. I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12. Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off. I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good. Aww, I guess you missed the good old Ryze where you just ran up to someone and slammed your head against the keyboard and got a kill every time your ult was up. He was so nice if you were afraid of skillshots I played Ryze in my first game and that's exactly what happened. I carried my team to the point where people were complimenting me and surprised to hear it was my first game. Felt good man. Queued up again and I've been getting stomped ever since. I hit 600 Elo once (and then rode LB/Ahri to 1200). Anyone been farther down in the depths Elo Hell than me?
A friend of mine tried to get to the lowest depths but at ~400 even while intentionally feeding or afking he would still win games and couldn't go lower lol.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
I think that's actually Elo Heaven.
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On June 26 2013 06:48 silencefc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode. Is your minimap on the left? If it is you need to change it for LoLrecorder as well for chat to show up. Haven't found a fix for spectator yet.
It's on right, you can't invert the minimap in spec mode or replay afaik.
On June 26 2013 06:46 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode. Try going into the menu, turning off option for all chat, confirm the change, then open the menu again and turn it back on.
First thing I tried, didn't work 
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regarding trynd the dude is fucking annoying. teams in soloq have trouble dealing with someone that straight up split pushes all day. at least around my level. i've had too many games where we either don't fight or send too many to deal with split push. it's too similar to ap trynd :l
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 26 2013 07:01 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:46 MoonBear wrote:On June 26 2013 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode. Try going into the menu, turning off option for all chat, confirm the change, then open the menu again and turn it back on. First thing I tried, didn't work
Go the directory you installed LoL in. Then open the folder Config. Backup the file game.cfg somewhere. Now open game.cfg and under the heading [HUD] delete the lines ShowAllChannelChatSpectator=1 and ChatScale=###. You'll need to reset your chat settings afterwards.
And if that doesn't work, just delete the game.cfg file. You'll need to then redo all your in-game settings (like HUD, minimap, music, colourblind mode, resolution, etc.) though.
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On June 26 2013 06:49 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:46 JonGalt wrote:On June 26 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...
You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME. o.O My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful. Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything. My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not. Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is. What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game? No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs. As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense. I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with. I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post? I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all. I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12. Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off. I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good. Aww, I guess you missed the good old Ryze where you just ran up to someone and slammed your head against the keyboard and got a kill every time your ult was up. He was so nice if you were afraid of skillshots I played Ryze in my first game and that's exactly what happened. I carried my team to the point where people were complimenting me and surprised to hear it was my first game. Felt good man. Queued up again and I've been getting stomped ever since. I hit 600 Elo once (and then rode LB/Ahri to 1200). Anyone been farther down in the depths Elo Hell than me? A friend of mine tried to get to the lowest depths but at ~400 even while intentionally feeding or afking he would still win games and couldn't go lower lol.
My room-mate made it below 0 Elo in season 2. he trolled down to around 200-300 then had to dodge the rest of the way losing 10 elo at a time because losing was complete luck even if he purposely fed and baited his team. He is a low silver/high bronze player and he was able to go on an over 50 game winning streak when climbing back up. I remember a game where he got a double kill while afk under tower because his character auto attacked the enemy while they died to tower trying to kill him. The games at that low of Elo are very depressing.
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On June 26 2013 07:09 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 07:01 HazMat wrote:On June 26 2013 06:46 MoonBear wrote:On June 26 2013 06:42 HazMat wrote:
I think I somehow moved my chat box off the screen in spectator mode so I don't get the chat box (though I can hear chat) when I'm in LoLrecorder or just spectating in the client. Is there a way to fix this? Note: I get chat in game, just not in spec mode. Try going into the menu, turning off option for all chat, confirm the change, then open the menu again and turn it back on. First thing I tried, didn't work Go the directory you installed LoL in. Then open the folder Config. Backup the file game.cfg somewhere. Now open game.cfg and under the heading [HUD] delete the lines ShowAllChannelChatSpectator=1 and ChatScale=###. You'll need to reset your chat settings afterwards. And if that doesn't work, just delete the game.cfg file. You'll need to then redo all your in-game settings (like HUD, minimap, music, colourblind mode, resolution, etc.) though.
Ah thank you, that's what I was looking for. I always forget where to find the file though.
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On June 26 2013 06:44 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:23 Spaiku wrote:
What do you guys think about Tryndamere?
Op, hidden op, must ban ? He keeps destroying my games everytime he wins his lane pick nasus profit
I do this all the time and I still find Tryn infuriating. Even if he dies like 6 times, it still takes so much effort to deal with him. If your team leaves him alone for extremely prolonged periods of time (which happens in solo que), eventually he can start knocking down turrets fast enough that he will probably get them even if you can kill him. Then it becomes a battle of can your team react well enough at your inhib towers to win. I've almost lost games where my siphoning strike was at around 1000 and I had a full 6 item build because Tryn was busy killing inhib turrets through my wither almost faster than I could kill him. If the Tryn is any good, it always feels like the side inhibitors go down. My team usually wins, but it is an absolute struggle.
It'll probably be better once they change bounties so dying repeatedly hurts more. It's more the fact that he can just suicide endlessly without much consequence than the splitpushing itself.
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On June 26 2013 07:21 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:44 Slayer91 wrote:On June 26 2013 06:23 Spaiku wrote:
What do you guys think about Tryndamere?
Op, hidden op, must ban ? He keeps destroying my games everytime he wins his lane pick nasus profit I do this all the time and I still find Tryn infuriating. Even if he dies like 6 times, it still takes so much effort to deal with him. If your team leaves him alone for extremely prolonged periods of time (which happens in solo que), eventually he can start knocking down turrets fast enough that he will probably get them even if you can kill him. Then it becomes a battle of can your team react well enough at your inhib towers to win. I've almost lost games where my siphoning strike was at around 1000 and I had a full 6 item build because Tryn was busy killing inhib turrets through my wither almost faster than I could kill him. If the Tryn is any good, it always feels like the side inhibitors go down. My team usually wins, but it is an absolute struggle. It'll probably be better once they change bounties so dying repeatedly hurts more. It's more the fact that he can just suicide endlessly without much consequence than the splitpushing itself, so you're never really going to deny him farm (at least as Nasus).
not sure what ur doing but if you have a lot of Q it does 30-40% of his hp and W rapes his attack speed
also pushing 5v4 after he dies
maybe get TP to defend against backdoors not sure
dont let him outpush you ever tho
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I said I win most of my games when going Nasus against Tryn, it just gets really dicey. It essentially comes down to, "can I trust my teammates to react properly in a 4v4 or react to split pushing well enough that I don't want to rip my hair out?" and the answer is usually no.
Which generally leads to the game being decided when I can lock up Tryn and two shot him, but not before then. To me that qualifies as infuriating because dealing with split pushing for 20+ minutes late game is not fun. That doesn't make it OP.
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