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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 10:24:29
May 28 2013 10:24 GMT
#3441
Hey guys,

Are you interested in the Runes/Masteries from the OGN recaps If yes I would add these to our weekly recaps.

They would look like this


Please give feedback
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 10:45:46
May 28 2013 10:24 GMT
#3442
On May 28 2013 05:17 Scip wrote:
Teutonica doesn't even main jungle anymore I don't think, he feeds with things like Leona support (creating the verb "to teutonica" - to go full retard as leona on bottom lvl 1/2 and giving the enemy double kill) and then he just plays random shit. His 1 month hiatus didn't help his gameplay either

OMG I got Graveler as my new icon, sick


You're just jelly because no matter what your efforts im still basically the same elo as you

The only reason that I play jungle less is you constantly inviting me to duo q and basically having to dodge if you cant get jungle. (or you have to play ad and I carry the shit out of you in lane)
Nice try scip, nice try

The leona shit is just BAD TEAMMATES! When they say they're goingto level 2 gank from red and I say "im going to go full retard then", you can bet your ass im going to find a way to get into a fight before the first creep dies. Its your own fault if you go around to lane gank instead of taking the direct route

Oh whats this, your last 8 ranked games in your history played without me, score is 2 win 7 losses?
I rest my case your honour.

Also, I'm pretty sure jogging actually isn't that great a way to lose weight because exercises like that tend to be mostly endurance test. Although it's great for your health and fitness in terms of burning calories, afaik the easiest way is to put on lots of muscle and they passively raise your metabolism just for upkeep, and you burn more all day. (basically like gp10)
Can you be any more bad at this being 'right about stuff' thing scip?!
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 28 2013 10:29 GMT
#3443
On May 28 2013 19:24 Chexx wrote:
Hey guys,

Are you interested in the Runes/Masteries from the OGN recaps If yes I would add these to our weekly recaps.

They would look like this


Please give feedback


I would say if there's something unique ie. unconventional pick or strange runes then yes.

Also, why the hell do they run 6.7 magic resist?!
Retvrn to Forvms
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 28 2013 10:29 GMT
#3444
On May 28 2013 19:04 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 15:28 arb wrote:
On May 28 2013 13:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
I am posting so i can see what post icon I have.

Man, I went back and played some 64 and Melee, those games move so freaking fast, I can barely tell what's happening when I play now, man I'm getting old. Everyone made fun of me for playing Kirby and Pikachu The fact that they're OP explains how I won so much though :<. Brawl would be a good game except for a couple things, Nintendo pls, nerf Metaknight.

Idunno, Lurkers were never really a problem for me to deal with in BW, though PvZ was definitely my best matchup. 80% of Zergs I played just tried to contain me with them, and I just said fuck you and spammed zealot drops while building HT and carriers.

When over 1/2 your supply is in expensive gas units that don't shoot up, you lose.

Trundle is truly a troll character because in teamfights he basically gets a hp reset every time an enemy champ dies. It's like that Dominion/TT item Overlord's Bloodmail, but better.

i remember my days in the d ranks too
lolol

I wonder how high most people in this forum was in BW now after these icon debates personally, i was Cish before i stopped.

D+ baby. This one time I was close to a C-, but then people started to learn how to defend vs. my cheesy shit and I didn't really have the APM to manage more than 3 bases as Zerg... so yea, basically I sucked ass.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 10:38:08
May 28 2013 10:34 GMT
#3445
I played the shit out of iccup just after TSL 1 account and I managed to get my hightime achievement of C+ fuck yeah but I didn't understand jack about the basics of economy and snowballing and shit and I just survived off basically having good mechanics and a pretty good overall strategy

(was just a D+ or C- if i played a bunch player other than that, my strong ZvZ and ZvT carried me to C+ in TSL days)

like when I saw jaedong play and how much shit he had it just blew my mind
then years later when sc2 came out and i had more experience mathematically i was suddenly like holy shit so this is how it works

Chylouk
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom30 Posts
May 28 2013 10:37 GMT
#3446
When can we get our complete section? Then I can hide all the other bits and just see the lol information!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 28 2013 10:39 GMT
#3447
On May 28 2013 19:24 Chexx wrote:
Hey guys,

Are you interested in the Runes/Masteries from the OGN recaps If yes I would add these to our weekly recaps.

They would look like this


Please give feedback

I personally welcome the idea, please make it happen, after 1 and a half year of playing LOL, I still don't know jackshit about runes/masteries and how they work against a special matchup. This would help out alot.
<3
Terran
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23420 Posts
May 28 2013 10:42 GMT
#3448
the 6.7 magic resist thing is just not being comfortable playing early game with 30 mr but not feeling its necessary to have the full 43, so they just go fuck it and take the average and leave it at that. There is no perfect answer sometimes
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 10:57:11
May 28 2013 10:53 GMT
#3449
Uh... Trundle top lane can't push for shit, he's aa reliant, even Jax (passive and aa reset, then ult passive), Wukong (E and aa reset), Irelia (aa and cd reset, spammable AoE ult) can push lane faster than him. You can either play a ranged and harass him to death, or just something that can farm/clear from afar, shove the lane in his face and go make plays. Trundle's like a toplane Swain in that regard, except that he's harder to 100-0 and compensates lack of sustain with better resistances.

Plus if his sustain annoys you, just try fighting Cho, who has better range, harass, burst, gank assist, lower cooldowns, pushing power, and above all sustain (20 + 3/level HP > 2-3% of a minion's health). Oh, and unless your team has weak repositioning ability/kiting, Cho also has stronger utility later on. So...

On May 28 2013 13:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Trundle is truly a troll character because in teamfights he basically gets a hp reset every time an enemy champ dies. It's like that Dominion/TT item Overlord's Bloodmail, but better.

Something like 120 HP heal against a 2K HP champ, if you go that route Udyr is harder to take down so long as Trundle's ult isn't fully charged or the enemy team doesn't die all in a row to make up for Turtle's CD (and in that case, well... you don't really care about not dying).

About the cc chain and laser question, there's a video somewhere on youtube of "themed" team, the hook one (Alistar, Urgot, Blitzcrank, Poppy, can't remember the last one, prob Skarner) got hold of somebody near the base entrance and dragged him all the main to the fountain.

Edit: about the rune thing, looks like a bit of work, so yeah, maybe only when the pick/runepage is non-standard? It's still interesting data.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 28 2013 10:55 GMT
#3450
I was C- most of my time playing BW. I was really close to B- for about a week, and then I lost like 20 straight games while mass gaming on tilt and fell back to where I probably belonged.

Well, I probably wasn't that close to B- in reality, was on same page of ladder as two of them. lol. Just remember being real excited that I didn't suck.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 28 2013 10:56 GMT
#3451
On May 28 2013 19:42 Slayer91 wrote:
the 6.7 magic resist thing is just not being comfortable playing early game with 30 mr but not feeling its necessary to have the full 43, so they just go fuck it and take the average and leave it at that. There is no perfect answer sometimes


I think it's because he wants a flat 20 AP, and then puts MR runes in the remainder.

That said, I'd love to see some non-standard runepages put up. While I do have quite a mix of rune pages, a lot of them are specialized, and I might get some new ideas.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 28 2013 10:57 GMT
#3452
On May 28 2013 19:21 OutlaW- wrote:
Is this the right place to ask this? I've been trying to login for 15 minutes now and always getting this -.-
[image loading]
Is there a way to fix this, I remember I got it yesterday as well but it eventually went away


Lots of people have been complaining about this (e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f4w3o/i_dont_wanna_restart_my_routercomputer_5_times_a/ )

There's a load of different "fixes" suggested by people but for me the only thing that works is to restart my computer.
No I'm never serious.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
May 28 2013 11:02 GMT
#3453
On May 28 2013 19:57 Nytefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 19:21 OutlaW- wrote:
Is this the right place to ask this? I've been trying to login for 15 minutes now and always getting this -.-
[image loading]
Is there a way to fix this, I remember I got it yesterday as well but it eventually went away


Lots of people have been complaining about this (e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f4w3o/i_dont_wanna_restart_my_routercomputer_5_times_a/ )

There's a load of different "fixes" suggested by people but for me the only thing that works is to restart my computer.



Oh god this error, I normally get this when I improperly shutdown LoL, and the only thing that fixed it was a complete uninstall removnig registry keys etc)) and reinstall of lol.

Some other people say some weird stuff opening IE, and setting it to work offline, and then set it to work online..and just some crazy stuff like that, but the only thing that worked for me was a complete reinstall.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
May 28 2013 11:02 GMT
#3454
On May 28 2013 19:04 wussleeQ wrote:
I wonder how high most people in this forum was in BW now after these icon debates personally, i was Cish before i stopped.



I was B steady with a high of B+. Man I miss playing BW on iccup and following the proleagues. LoL is also fun to follow and play but just not the same, and SC2 I tried, I really tried, but it was just a completely different game, and very unfun for me to play or even watch.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 11:05:35
May 28 2013 11:03 GMT
#3455
On May 28 2013 19:53 Alaric wrote:
Uh... Trundle top lane can't push for shit, he's aa reliant, even Jax (passive and aa reset, then ult passive), Wukong (E and aa reset), Irelia (aa and cd reset, spammable AoE ult) can push lane faster than him. You can either play a ranged and harass him to death, or just something that can farm/clear from afar, shove the lane in his face and go make plays. Trundle's like a toplane Swain in that regard, except that he's harder to 100-0 and compensates lack of sustain with better resistances.

Plus if his sustain annoys you, just try fighting Cho, who has better range, harass, burst, gank assist, lower cooldowns, pushing power, and above all sustain (20 + 3/level HP > 2-3% of a minion's health). Oh, and unless your team has weak repositioning ability/kiting, Cho also has stronger utility later on. So...

Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 13:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Trundle is truly a troll character because in teamfights he basically gets a hp reset every time an enemy champ dies. It's like that Dominion/TT item Overlord's Bloodmail, but better.

Something like 120 HP heal against a 2K HP champ, if you go that route Udyr is harder to take down so long as Trundle's ult isn't fully charged or the enemy team doesn't die all in a row to make up for Turtle's CD (and in that case, well... you don't really care about not dying).

About the cc chain and laser question, there's a video somewhere on youtube of "themed" team, the hook one (Alistar, Urgot, Blitzcrank, Poppy, can't remember the last one, prob Skarner) got hold of somebody near the base entrance and dragged him all the main to the fountain.

Edit: about the rune thing, looks like a bit of work, so yeah, maybe only when the pick/runepage is non-standard? It's still interesting data.


trundles pushing power is decent if you have the mana, strong ad steriod as steriod and a short cd auto reset.
he is one of the strongest straight 1v1's and with decent sustain he can recover pretty well
ranged champs are strong against him for sure, but he's not the worst against that.
chogath also cant trade for shit against trundle, but he might be able to stay on lane
trundle also destroys chogath later on because pillar combined with his massive size and the fact that FoN is no longer in the game he becomes really easy to poke and you also steal a bunch of his health with your ult.

trundles retarded strong and you're just underestimating him a lot

On May 28 2013 19:56 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 19:42 Slayer91 wrote:
the 6.7 magic resist thing is just not being comfortable playing early game with 30 mr but not feeling its necessary to have the full 43, so they just go fuck it and take the average and leave it at that. There is no perfect answer sometimes


I think it's because he wants a flat 20 AP, and then puts MR runes in the remainder.

That said, I'd love to see some non-standard runepages put up. While I do have quite a mix of rune pages, a lot of them are specialized, and I might get some new ideas.


why 20? why not 15? why not 25?
they just put in 5 mr glyphs and then fill the rest with whatever they want, attack speed mr/lvl, flat mr if laning vs an ap, ap
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 28 2013 11:12 GMT
#3456
B+ you noobs. Never managed to get the green one. :/

In 2v2 I got it but that obv. doesn't count.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 11:15:50
May 28 2013 11:14 GMT
#3457
On May 28 2013 20:03 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 19:53 Alaric wrote:
Uh... Trundle top lane can't push for shit, he's aa reliant, even Jax (passive and aa reset, then ult passive), Wukong (E and aa reset), Irelia (aa and cd reset, spammable AoE ult) can push lane faster than him. You can either play a ranged and harass him to death, or just something that can farm/clear from afar, shove the lane in his face and go make plays. Trundle's like a toplane Swain in that regard, except that he's harder to 100-0 and compensates lack of sustain with better resistances.

Plus if his sustain annoys you, just try fighting Cho, who has better range, harass, burst, gank assist, lower cooldowns, pushing power, and above all sustain (20 + 3/level HP > 2-3% of a minion's health). Oh, and unless your team has weak repositioning ability/kiting, Cho also has stronger utility later on. So...

On May 28 2013 13:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Trundle is truly a troll character because in teamfights he basically gets a hp reset every time an enemy champ dies. It's like that Dominion/TT item Overlord's Bloodmail, but better.

Something like 120 HP heal against a 2K HP champ, if you go that route Udyr is harder to take down so long as Trundle's ult isn't fully charged or the enemy team doesn't die all in a row to make up for Turtle's CD (and in that case, well... you don't really care about not dying).

About the cc chain and laser question, there's a video somewhere on youtube of "themed" team, the hook one (Alistar, Urgot, Blitzcrank, Poppy, can't remember the last one, prob Skarner) got hold of somebody near the base entrance and dragged him all the main to the fountain.

Edit: about the rune thing, looks like a bit of work, so yeah, maybe only when the pick/runepage is non-standard? It's still interesting data.


trundles pushing power is decent if you have the mana, strong ad steriod as steriod and a short cd auto reset.
he is one of the strongest straight 1v1's and with decent sustain he can recover pretty well
ranged champs are strong against him for sure, but he's not the worst against that.
chogath also cant trade for shit against trundle, but he might be able to stay on lane
trundle also destroys chogath later on because pillar combined with his massive size and the fact that FoN is no longer in the game he becomes really easy to poke and you also steal a bunch of his health with your ult.

trundles retarded strong and you're just underestimating him a lot

Oh, yeah, about Cho'Gath I didn't mean in the "pick against Trundle" sense, rather pointing out another pretty obnoxious "can't get shoved out of lane" champion in terms of sustain.
Then again I don't know really well which match-ups are bad for Cho'Gath, but if you don't shut him down really early I'd find him harder to deal with in lane (can't shove him, he can harass you at range with his spells and E, mana sustain, etc.).

As for Trundle I meant it more in a sense of "pick something like Zed/Kha/Jayce/Diana if you want a melee, play conservatively until you have enough levels/AD/AP/whatever to shove, then send every wave to his tower and go make plays elsewhere on the map" than facing him directly. If you do that you won't kill him anyway because that'd let him buy some lifesteal and sustain a bunch under tower with that and his passive (plus pillar and ult are pretty good antidive tools), but you can avoid fighting him, and you've got good scaling and roaming yourself so it's not a waste either.
Also using W every wave to not get shoved too much would tend to hurt his mana pool. He has low costs (especially since the Q buff) but his pool isn't the biggest there is.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 11:20:34
May 28 2013 11:19 GMT
#3458
ive beaten zeds hard with trundle, think i had a good gank or something though. Diana seems like a bad idea because her trading probably isnt good enough, jayce is jayce good everywhere and i think i beat a khazix without any problems too


the only way to insta push a wave top is to be already winning the lane because otherwise trnudle can keep you away from creeps or at least damage you a bit ifyou want to insta push. Besides trundles pushing isnt nearly slow enough that you can clear and roam like in mid lane or something unless he's out of mana.

as i said, you're just underestimating trundle and you're overestimating how easy it is to actually clear a wave and get anything done before the next wave comes especially due to wards and the fact that its pretty unrealistic unless you are winning the lane

i have had people leave the lane and go roam bot but they lose their tower and jungle has to defend second tower or something so its not a huge deal trundles w and q help him push down towers pretty fast
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 28 2013 11:24 GMT
#3459
I'll trust you on that, then. I haven't played Trundle top since the rework (eh, last time was even before the Q mana buff) so I'm working off of similar champs in terms of pushing, and how jungling him feels in terms of mana (w/o madred's).
I remember it was pretty hard to force a trade without burning pillar so you could zone people but not fight them, but the popular champs weren't the same at the time, was like 7+ months ago.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 11:35:07
May 28 2013 11:33 GMT
#3460
the q 0.0000000000001 second slow is actually helpful in lane to get an extra auto off in trades when they go to cs
and the %hp drain makes his ult strongest in trades, and the W cc reduction removeal for extra attack speed is also a buff to top trundle, as is the healing boost.

suffice to say trundle was somewhat buffed in top lane and his jungle is still struggles and it was mostly a means to get him to midgame anyway
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