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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 21 2013 01:38 Requizen wrote: I've had similar results, but it's not overwhelming. It's very annoying when every blob flies out towards your opponent and you can't pick them up, but you only need like 1-3 to get back a loooot of health. I spammed a bunch of Zac games when he got released and did pretty well with him (60%+ winrate). He's pretty strong with his ult+W and his E makes for some silly ganks, but his biggest problem is that his passive is basically nonexistent. Picking up blobs is clunky in fights and while it can/does heal a lot, I find myself often just ignoring the blobs 75% of the time in fights. His respawn passive is pretty terrible since the four blobs are extremely squishy and can usually be 1~2 shot by anything, including the support, especially if you compare it to say Anivia's egg. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 21 2013 04:05 Ryuu314 wrote: I spammed a bunch of Zac games when he got released and did pretty well with him (60%+ winrate). He's pretty strong with his ult+W and his E makes for some silly ganks, but his biggest problem is that his passive is basically nonexistent. Picking up blobs is clunky in fights and while it can/does heal a lot, I find myself often just ignoring the blobs 75% of the time in fights. His respawn passive is pretty terrible since the four blobs are extremely squishy and can usually be 1~2 shot by anything, including the support, especially if you compare it to say Anivia's egg. His passive pretty much only exists for diving when you jungle, but in lane it's super useful to bait with. Blobs are pretty awkward to pick up in fights, but when you ult W spam there are so many sitting around that you're bound to pick up a handful. It helps not to view them as a necessity, but as a boon to pick up if they happen to be on the way or you get a breather and can run grab one. In a lane 1v1 situation, they're much easier to utilize. I'd say that he could use a buff on his blobs so they're not quite so RNG crazy, but I honestly think he's plenty strong as is. | ||
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ketchup
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On April 21 2013 01:17 IamPryda wrote: View on not owning support runes and playing ranked? I own 5 runes pages and just hate wasting one on support runes. Don't get me wrong I don't mind support with someone I know. but I hate solo q bot in general and a great support is useless with a bad adc where atleast a bad adc u can Try to play safe and hope for a short lane phase Overall, you should really think about getting a support rune page. Pretty sure it's not that difficult as a lot can be transferred from your other rune pages. Just buy some GP10 runes and feel much better about playing support with less farm involved. I mean in all honestly, you don't necessarily need it if you are trying to play the AP supports in solo queue. You should be fine to use some AP mix involved and be okay with certain champions like Janna or Zyra support. Of course if ranked play worked as it should, you should probably not be playing Support at all since you do not like the role at all(in solo queue) | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On April 21 2013 04:00 Sponkz wrote: No? It's the opposite. If you're low elo you gotta do some cheese shit like running mpen marks and 10% mpen from masteries. You're outplaying them anyways if u don't belong there lol. I mean, you can do that too. Both are options, just don't go gp10 in super low elo and complain your lane doesn't win hard enough. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 21 2013 04:42 rackdude wrote: Outplaying them as support can be anything from "they're diving my adc but I'm fucking them up while they ignore me" to "I'm baiting them into all-inning me while my jungler comes in and I'm too tanky to die that fast" - you can do it with any runes/masteries, it really is based on who you're playing and what the opposing duo is doing. I'll run Hybrid pen on lulu/sona, but anything shorter range than that, Armor marks all the way.I mean, you can do that too. Both are options, just don't go gp10 in super low elo and complain your lane doesn't win hard enough. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Mensol
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
But we all know TSM's gonna shut out curse in the finals. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 21 2013 05:12 Dark_Chill wrote: I never thought about running hybrid pen before, but it makes a lot of sense. Is the damage worth it though? It's a big investment in runes to put down. Hybrid pen is good if you deal anywhere between 80% Magical 20% Physical damage, down to around 40% Magical/60 Physical. Since many APs do a significant amount of autoattack damage (particularly those with ranged autoattacks) it's very often worthwhile. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 21 2013 04:17 ketchup wrote: Overall, you should really think about getting a support rune page. Pretty sure it's not that difficult as a lot can be transferred from your other rune pages. Just buy some GP10 runes and feel much better about playing support with less farm involved. I mean in all honestly, you don't necessarily need it if you are trying to play the AP supports in solo queue. You should be fine to use some AP mix involved and be okay with certain champions like Janna or Zyra support. Of course if ranked play worked as it should, you should probably not be playing Support at all since you do not like the role at all(in solo queue) You can more or less use an AP page. Scaling MR/flat armor is standard on pretty much anyone, and I just use mpen marks. If you have movespeed quints, you might as well keep them because supports take awhile to get boots and having them over the enemy is really good. AP quints are okay on poke/AP supports like Lux, Zyra and Lulu, but switching them out of gp10 is not bad as well. EDIT: okay, hybrid marks can work too, but goddamn you're not going to own those unless you play very specific champs. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On April 21 2013 04:45 sylverfyre wrote: Outplaying them as support can be anything from "they're diving my adc but I'm fucking them up while they ignore me" to "I'm baiting them into all-inning me while my jungler comes in and I'm too tanky to die that fast" - you can do it with any runes/masteries, it really is based on who you're playing and what the opposing duo is doing. I'll run Hybrid pen on lulu/sona, but anything shorter range than that, Armor marks all the way. Personally i prefer AD marks on both lulu and sona, but i was using 2 basic pages as support in platinum (HP/ar/ar/mres and HP/ad/ar/mres). I'd say if'd really want to be tryhard u could make 5 pages, but in the end, we're talking about niche setups (mres marks versus heavy early ap like sona/trist, hp quints on squishy support, gp10 in arranged etc.). My point to it, was that if you're setting up a few amount of rune pages because you didn't spend any RP, using one with something like gp10 is vastly overhyped, because you're saying this is support, and support only. You can be insanely versatile with all supports using standard ad runes, jungle runes or even ap runes should you not be able to have 20 pages to just have setups for speciel settings  | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On April 21 2013 05:15 Mensol wrote: i wonder who will be coL's new adc. i hope its theoddone's little brother, frommaplestreet. rosters are locked currently they have to either field bischu chuuper or meteos, but i heard chuuper has been playing tons of ad in soloQ so we might get chuuper back :D | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On April 21 2013 05:36 Sponkz wrote: Personally i prefer AD marks on both lulu and sona, but i was using 2 basic pages as support in platinum (HP/ar/ar/mres and HP/ad/ar/mres). I'd say if'd really want to be tryhard u could make 5 pages, but in the end, we're talking about niche setups (mres marks versus heavy early ap like sona/trist, hp quints on squishy support, gp10 in arranged etc.). My point to it, was that if you're setting up a few amount of rune pages because you didn't spend any RP, using one with something like gp10 is vastly overhyped, because you're saying this is support, and support only. You can be insanely versatile with all supports using standard ad runes, jungle runes or even ap runes should you not be able to have 20 pages to just have setups for speciel settings I'd say Spellsy's guide is pretty helpful for support pages. I pretty much only used two of the pages (tanky and harass) for all of my supports, and they cover pretty much everything you want. Switching out the gold quints can be alright though, say if you take MS quints or such. It's more of a playstyle choice, you can even take armor/mr quints depending on certain factors. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On April 21 2013 05:59 Dark_Chill wrote: I'd say Spellsy's guide is pretty helpful for support pages. I pretty much only used two of the pages (tanky and harass) for all of my supports, and they cover pretty much everything you want. Switching out the gold quints can be alright though, say if you take MS quints or such. It's more of a playstyle choice, you can even take armor/mr quints depending on certain factors. Yeah those two setup i use, are heavily focused around lvl 1-2-3, because when i play support i need to get ahead by alot to carry in solo queue and being able to abuse the first 3 lvls is something that can make bot-lane snowball alot easier I still miss using MS quints more often, but i feel they don't have the same impact in lane as much as in season 2  | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
I was just thinking about it, and there's little that's more satisfying to me than Whimsy-ing an Udyr as he Bears into my team. Similarly, hitting a fleeing Yi with a Zenith Blade is always just the fucking greatest. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about/have their own example? | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:08 AsmodeusXI wrote: What do you find to be the most satisfying ability-use situation in LoL? I was just thinking about it, and there's little that's more satisfying to me than Whimsy-ing an Udyr as he Bears into my team. Similarly, hitting a fleeing Yi with a Zenith Blade is always just the fucking greatest. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about/have their own example? mushroom on anything, ever | ||
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