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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 01:29:10
May 07 2013 01:26 GMT
#2021
I call Nunu...

They should give Sivir diminishing improved scaling on MR on her SS so she has a nisch as anti ap. So she becomes viable as a jungler / top.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
May 07 2013 02:29 GMT
#2022
On May 07 2013 09:06 upperbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 09:01 TheYango wrote:
The awkward nature of CDR itemization is that it's really hard to balance because of how the stat caps. Having 40% CDR attainable on certain "good" items makes it really hard for some of the weaker CDR items to get used because hitting the cap absolutely kills the cost-effectiveness of any other potential items that grant CDR. So you really have to be careful about certain CDR items being too much better than others.

Also it's the only item type that has increasing returns to scale. So the whole incentive structure is screwed up in that it encourages getting more as you have more, but you can pass a certain limit.

It would be good if they made it asymptotic from a mathematical perspective, but then no one would understand it intuitively.

Thresh's passive is just like that. I see no one complaining...
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 07 2013 03:52 GMT
#2023
On May 07 2013 10:16 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 10:04 thenexusp wrote:
On May 07 2013 09:06 upperbound wrote:
On May 07 2013 09:01 TheYango wrote:
The awkward nature of CDR itemization is that it's really hard to balance because of how the stat caps. Having 40% CDR attainable on certain "good" items makes it really hard for some of the weaker CDR items to get used because hitting the cap absolutely kills the cost-effectiveness of any other potential items that grant CDR. So you really have to be careful about certain CDR items being too much better than others.

Also it's the only item type that has increasing returns to scale. So the whole incentive structure is screwed up in that it encourages getting more as you have more, but you can pass a certain limit.

It would be good if they made it asymptotic from a mathematical perspective, but then no one would understand it intuitively.

Flat arpen and mpen also have increasing returns, but they are much harder to stack since they only appear on a few items.

They also have decreasing returns as opponents get more armor and MR.

Early game, they're a [relatively] big percent multiplier on a small damage amount. Later on in the game, they're a smaller percent multiplier on a bigger damage amount.

That is correct, however with the new changes to %pen and flat pen (%pen is counted first), flat pen scales much better then it did last season.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 07 2013 03:55 GMT
#2024
On May 07 2013 12:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 10:16 sylverfyre wrote:
On May 07 2013 10:04 thenexusp wrote:
On May 07 2013 09:06 upperbound wrote:
On May 07 2013 09:01 TheYango wrote:
The awkward nature of CDR itemization is that it's really hard to balance because of how the stat caps. Having 40% CDR attainable on certain "good" items makes it really hard for some of the weaker CDR items to get used because hitting the cap absolutely kills the cost-effectiveness of any other potential items that grant CDR. So you really have to be careful about certain CDR items being too much better than others.

Also it's the only item type that has increasing returns to scale. So the whole incentive structure is screwed up in that it encourages getting more as you have more, but you can pass a certain limit.

It would be good if they made it asymptotic from a mathematical perspective, but then no one would understand it intuitively.

Flat arpen and mpen also have increasing returns, but they are much harder to stack since they only appear on a few items.

They also have decreasing returns as opponents get more armor and MR.

Early game, they're a [relatively] big percent multiplier on a small damage amount. Later on in the game, they're a smaller percent multiplier on a bigger damage amount.

That is correct, however with the new changes to %pen and flat pen (%pen is counted first), flat pen scales much better then it did last season.

True. Also resist values across the board are also lower than they were last season, which further adds value to flat pen compared to S2.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 05:13:38
May 07 2013 04:44 GMT
#2025
They nerfed basically every flat pen item in s3


Instead of spam posting, flat pen was weaker in s2 but brutalizer and HG where better at lower levels than they are now.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 07 2013 05:01 GMT
#2026
On May 07 2013 13:44 Eppa! wrote:
They nerfed basically every flat pen item in s3

They did, because they knew the value of flat pen increased for all the reasons we talked about.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 07 2013 06:50 GMT
#2027
I call Kennen and if anyone else also wants Kennen we do 1v1 for him.
wat
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
May 07 2013 08:21 GMT
#2028
i'd need rules before deciding on which champ (which lane, how many kills/turrets needed for win etc)
but tentatively caitlyn tyvm
cool beans
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 07 2013 08:31 GMT
#2029
On May 07 2013 10:26 Eppa! wrote:
I call Nunu...

They should give Sivir diminishing improved scaling on MR on her SS so she has a nisch as anti ap. So she becomes viable as a jungler / top.


I feel like Sivir mid could be great right now. Good wave clear, good roam, spellshield, and her range isn't as noticeable against other mids probably. I'd probably start tear and transition into a hybrid ADC/AD Caster build. Sounds like it could be fun.

At max CDR you are throwin' your Q out every 5 seconds, and your W every 2 seconds, and spellshield every 6 seconds, and your ult every 48 seconds. That's not too shabby. Could be cool.

Anyway, if I could play in the 1v1 (which I hope you do), I'd play Talon. Or Katarina.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 07 2013 08:55 GMT
#2030
I claim Riven for sure! Except if sbd did it already :p
The legend of Darien lives on
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#2031
I want to face tolkien in the first round!
wat
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 07 2013 09:27 GMT
#2032
Is corki bugged right now? Sometimes when you fire missiles the sound and animation plays, but no missile comes out.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
May 07 2013 09:32 GMT
#2033
I'll take Twitch unless Nunu is still up for grabs.

And rules should be like the Soaz vs Wickd games? First death/tower/80cs? and no jungle creeps.
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 07 2013 10:22 GMT
#2034
I think a 1v1 tournament should be set up! Possible rules:

-- Each player registers with a champion pool of 6 champions.
-- Each player is allowed 3 bans.
-- Blind pick.
-- Bo3 in early rounds, Bo5 in semi-finals, Bo7 in finals.
-- First to 3 kills/2 towers

I know I can't stream or play, but I'd be willing to set up the bracket, rules, maybe find some prize money laying around, and create a thread. Anyone interested in streaming/casting it? Great opportunity to get your voice out there!
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 07 2013 10:50 GMT
#2035
On May 07 2013 18:27 Amui wrote:
Is corki bugged right now? Sometimes when you fire missiles the sound and animation plays, but no missile comes out.


Yes I think his ult is bugged ever since they made it so the Big One comes out after 3rd missile.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 10:57:35
May 07 2013 10:56 GMT
#2036
On May 07 2013 19:22 JonGalt wrote:
I think a 1v1 tournament should be set up! Possible rules:

-- Each player registers with a champion pool of 6 champions.
-- Each player is allowed 3 bans.
-- Blind pick.
-- Bo3 in early rounds, Bo5 in semi-finals, Bo7 in finals.
-- First to 3 kills/2 towers

I know I can't stream or play, but I'd be willing to set up the bracket, rules, maybe find some prize money laying around, and create a thread. Anyone interested in streaming/casting it? Great opportunity to get your voice out there!


I'll defo play if it's on EUW.

Edit: I assume it would be NA though
wat
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 07 2013 12:16 GMT
#2037
Id go with just 1 kill or 1 tower
KCCO!
Nobu
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain550 Posts
May 07 2013 12:24 GMT
#2038
On May 07 2013 19:56 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 19:22 JonGalt wrote:
I think a 1v1 tournament should be set up! Possible rules:

-- Each player registers with a champion pool of 6 champions.
-- Each player is allowed 3 bans.
-- Blind pick.
-- Bo3 in early rounds, Bo5 in semi-finals, Bo7 in finals.
-- First to 3 kills/2 towers

I know I can't stream or play, but I'd be willing to set up the bracket, rules, maybe find some prize money laying around, and create a thread. Anyone interested in streaming/casting it? Great opportunity to get your voice out there!


I'll defo play if it's on EUW.

Edit: I assume it would be NA though


I'm willing to get destroyed in EUW too, there's probably enough people for a 16-32 bracket.
"There's farmers and there's gamers, farmers get up early, gamers sleep in." Artosis
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 07 2013 12:28 GMT
#2039
Yeah, 1 kill/1 tower is the proper way to do it imo.
wat
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 12:44:45
May 07 2013 12:36 GMT
#2040
+ Show Spoiler [Video] +


Now I've got to ask: why don't they use more of those illustrations and stuff and (not only doing more of those videos to show us the people who worked behind it and what did they do) support their promos and events with that, instead of relying mainly of the pretty corny lore that they put into champions' bios? >_<
Especially when they're the first to admit that they have to make it concise because it doesn't have too much space, but also that being in-client it's the only part most people will be in contact with when it comes to lore?

tl;dr Riot more pretty pictures and sounds pls
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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