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On May 08 2013 05:38 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 08 2013 05:29 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 04:53 Alaric wrote:On May 08 2013 03:31 Ketara wrote:
No shit Alaric. Thank you for being an asshole. It was actually a guenine suggestion based off of my own behaviour when those situations arise. But I'll take the insult, I'm not too picky. Btw, Lissandra has dropped to 6300 by now. which champion had its IP cost reduced along with her? Skarner was reduced with her, next will be Talon, then Riven. Are those predetermined? Skarner and Talon make sense because no one plays them but Riven shouldn't be that uncommon... Btw Sejuani voice actor is good I believe it's by order or release. Edit:Shen'd Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:38 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah once I get across the point I really don't care if picking what I want means im going to lose (we have to take perspective of the guy who things he's going to carry the team with "his" role) they seem to run out of steam in their argument There's just something unappealing about a system where you just have to take you lumps and just hope that the troll will get banned at a later date. I'm not talking about unconventional champs but when they literally feed when they don't get the position they want. Sure you can try to improve your play, but it's hard when they fed the ADC 10 kills  , that's more annoying imo.
You're just making excuses. You think ADs don't get fed in competitive play? You don't think its a good idea to try to practice against teams with fed ADs?
What you're really against is slightly winning your lane and then one lane is way behind. You know why? Because you're not doing nearly as well as the dude on the other team thats getting so fed so your team is way behind. Of course you just blame the fact that you get "trolls" every game and never try to make the enemy lane you're against a "troll" make their team rage.
Every time you make an excuse for why you lost you also lost a whole game worth of mistakes and misplays and bad strategy that if you really did well you'd be dominating so hard it doesn't matter what joeschmo wins his lane with ad carry you just insta kill him (Because his troll team never protects him!!!!!!!!) and collect wins.
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On May 08 2013 05:56 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:38 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 08 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 08 2013 05:29 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 04:53 Alaric wrote:On May 08 2013 03:31 Ketara wrote:
No shit Alaric. Thank you for being an asshole. It was actually a guenine suggestion based off of my own behaviour when those situations arise. But I'll take the insult, I'm not too picky. Btw, Lissandra has dropped to 6300 by now. which champion had its IP cost reduced along with her? Skarner was reduced with her, next will be Talon, then Riven. Are those predetermined? Skarner and Talon make sense because no one plays them but Riven shouldn't be that uncommon... Btw Sejuani voice actor is good I believe it's by order or release. Edit:Shen'd On May 08 2013 05:38 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah once I get across the point I really don't care if picking what I want means im going to lose (we have to take perspective of the guy who things he's going to carry the team with "his" role) they seem to run out of steam in their argument There's just something unappealing about a system where you just have to take you lumps and just hope that the troll will get banned at a later date. I'm not talking about unconventional champs but when they literally feed when they don't get the position they want. Sure you can try to improve your play, but it's hard when they fed the ADC 10 kills , that's more annoying imo. You're just making excuses. You think ADs don't get fed in competitive play? You don't think its a good idea to try to practice against teams with fed ADs? What you're really against is slightly winning your lane and then one lane is way behind. You know why? Because you're not doing nearly as well as the dude on the other team thats getting so fed so your team is way behind. Of course you just blame the fact that you get "trolls" every game and never try to make the enemy lane you're against a "troll" make their team rage. Every time you make an excuse for why you lost you also lost a whole game worth of mistakes and misplays and bad strategy that if you really did well you'd be dominating so hard it doesn't matter what joeschmo wins his lane with ad carry you just insta kill him (Because his troll team never protects him!!!!!!!!) and collect wins.
I mean I was specifically talking about when someone feeds on purpose, like walks into the enemy team for the entire duration of the game and doesn't use any skills. Sorry I don't find playing against a fed ADC in what is ostensibly a 4v5 fun. I actually agree with that people should probably stress less about picks and just play the game.
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On May 08 2013 06:04 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:56 Slayer91 wrote:On May 08 2013 05:38 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 08 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 08 2013 05:29 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 04:53 Alaric wrote:On May 08 2013 03:31 Ketara wrote:
No shit Alaric. Thank you for being an asshole. It was actually a guenine suggestion based off of my own behaviour when those situations arise. But I'll take the insult, I'm not too picky. Btw, Lissandra has dropped to 6300 by now. which champion had its IP cost reduced along with her? Skarner was reduced with her, next will be Talon, then Riven. Are those predetermined? Skarner and Talon make sense because no one plays them but Riven shouldn't be that uncommon... Btw Sejuani voice actor is good I believe it's by order or release. Edit:Shen'd On May 08 2013 05:38 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah once I get across the point I really don't care if picking what I want means im going to lose (we have to take perspective of the guy who things he's going to carry the team with "his" role) they seem to run out of steam in their argument There's just something unappealing about a system where you just have to take you lumps and just hope that the troll will get banned at a later date. I'm not talking about unconventional champs but when they literally feed when they don't get the position they want. Sure you can try to improve your play, but it's hard when they fed the ADC 10 kills , that's more annoying imo. You're just making excuses. You think ADs don't get fed in competitive play? You don't think its a good idea to try to practice against teams with fed ADs? What you're really against is slightly winning your lane and then one lane is way behind. You know why? Because you're not doing nearly as well as the dude on the other team thats getting so fed so your team is way behind. Of course you just blame the fact that you get "trolls" every game and never try to make the enemy lane you're against a "troll" make their team rage. Every time you make an excuse for why you lost you also lost a whole game worth of mistakes and misplays and bad strategy that if you really did well you'd be dominating so hard it doesn't matter what joeschmo wins his lane with ad carry you just insta kill him (Because his troll team never protects him!!!!!!!!) and collect wins. I mean I was specifically talking about when someone feeds on purpose, like walks into the enemy team for the entire duration of the game. Sorry I don't find playing against a fed ADC in what is ostensibly a 4v5 fun. I actually agree with that people should probably stress less about picks and just play the game.
The amount of times a guy actually intentionally feeds is about 10% and the 90% is bot lanes losing and the lane snowballing, they get dived by jungle etc. It happens and your botllane feels useless because support is behind in levels and ad carry needs some gold to get going but on the other hand mids and tops are huge powerhouses midgame so you can easily make up the difference until they catch up and junglers can directly help the lane.
I've been like 0/5/1 and shit on support countless times and gone on to win the game because jungle didnt make any mistakes and was pretty farmed and say top was behind but mid and jungle both collected some nice kills and we just played. You get flamed a shitload but it doesnt really matter if you just keep playing you'll still win a surprising % of games.
and this is the feeder POV imagine your options as a non feeder
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Re: champions ratings.
They aren't updated to begin with, which could explain a lot. Also I guess having a heal and resistances steroid rises Sona's "health" rating.
(Olaf used to have 30 ArPen included at all times in his ult, on top of Undertow scaling off of total AD, add in the true damage of Reckless Swing and the %AS from his passive and kaboom, damage machine.)
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On May 08 2013 05:52 Shikyo wrote:
By the way, what's the logic of the Riot 10-100 ratings for attack, spell, health and difficulty? I mean, Sona has the lowest health in the game and its health is 50... Nunu has the highest health in the game and its health is 60... Olaf ahead of Riven in attack...
I always thought it was health->how durable a champ is, attack->how much they rely on autoattacking, spells->how much they rely on ability usage. Nunu doesn't scale off of any defensive stats, so his health rating is lower than Malph/Cho etc.
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On May 08 2013 06:06 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 06:04 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 08 2013 05:56 Slayer91 wrote:On May 08 2013 05:38 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 08 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 08 2013 05:29 Shikyo wrote:On May 08 2013 04:53 Alaric wrote:On May 08 2013 03:31 Ketara wrote:
No shit Alaric. Thank you for being an asshole. It was actually a guenine suggestion based off of my own behaviour when those situations arise. But I'll take the insult, I'm not too picky. Btw, Lissandra has dropped to 6300 by now. which champion had its IP cost reduced along with her? Skarner was reduced with her, next will be Talon, then Riven. Are those predetermined? Skarner and Talon make sense because no one plays them but Riven shouldn't be that uncommon... Btw Sejuani voice actor is good I believe it's by order or release. Edit:Shen'd On May 08 2013 05:38 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah once I get across the point I really don't care if picking what I want means im going to lose (we have to take perspective of the guy who things he's going to carry the team with "his" role) they seem to run out of steam in their argument There's just something unappealing about a system where you just have to take you lumps and just hope that the troll will get banned at a later date. I'm not talking about unconventional champs but when they literally feed when they don't get the position they want. Sure you can try to improve your play, but it's hard when they fed the ADC 10 kills , that's more annoying imo. You're just making excuses. You think ADs don't get fed in competitive play? You don't think its a good idea to try to practice against teams with fed ADs? What you're really against is slightly winning your lane and then one lane is way behind. You know why? Because you're not doing nearly as well as the dude on the other team thats getting so fed so your team is way behind. Of course you just blame the fact that you get "trolls" every game and never try to make the enemy lane you're against a "troll" make their team rage. Every time you make an excuse for why you lost you also lost a whole game worth of mistakes and misplays and bad strategy that if you really did well you'd be dominating so hard it doesn't matter what joeschmo wins his lane with ad carry you just insta kill him (Because his troll team never protects him!!!!!!!!) and collect wins. I mean I was specifically talking about when someone feeds on purpose, like walks into the enemy team for the entire duration of the game. Sorry I don't find playing against a fed ADC in what is ostensibly a 4v5 fun. I actually agree with that people should probably stress less about picks and just play the game. The amount of times a guy actually intentionally feeds is about 10% and the 90% is bot lanes losing and the lane snowballing, they get dived by jungle etc. It happens and your botllane feels useless because support is behind in levels and ad carry needs some gold to get going but on the other hand mids and tops are huge powerhouses midgame so you can easily make up the difference until they catch up and junglers can directly help the lane.
And I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the rare times when a guy in champ select says "IM GOING TO FEED" and then does. This isn't about blaming people. All I was saying is playing when there is an intentional feeder on your team is not fun. There is literally nothing you can say to change my mind on the matter lol.
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On May 08 2013 05:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:32 Ketara wrote:
Maybe we Americans just complain more.
I think in general Europeans and Asians take games like LoL more seriously and look at them more as a competitive thing and less as a recreational thing, which might explain why NA players take it less seriously (thereby infuriating people who do take it seriously), if that's true. Perhaps you are not being polite enough. I haven't had more than ONE pick fight since I decided to start being very polite and calling correctly. "Hi all" "Prefer jungle/mid, will do anything" works 99% of the time IF YOU MEAN IT
I'm real polite. But to be fair, you and I are at vastly different ELO levels. I think it's pretty obvious that the higher up you get the less people intentionally refuse to play with the team.
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I've been spoiled by 5s, I almost never play solo or duo now. It really is a much more enjoyable experience.
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On May 08 2013 06:15 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On May 08 2013 05:32 Ketara wrote:
Maybe we Americans just complain more.
I think in general Europeans and Asians take games like LoL more seriously and look at them more as a competitive thing and less as a recreational thing, which might explain why NA players take it less seriously (thereby infuriating people who do take it seriously), if that's true. Perhaps you are not being polite enough. I haven't had more than ONE pick fight since I decided to start being very polite and calling correctly. "Hi all" "Prefer jungle/mid, will do anything" works 99% of the time IF YOU MEAN IT I'm real polite. But to be fair, you and I are at vastly different ELO levels. I think it's pretty obvious that the higher up you get the less people intentionally refuse to play with the team.
I've gotten top ~80% of the time by saying "hi, i'd like to top please  " from gold->plat
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On May 08 2013 06:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've been spoiled by 5s, I almost never play solo or duo now. It really is a much more enjoyable experience.
If I had four buddies who would do ranked fives with me like one night a week, I'd probably really enjoy that.
Hard to find 5 people at similar skill level / mindset / schedule.
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I might be a bit late to the party, but I will still ask. I saw this 'blue Ez' build with Spirit of the Elder Lizard becoming popular for like two weeks now. This seems to be trendsetting, I see this item on a lot of 'not so auto attack reliant ADs' like Corki and MF for example. I get that the item is undercosted and gives nice stats.
What I can't really believe is that this item really deals its DoT damage on abilities that repeatedly deal physical damage without being a DoT themselves (Corki E / Miss Fortune R). In my games where I tried this item, I didn't see the true damage pop up 'often enough' given that the damage buff should be applied multiple times. Does this item really deal the 40 true damage at max level each time a bullet of MF ult / a shrapnel of Corki's E damages an enemy?
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On May 08 2013 06:15 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On May 08 2013 05:32 Ketara wrote:
Maybe we Americans just complain more.
I think in general Europeans and Asians take games like LoL more seriously and look at them more as a competitive thing and less as a recreational thing, which might explain why NA players take it less seriously (thereby infuriating people who do take it seriously), if that's true. Perhaps you are not being polite enough. I haven't had more than ONE pick fight since I decided to start being very polite and calling correctly. "Hi all" "Prefer jungle/mid, will do anything" works 99% of the time IF YOU MEAN IT I'm real polite. But to be fair, you and I are at vastly different ELO levels. I think it's pretty obvious that the higher up you get the less people intentionally refuse to play with the team.
I vouch, i'd give anything to be back at the high silver / low gold i was in S2.
Bronze IV, Always AFK and if not AFK feed and troll.
Screw placement matches.
The higher you are the better it gets, bronze is a cesspool, i'd do anything to be carried to silver lmao.
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On May 08 2013 05:52 Shikyo wrote:
By the way, what's the logic of the Riot 10-100 ratings for attack, spell, health and difficulty? I mean, Sona has the lowest health in the game and its health is 50... Nunu has the highest health in the game and its health is 60... Olaf ahead of Riven in attack...
The only rating that really matters is difficulty, and only for someone who is almost completely new to the game.
Also, I think Riot envisioned Olaf as a melee AD carry -- his ult is pretty similar to Yi's except you trade the MS/AS for armor and arpen and you upgrade the "can't be slowed" to "can't be disabled". Between his passive and W, he has a pretty impressive damage steroid. I remember in low level games people would try to build glass cannon on Olaf all the time. In this context his high attack rating kind of makes sense.
Riot almost never updating their ratings is the other issue, of course.
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On May 08 2013 06:23 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 06:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've been spoiled by 5s, I almost never play solo or duo now. It really is a much more enjoyable experience. If I had four buddies who would do ranked fives with me like one night a week, I'd probably really enjoy that. Hard to find 5 people at similar skill level / mindset / schedule.
i'll play.
that's one person.
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On May 08 2013 06:24 little fancy wrote:
I might be a bit late to the party, but I will still ask. I saw this 'blue Ez' build with Spirit of the Elder Lizard becoming popular for like two weeks now. This seems to be trendsetting, I see this item on a lot of 'not so auto attack reliant ADs' like Corki and MF for example. I get that the item is undercosted and gives nice stats.
What I can't really believe is that this item really deals its DoT damage on abilities that repeatedly deal physical damage without being a DoT themselves (Corki E / Miss Fortune R). In my games where I tried this item, I didn't see the true damage pop up 'often enough' given that the damage buff should be applied multiple times. Does this item really deal the 40 true damage at max level each time a bullet of MF ult / a shrapnel of Corki's E damages an enemy?
no, the true damage is itself a DOT over 3 seconds, so it just refreshes.
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On May 08 2013 06:37 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 06:23 Ketara wrote:On May 08 2013 06:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've been spoiled by 5s, I almost never play solo or duo now. It really is a much more enjoyable experience. If I had four buddies who would do ranked fives with me like one night a week, I'd probably really enjoy that. Hard to find 5 people at similar skill level / mindset / schedule. i'll play. that's one person.
Oh boy!
Anybody else want to join the bandwagon?
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On May 08 2013 07:05 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 06:37 kainzero wrote:On May 08 2013 06:23 Ketara wrote:On May 08 2013 06:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've been spoiled by 5s, I almost never play solo or duo now. It really is a much more enjoyable experience. If I had four buddies who would do ranked fives with me like one night a week, I'd probably really enjoy that. Hard to find 5 people at similar skill level / mindset / schedule. i'll play. that's one person. Oh boy! Anybody else want to join the bandwagon?
I love bandwagons, and am also silverish, with time on my hands.
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Going back to potential Riot MMOs, if they made a MMORPG based on the LoL world and it had a good interesting PvP(even like LoL itself) I would love for it to have a monthly fee format. I guess if it's free it -could- work if they manage to handle it like LoL but free MMORPGs almost always require tons and tons of money spent for it to be enjoyable(PvP-wise) or there's stupid limitations like inventory size, amount of characters etc. and of course monthly pay MMOs tend to have much better communities.
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