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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I get lots of bug splats. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
Also I buff donate while heavily counter jungling. It definitely makes lanes a lot easier though there are certain disadvantages as well. (They tend to attract heavy jungle attention which ironically makes your own counter jungling not as useful so I'm trying to find the right balance). This is at high gold to medium plat btw. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 23 2013 04:09 KissBlade wrote: I should point out TROLLS did discover Nasus jungle WAY before pros started using it public. Well since there were no tournaments in that point of time we couldn't really see what they were practicing.They really didn't have a reason to show it. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On June 23 2013 04:10 nafta wrote: Well since there were no tournaments in that point of time we couldn't really see what they were practicing.They really didn't have a reason to show it. That's not the point but rather that independent of "meta", they have discovered valid new strats regardless of their supposed level. Don't get me wrong. I obviously do think there are flaws as well to TROLLs (for ex. Monte is much more skilled than his normal/ranked ELO often biasing the results) but to dismiss it as just some noob testing ground, is really unfair. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
20k viewers (youtube) for a Regional tournament in LAS | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 23 2013 04:09 KissBlade wrote: I should point out TROLLS did discover Nasus jungle WAY before pros started using it public. Also I buff donate while heavily counter jungling. It definitely makes lanes a lot easier though there are certain disadvantages as well. (They tend to attract heavy jungle attention which ironically makes your own counter jungling not as useful so I'm trying to find the right balance). This is at high gold to medium plat btw. pretty sure trolls "discovered" support nasus and a few tl memebers jungled him to "abuse the crit bug" (mostly monte i think) only yango suggested playing him purely for utility with W E and R and not bothering with the farm q to a million thing | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On June 23 2013 04:34 Scip wrote: And they also discovered jungle TF and AD carry Jayce and support Nidalee and a million of other things that don't work Everyone tries out things that don't work. They didn't say all of those things were actually good. Also C9 has used Jayce bottom as recently as last week, so it's at least good enough to make it into a random LCS game. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
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Aldrovandi
United States211 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On June 23 2013 04:47 ArchAngelSC wrote: Support nidalee was around wayyy before TROLLS its funny i used to play support nidalee (when forced to sup) I even thought its "ok" but one day somebody else did that to me when i was adc, since then i never pick nid | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 23 2013 04:32 Slayer91 wrote: pretty sure trolls "discovered" support nasus and a few tl memebers jungled him to "abuse the crit bug" (mostly monte i think) Yeah, jungle Nasus was all Monte. Can't really attribute that to TROLLS. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On June 23 2013 03:30 Scip wrote: Feel free to post which junglers with what runes/masteries you tried. I was never playing jungle, so you'll have to ask Monte, but like I said, we tried Karthus, Zac, Shen and Shaco. We also theorized that it would work with jungle Nunu, Malphite, Zed, Skarner, Mundo and Lee Sin. There are probably others. Karthus worked the best in the tests, and he really seems like a poster boy for this strategy. He has absolutely no use for red buff at all besides exp, clears VERY fast, and is perfectly comfortable simply farming until 6. Simply clearing he will still hit 6 on the 7 minute blue buff, which is similar to when he'd hit 6 in mid lane anyway. You first pick Karthus, then let the opposing team pick a mid lane Karthus counter, then pick a bruiser like Wukong who can take red and bully the hell out of them. Wukongs level 2 is ridiculous, and he'll hit level 3 and get his escape skill right around the same time the enemy jungler hits level 3 and goes to gank, making him also very safe. Wukong can grab a Brutalizer to bully the lane and then after that build tanky to make up for having an AP Carry in the jungle. What's so bad about that? Also, we've tried a bunch of things in TROLLS that turned out to be complete crap. But that's sort of the point, isn't it? The entire point is to try things that are unconventional and see if they are unconventional because they suck or if they're good and simply unconventional because nobody gets to try them in solo queue. We were literally doing Nasus jungle two months before Diamondprox did it in LCS, and the video about crazy Nasus crits that was directly responsible for getting it nerfed was made by Monte. Jungle Nasus is kind of Monte's lovechild. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
While it is true that Monte was the one to theorise it and see its potential, it's also typically the kind of stuff that T.R.O.L.L.S. can study then test. When trying jungle Nasus with crit marks made people realise how omgwtfbbq is utility (and early damage through E) is, and that he's more Wither than +300-Siphoning Strike, they went on to try support Nasus. Obviously it didn't always work, but before the Wither nerf I think the idea had merits. It's highly dependant on match-ups (the way support Fiddle wrecks MF but is super vulnerable to Graves, for example), and certainly not "optimal", but I'd argue that it isn't worse than other match-up dependant supports with niche like Morgana (or maybe Lux). It's not conclusive (as in you won't see it in the LCS or make it mainstream at high Elo) but the reasoning behind it, and willingness to try, had merits. On June 22 2013 23:48 Scip wrote: I didn't say that Trolls should be a high level discussion thread, I said that was the idea of it before Seuss hijacked it. Something I am still somewhat bitter about because it created confusion at first. I criticized the way trolls "improves" people a little bit, but my main point was unusability of their data. We could discuss just how it affects player development but that's tangential. Trolls could function as a serious discussion thread if it wasnt linked to a weekly series of 1400 elo normal draft games on NA server. I would have posted that specific Vi post in GD thread, or in a Vi thread without a very basic and outdated guide (I remember the moment of me posting it quite well), but I agree that having already made champion threads (guides no necessary) does help fuel discussion. Not sure what your point is though, is it an argument against diamond only forum? I actually can't really deny your points. It's more the posture, tho: sure, Monte "hijacked" T.R.O.L.L.S., but noone was forbidden to run a similar initiative (since he didn't hijack the Diamond players). About the "diamond only forum", as Yango pointed out we aren't a huge community, and it's true that a bunch of highly ranked players who were regulars here don't post anymore (some because they don't play anymore, some because they got tired of us scrubs calling them out), however if we don't have the population/willingness to have those discussions as of now, how would adding that restricted thread/forum improve it? Unless it brings more talkative Diamond players "from outside", I don't see it changing much. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I think (though I am not sure) that bly08 felt about it the same way. Not like what we thought back then or now matters anymore anyway | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On June 23 2013 05:21 Scip wrote: as I said, I am still bitter about it because there was a real demand for a thing like that back then so Trolls got made and we all thought that's going to be cool and all but then within like 4 hours it turned out to be something completely different and the demand for something more organized high level died down. I think (though I am not sure) that bly08 felt about it the same way. Not like what we thought back then or now matters anymore anyway ???I'm pretty sure the demand for high level analysis and theory is still there. For example, I'm always stalking LiquidPractice channel for tips from the higher level players. I pretty much skim over most posts now days except for posts from those I recognize are higher level tips. I'd actually really like to see high level theory in thread/channel. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It would probably make us better players. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
he can also easily test things in ranked and have a better reference since everyones pretty high elo | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Yeah, I am european and probably gonna have a reliable team within the week to satisfy my want for testing. | ||
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