Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

May 16 2013 20:41 GMT

#401

On May 17 2013 05:33 Kupon3ss wrote:
This patch is pretty solid and definitely in line with riot balancing patterns, the changes will have the western teams a better chance at the upcoming All-star match

Pretty sure All-Stars won't be on this current 3.07 patch.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

May 16 2013 20:42 GMT

#402

On May 17 2013 05:40 KarlKaliente wrote:

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Why do you say that? Do the fixes benefit the western players' preferred champs? Or does a more 'balanced' game benefit the lesser skilled players that can't exploit strengths as well?

Just curious why you think that,

Nerfs to tf. Definite improves na chances.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

May 16 2013 20:45 GMT

#403

On May 17 2013 05:42 wei2coolman wrote:

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Nerfs to tf. Definite improves na chances.

So they don't pick it right?Damn riot always looking out for na.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

May 16 2013 20:47 GMT

#404

On May 17 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Edit: Also I'm pretty pleased Riot finally came out and said Pick order > Call order.

They did it so late it's like they decided to wait for us to pick a side and then finally joined the winning side. Like the Lannisters Robert's Rebellion or the Italian in WW2.

Lmui

Canada6213 Posts

May 16 2013 20:52 GMT

#405

On May 17 2013 01:05 Requizen wrote:
We had a lot of math concerning Cait's AS changes, here's VVinrar's analysis:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/24270-how-does-patch-3-7-affect-caitlyns-dps

Same conclusion I came to. Weaker early game, breaks even ~level 12 with zerks, and slightly better off at level 18 unless she has 3 AS items.

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

May 16 2013 20:53 GMT

#406

On May 17 2013 05:47 obesechicken13 wrote:

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They did it so late it's like they decided to wait for us to pick a side and then finally joined the winning side. Like the Lannisters Robert's Rebellion or the Italian in WW2.

The Italians were pretty definitively on the losing side for a very long time, iirc.

Mensol

14536 Posts

May 16 2013 20:57 GMT

#407

im so happy with cait nerfs, hope they will nerf draven too.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

May 16 2013 21:01 GMT

#408

On May 17 2013 05:52 Lmui wrote:

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Same conclusion I came to. Weaker early game, breaks even ~level 12 with zerks, and slightly better off at level 18 unless she has 3 AS items.

Eh? With the changes, she will break even at lvl 10 without any additional AS.

overt

United States9006 Posts

May 16 2013 21:06 GMT

#409

It doesn't really matter. Caitlyn's still got one of, if not the, best lane phases in the game and her late game is essentially unchanged. So she'll still be completely fine for 99% of people who will play her. Any situations where I would've picked Caitlyn before, I'm gonna continue to pick Caitlyn in.

Maybe she won't see as much play in competitive but she'll still have a place there in siege or poke comps.

never_Nal

Costa Rica676 Posts

May 16 2013 21:10 GMT

#410

Rumble changes just reward good rumble players, he will dominate lane, 50% extra damage on Danger zone is too good

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

May 16 2013 21:11 GMT

#411

Since range is such an important stat and is impossible to increase by any means, Cait will pretty much always remain relevant unless they reduce it or utterly gut her in other respects.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 16 2013 21:20 GMT

#412

On May 17 2013 06:01 Sponkz wrote:

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Eh? With the changes, she will break even at lvl 10 without any additional AS.

I think its if you assume you have Zerks, because the AS on them is weaker because of the base AS change.

Also why would they not play on the new patch? It seems like tomfoolery to play on the old patch with Zac and Zed enabled. They made the nerfs for a reason. On the other hand, only Nunu would need to be monitored/disabled for the new patch, and no one plays him that much comparatively.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

May 16 2013 21:22 GMT

#413

Trying out this as a custom item set for all my champs, thoughts?

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Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

May 16 2013 21:23 GMT

#414

@Diamond

I'm gonna steal that idea, thanks!

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

May 16 2013 21:23 GMT

#415

That's exactly what I was going to do. I don't think there's really a need to have any other pages, honestly.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

May 16 2013 21:25 GMT

#416

On May 17 2013 05:08 kainzero wrote:

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since i started playing lissy top i'm having a lot more success. there is a lot of temptation to initiate with E, ult yourself or someone nearby, then root and get out of there. but you usually never get out of there.

instead, i've found a lot more success using E to either chase post-fight or escape, using ult as a second-initiate or counterinitiate, and then conservatively staying in the back firing Qs and using Ws defensively to kite or peel.

if you play to burst, you lose your sustained damage through Q because you just die once you unload your cooldowns.

I find her level 6 burst to be pretty good against other Mid laners but I agree with the rest of your points. Frozen Tomb is an excellent follow up initiation and I find ulting an enemy more useful than ulting myself 90% of the time. It's also really good against assassins. Oh you're diving me? That's cute, eat an Ice Tomb while I E away.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

May 16 2013 21:26 GMT

#417

On May 17 2013 06:10 never_Nal wrote:
Rumble changes just reward good rumble players, he will dominate lane, 50% extra damage on Danger zone is too good

Still weaker than the pre-nerf Q in danger zone I think. So...

overt

United States9006 Posts

May 16 2013 21:29 GMT

#418

So thinking about Diana shield nerfs some more, they make her laning a lot less scary but that shield is gonna be crazy in team fights. Assuming you pop all three orbs before taking any damage (fairly common in a fight that you're gonna initiate or that you second initiate on) you end up with what is essentially a 200 damage shield with a .6 AP ratio.

Although in skirmishes, 1v1s, and situations where you can't get all three orbs to pop before taking much damage you end up with a much weaker shield that also does less damage.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

May 16 2013 21:31 GMT

#419

On May 17 2013 06:22 Diamond wrote:
Trying out this as a custom item set for all my champs, thoughts?

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Your section headers need work.

Mine are:

BEST USAIN BOLT NA
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-boots

BEST JUNGLER NA
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-machete (seriously, that's it. maybe i'll combine this and "BEST USAIN BOLT NA")

BEST SUPPORT NA
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-sightstone
-emblem of valor
-rejuv/faerie
-kindlegem
-wards
-oracles

BEST DLIFT NA
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-vamp sceptre
-pickaxe
-bfsword
-phantom dancer
-bork

BEST NUKES NA
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-amp tome
-blasting wand
-needlessly large rod
-chalice
-seekers

BEST BAITS NA
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-warmog's
-glacial shroud
-warden's mail
-nmm
-negatron

the idea is that i can access basically every item with one or two clicks.

Chrispy

Canada5878 Posts

May 16 2013 21:34 GMT

#420

On May 17 2013 05:47 obesechicken13 wrote:

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They did it so late it's like they decided to wait for us to pick a side and then finally joined the winning side. Like the Lannisters Robert's Rebellion or the Italian in WW2.

Riot is literally worse than Tywin.
And literally worse than Mussolini.