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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 16 2013 20:41 GMT
#401
On May 17 2013 05:33 Kupon3ss wrote:
This patch is pretty solid and definitely in line with riot balancing patterns, the changes will have the western teams a better chance at the upcoming All-star match


Pretty sure All-Stars won't be on this current 3.07 patch.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 16 2013 20:42 GMT
#402
On May 17 2013 05:40 KarlKaliente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 05:33 Kupon3ss wrote:
This patch is pretty solid and definitely in line with riot balancing patterns, the changes will have the western teams a better chance at the upcoming All-star match


Why do you say that? Do the fixes benefit the western players' preferred champs? Or does a more 'balanced' game benefit the lesser skilled players that can't exploit strengths as well?

Just curious why you think that,

Nerfs to tf. Definite improves na chances.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 16 2013 20:45 GMT
#403
On May 17 2013 05:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 05:40 KarlKaliente wrote:
On May 17 2013 05:33 Kupon3ss wrote:
This patch is pretty solid and definitely in line with riot balancing patterns, the changes will have the western teams a better chance at the upcoming All-star match


Why do you say that? Do the fixes benefit the western players' preferred champs? Or does a more 'balanced' game benefit the lesser skilled players that can't exploit strengths as well?

Just curious why you think that,

Nerfs to tf. Definite improves na chances.


So they don't pick it right?Damn riot always looking out for na.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 16 2013 20:47 GMT
#404
On May 17 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Edit: Also I'm pretty pleased Riot finally came out and said Pick order > Call order.

They did it so late it's like they decided to wait for us to pick a side and then finally joined the winning side. Like the Lannisters Robert's Rebellion or the Italian in WW2.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 20:52:56
May 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#405
On May 17 2013 01:05 Requizen wrote:
We had a lot of math concerning Cait's AS changes, here's VVinrar's analysis:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/24270-how-does-patch-3-7-affect-caitlyns-dps



Same conclusion I came to. Weaker early game, breaks even ~level 12 with zerks, and slightly better off at level 18 unless she has 3 AS items.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 16 2013 20:53 GMT
#406
On May 17 2013 05:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Edit: Also I'm pretty pleased Riot finally came out and said Pick order > Call order.

They did it so late it's like they decided to wait for us to pick a side and then finally joined the winning side. Like the Lannisters Robert's Rebellion or the Italian in WW2.


The Italians were pretty definitively on the losing side for a very long time, iirc.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 16 2013 20:57 GMT
#407
im so happy with cait nerfs, hope they will nerf draven too.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 16 2013 21:01 GMT
#408
On May 17 2013 05:52 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:05 Requizen wrote:
We had a lot of math concerning Cait's AS changes, here's VVinrar's analysis:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/24270-how-does-patch-3-7-affect-caitlyns-dps



Same conclusion I came to. Weaker early game, breaks even ~level 12 with zerks, and slightly better off at level 18 unless she has 3 AS items.



Eh? With the changes, she will break even at lvl 10 without any additional AS.
hi
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 16 2013 21:06 GMT
#409
It doesn't really matter. Caitlyn's still got one of, if not the, best lane phases in the game and her late game is essentially unchanged. So she'll still be completely fine for 99% of people who will play her. Any situations where I would've picked Caitlyn before, I'm gonna continue to pick Caitlyn in.

Maybe she won't see as much play in competitive but she'll still have a place there in siege or poke comps.
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
May 16 2013 21:10 GMT
#410
Rumble changes just reward good rumble players, he will dominate lane, 50% extra damage on Danger zone is too good
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 21:13:51
May 16 2013 21:11 GMT
#411
Since range is such an important stat and is impossible to increase by any means, Cait will pretty much always remain relevant unless they reduce it or utterly gut her in other respects.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 16 2013 21:20 GMT
#412
On May 17 2013 06:01 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 05:52 Lmui wrote:
On May 17 2013 01:05 Requizen wrote:
We had a lot of math concerning Cait's AS changes, here's VVinrar's analysis:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/24270-how-does-patch-3-7-affect-caitlyns-dps



Same conclusion I came to. Weaker early game, breaks even ~level 12 with zerks, and slightly better off at level 18 unless she has 3 AS items.



Eh? With the changes, she will break even at lvl 10 without any additional AS.


I think its if you assume you have Zerks, because the AS on them is weaker because of the base AS change.

Also why would they not play on the new patch? It seems like tomfoolery to play on the old patch with Zac and Zed enabled. They made the nerfs for a reason. On the other hand, only Nunu would need to be monitored/disabled for the new patch, and no one plays him that much comparatively.
Freeeeeeedom
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 21:22:51
May 16 2013 21:22 GMT
#413
Trying out this as a custom item set for all my champs, thoughts?

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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 16 2013 21:23 GMT
#414
@Diamond

I'm gonna steal that idea, thanks!
hi
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2013 21:23 GMT
#415
That's exactly what I was going to do. I don't think there's really a need to have any other pages, honestly.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 16 2013 21:25 GMT
#416
On May 17 2013 05:08 kainzero wrote:
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On May 17 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 17 2013 03:43 Sufficiency wrote:
This Lissandra doesn't seem to do any damage at all.

When I play her she does damage >_>

I'm not sure if you are doing this, but I think one of the reasons this might seem to be is a lot of people are tunnel visioned on using their E as an initiation. While that's cool and all, you're also removing .6 scaling AP ratio from your burst which is not inconsequential. If I can harras with Q through the creep wave until I hit six I find that ulting someone, throwing E at them, teleporting to it, using W and then Q does a pretty good amount of burst.

Edit: Also I'm pretty pleased Riot finally came out and said Pick order > Call order.

since i started playing lissy top i'm having a lot more success. there is a lot of temptation to initiate with E, ult yourself or someone nearby, then root and get out of there. but you usually never get out of there.

instead, i've found a lot more success using E to either chase post-fight or escape, using ult as a second-initiate or counterinitiate, and then conservatively staying in the back firing Qs and using Ws defensively to kite or peel.

if you play to burst, you lose your sustained damage through Q because you just die once you unload your cooldowns.

I find her level 6 burst to be pretty good against other Mid laners but I agree with the rest of your points. Frozen Tomb is an excellent follow up initiation and I find ulting an enemy more useful than ulting myself 90% of the time. It's also really good against assassins. Oh you're diving me? That's cute, eat an Ice Tomb while I E away.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 16 2013 21:26 GMT
#417
On May 17 2013 06:10 never_Nal wrote:
Rumble changes just reward good rumble players, he will dominate lane, 50% extra damage on Danger zone is too good


Still weaker than the pre-nerf Q in danger zone I think. So...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#418
So thinking about Diana shield nerfs some more, they make her laning a lot less scary but that shield is gonna be crazy in team fights. Assuming you pop all three orbs before taking any damage (fairly common in a fight that you're gonna initiate or that you second initiate on) you end up with what is essentially a 200 damage shield with a .6 AP ratio.

Although in skirmishes, 1v1s, and situations where you can't get all three orbs to pop before taking much damage you end up with a much weaker shield that also does less damage.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 21:31:50
May 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#419
On May 17 2013 06:22 Diamond wrote:
Trying out this as a custom item set for all my champs, thoughts?

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Your section headers need work.

Mine are:

BEST USAIN BOLT NA
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-boots


BEST JUNGLER NA
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-machete (seriously, that's it. maybe i'll combine this and "BEST USAIN BOLT NA")


BEST SUPPORT NA
+ Show Spoiler +
-sightstone
-emblem of valor
-rejuv/faerie
-kindlegem
-wards
-oracles


BEST DLIFT NA
+ Show Spoiler +
-vamp sceptre
-pickaxe
-bfsword
-phantom dancer
-bork


BEST NUKES NA
+ Show Spoiler +
-amp tome
-blasting wand
-needlessly large rod
-chalice
-seekers


BEST BAITS NA
+ Show Spoiler +
-warmog's
-glacial shroud
-warden's mail
-nmm
-negatron


the idea is that i can access basically every item with one or two clicks.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 21:34:47
May 16 2013 21:34 GMT
#420
On May 17 2013 05:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Edit: Also I'm pretty pleased Riot finally came out and said Pick order > Call order.

They did it so late it's like they decided to wait for us to pick a side and then finally joined the winning side. Like the Lannisters Robert's Rebellion or the Italian in WW2.


Riot is literally worse than Tywin.
And literally worse than Mussolini.
Retvrn to Forvms
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