EPTKayle isnt exactly a burst mage either so dfg doesnt make a huge amount of sense
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Kayle isnt exactly a burst mage either so dfg doesnt make a huge amount of sense | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
and DFG isn't necessarily a burst item either, is it? the effect lasts 4 seconds and amplifies all magic damage done, which stacks nicely with her passive and Q. DFG -> Q will put someone to three-quarters health and burn a flash 100% of the time and the CD on DFG compared to flash is negligible. so next time DFG -> Q -> auto auto dead. 4 seconds is more than enough time to get in as many autos as needed to pop someone. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On February 10 2013 00:13 gtrsrs wrote: on kayle, because of her righteous fury and ult cooldowns, CDR is definitely her best stat. it's so far ahead it isn't even close. her ult cd with 40% cdr is like, 34 seconds at level 16. one of the best ults in the game and it has a cooldown comparable to hawkshot or warwick's W. insane with CDR. and DFG isn't necessarily a burst item either, is it? the effect lasts 4 seconds and amplifies all magic damage done, which stacks nicely with her passive and Q. DFG -> Q will put someone to three-quarters health and burn a flash 100% of the time and the CD on DFG compared to flash is negligible. so next time DFG -> Q -> auto auto dead. 4 seconds is more than enough time to get in as many autos as needed to pop someone. On February 10 2013 00:55 nosliw wrote: Put to 3/4 health means dealing 1/4 damage. ah woops I totally misread that xd | ||
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On February 10 2013 00:40 Dusty wrote: On February 10 2013 00:13 gtrsrs wrote: on kayle, because of her righteous fury and ult cooldowns, CDR is definitely her best stat. it's so far ahead it isn't even close. her ult cd with 40% cdr is like, 34 seconds at level 16. one of the best ults in the game and it has a cooldown comparable to hawkshot or warwick's W. insane with CDR. and DFG isn't necessarily a burst item either, is it? the effect lasts 4 seconds and amplifies all magic damage done, which stacks nicely with her passive and Q. DFG -> Q will put someone to three-quarters health and burn a flash 100% of the time and the CD on DFG compared to flash is negligible. so next time DFG -> Q -> auto auto dead. 4 seconds is more than enough time to get in as many autos as needed to pop someone. I'm trying to imagine a scenario when a DFG + Q combo is going to do 3/4ths of someone's HP. Perhaps like, after you have 3 items (nashors/cap/liandry) vs a no defense item carry like Vayne or Ezreal... but realistically is that ever going to happen? Put to 3/4 health means dealing 1/4 damage. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
I forgot that I had one written up like a week ago and I messaged Neo about posting it but I just completely forgot about it l0l i'm gonna go ahead and look it over cause I wrote it while pulling an allnighter xd | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
I got placed into a new plat division V, alot of people in there, nobody was in IV, III, II and I. Still nobody in plat IV but some in III. I got placed directly from IV into III, too. also i just noticed/got remembered of that AP kennen does a huge amount of aoe dmg. Why isn't he played anymore? | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On February 10 2013 00:59 Keniji wrote: so plat IV doesnt exist? I got placed into a new plat division V, alot of people in there, nobody was in IV, III, II and I. Still nobody in plat IV but some in III. I got placed directly from IV into III, too. also i just noticed/got remembered of that AP kennen does a huge amount of aoe dmg. Why isn't he played anymore? All the existing plat divisions are full, and the first people to promote out of plat V are the ones with the highest MMR, in fact so high that they skip plat IV on promotion. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It may just be because since you lose league points for dodging now people don't dodge as much as they used to. I had more or less stopped seeing that sort of stuff up till when the league system came out, and I think in the past few days I've had upwards of a dozen games with an AFKer or somebody who just blatantly doesn't give a shit. Also had games where somebody says it's their promotion series and then another guys says YOU SHOULDNT HAVE SAID THAT and trolls the team because he knows that guy can't dodge. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 09 2013 20:59 Alaric wrote: We usually create a thread when the OP can include relevant information, a guide, playstyle, etc. if you create a thread just to ask a question I'm not sure it'll be regarded well. TBH at this point, since we have subforums, it might be high time to start a Simple Questions, Simple Answers thread. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 10 2013 02:14 Ketara wrote: Is everybody else seeing a big increase in trolls and AFKs and such since the new league system came out? It may just be because since you lose league points for dodging now people don't dodge as much as they used to. I had more or less stopped seeing that sort of stuff up till when the league system came out, and I think in the past few days I've had upwards of a dozen games with an AFKer or somebody who just blatantly doesn't give a shit. Also had games where somebody says it's their promotion series and then another guys says YOU SHOULDNT HAVE SAID THAT and trolls the team because he knows that guy can't dodge. Most of the time someone says: Hey guys it's my box pls don't feed I want to go up - or something similar.Then they go 0/8. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
The 30min queue was a bit much but acceptable so you didnt have to lose Elo because of one cunt. Why not make it 10/15 min wait for a dodge, i mean why do you need to be punished for a dodge, it hardly "hurts" anybody when you dodge anyway and like i said, its 90% to avoid a feeding, raging troll anyway, why do we need to suffer the consequences. Sure with a low timer and no penalty, you'll see an increase in "troll dodgers" but with 10-15 min i dont think it would be that drastic, and alot better then fucking losing league points because of others | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Because if you lose League Points and not Elo, you basically don't lose anything because your Elo being ahead of your League Points will cause your League Point gains to catch up anyway. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On February 09 2013 18:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: unless this post alludes to something I'm not aware of I will assume it's not sarcastic Are you sure you're from China? l0l | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On February 10 2013 02:48 TheYango wrote: Do we know if you lose Elo for dodging? Because if you lose League Points and not Elo, you basically don't lose anything because your Elo being ahead of your League Points will cause your League Point gains to catch up anyway. "The time penalties for queue dodging have been shortened and an LP penalty has been added". So I think it is just League points and no ELO loss. But I haven't seen a riot guy commenting on it, it's just what I read from the patch notes | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On February 09 2013 23:15 gtrsrs wrote: i think you'll find that the pros move away from the liandry's builds I'd disagree, but we'd both just be appealing to different authorities so w/e. Liandry's is disgusting on her. | ||
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JeosAdn
Costa Rica432 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On February 10 2013 02:48 TheYango wrote: Do we know if you lose Elo for dodging? Because if you lose League Points and not Elo, you basically don't lose anything because your Elo being ahead of your League Points will cause your League Point gains to catch up anyway. But that only works if you only dodge once. If you dodge, for example, on average 10% of your games, you will always lag behind your Elo in LPs until you stop doing that. And the obvious reason why dodges need to be punished is quite simple. People want to play the game, not be in champ select. However, people also want to win and gain Elo. And if there is no punishment for dodging, the optimal method of playing would be to dodge any time you feel like your team is less likely to win. That might be based on champ selection, what people say in chat, or basically anything else. Now, how often does noone out of the 10 people feel like his team has a lower chance of winning? 0 Penalty dodges simply mean that you will spend a lot more time in champ select, and a lot less time playing. And Champ select is not really a lot of fun. However, at the moment people also have the third option of just trolling and trying to make someone else dodge because you can't easily report someone if the game gets dodged, which is highly problematic and really needs to be solved. It is a very annoying enviroment to play in where people play those games of chicken in champ select trying to make someone on their own team dodge because they don't want to play the game, but also don't want to be punished for dodging. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I find it fairly laughable that I lose league points for dodging, but the guy who is making me dodge does not. I'd be very happy if Riot started doing things like finding people who consistantly force others to dodge (they rounded up a bunch and handed out bans before) and dropping them a division or two. There's all kinds of things they could do with league points that they aren't doing. If somebody disconnects from a game and forces a loss they could reduce the number of LP you lose, but they aren't doing that either. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On February 10 2013 03:10 JeosAdn wrote: Fun fact: lvl 18 trist with ie, pd, and warmogs can 100-0 a tower tanking it without minions :D Any turret? They have different AD | ||
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