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On November 10 2012 06:18 TheYango wrote:
The thing is, that comparison is sort of weird when your 4th lane is accessible and farmable by the other 3 lanes, lol.
I've said this before--changing the gold distribution in the jungle won't affect a jungler's farm priority because how much farm you're allocated is dictated by your position/role on the team. A richer jungle just means that the jungler will take a lower farm priority with regard to cleaning up lanes (whereas with the current jungle, the "optimal" farm distribution as demonstrated by various top teams involves mid taking wraiths for the sake of efficiency, but jungle also getting to clean up lane farm to meet his farm needs).
As a corollary, changing the gold/exp values in the jungle may change the jungler's farm priority and role. If the gold and/or experience value of the jungle exceeds that of lanes the jungle may become more secure place for your #1 or #2 to farm. While the worth of giving farm to a specific champion may not change, the champion used in jungling and the expectations of that player's role in a team may.
Also, fluidity increases as the game goes on, but in the early stages the only person who can reliably clear the jungle and hold lanes is the jungler. There are champions who are exceptions, but in general increasing the value of the jungle will benefit the jungler early, even if they remain low in priority overall.
On a different subject, I'm not fond of the leashing change. Leashing previously was only a modicum of teamwork, but it went a long way toward getting people to understand that there are little things you can do that help other players on your team immensely. I'm having trouble imagining players in lower and even middling Elos embracing the new "leashing".
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
RIP HoG discussions in GD.
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On November 10 2012 08:32 Roffles wrote:
RIP HoG discussions in GD.
Seriously.
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RIP scaling/flat MR blues discussion in GD.
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http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31229244#post31229244
Sightstone (650 Gold)
+125 Health
Unique Passive - Refresh (Ward) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop.
Unique Active - Ghost Ward: Consumes a charge to place an invisible ward that reveals the surrounding area for 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 2 wards from this item at once.
All hail new support wriggles.
EDIT: And it upgrades too.
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damn, hotshot's Brand is godlike.
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On November 10 2012 08:35 MooMooMugi wrote:
RIP scaling/flat MR blues discussion in GD.
how so?
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wow, even cheaper wards?
mehhh
if it upgrades i can see every lane picking this up since it's super cheap and practically prevents ganks
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United States47024 Posts
On November 10 2012 08:36 Gahlo wrote:http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31229244#post31229244Sightstone (650 Gold) +125 Health Unique Passive - Refresh (Ward) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop. Unique Active - Ghost Ward: Consumes a charge to place an invisible ward that reveals the surrounding area for 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 2 wards from this item at once. All hail new support wriggles. EDIT: And it upgrades too.
Depending on the upgrade, it could be good on everyone. It gives 329 gold worth of HP and provides 300 gold worth of wards from the get-go. If you're ever going to place more than 4 wards (pretty much everyone) it's cost-effective immediately and only gets better.
Support might actually be the least likely to want it because supports are the most likely to have more than 2 wards up at once.
On November 10 2012 08:49 kainzero wrote:
wow, even cheaper wards?
mehhh
if it upgrades i can see every lane picking this up since it's super cheap and practically prevents ganks
Agreed. The fact that it essentially removes the cost from re-warding your lane after it's been Oracle cleared also potentially makes things awkward for jungle ganks.
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Did they just remove hog and come up with a version that's like 5x better
are they serious?
inb4 oracles new god tier income item with everyone running around with 5 spirit stones
supports aren't "least likely to want it" they're "more likely to want it and buy more wards as well"
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On November 10 2012 08:49 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:36 Gahlo wrote:http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31229244#post31229244Sightstone (650 Gold) +125 Health Unique Passive - Refresh (Ward) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop. Unique Active - Ghost Ward: Consumes a charge to place an invisible ward that reveals the surrounding area for 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 2 wards from this item at once. All hail new support wriggles. EDIT: And it upgrades too. Depending on the upgrade, it could be good on everyone. It gives 329 gold worth of HP and provides 300 gold worth of wards from the get-go. If you're ever going to place more than 4 wards (pretty much everyone) it's cost-effective immediately and only gets better. Support might actually be the least likely to want it because supports are the most likely to have more than 2 wards up at once. Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:49 kainzero wrote:
wow, even cheaper wards?
mehhh
if it upgrades i can see every lane picking this up since it's super cheap and practically prevents ganks Agreed. The fact that it essentially removes the cost from re-warding your lane after it's been Oracle cleared also potentially makes things awkward for jungle ganks.
With the absence of HOG, it gives a HP buffer and provides "wards" to let you get on with your build. I don't think the intention is to remove all buying of wards, but to reduce it.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 10 2012 08:54 Gahlo wrote:
With the absence of HOG, it gives a HP buffer and provides "wards" to let you get on with your build. I don't think the intention is to remove all buying of wards, but to reduce it.
How often is it that your team wants or needs more than 10 wards on the map at once?
It's going to take an item slot that was pretty much always devoted to wards in the first place, while not costing anything to replace the wards, giving you 125 HP in that slot, AND having the option to build it to something.
Even if their intention is not to remove all ward buying, this honestly has the potential to do that.
I eagerly await the hilarity of having 3xWriggles + 5xSightstone on a team.
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On November 10 2012 08:53 Slayer91 wrote:
supports aren't "least likely to want it" they're "more likely to want it and buy more wards as well"
Yup. It solves nothing.
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On November 10 2012 08:49 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:36 Gahlo wrote:http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31229244#post31229244Sightstone (650 Gold) +125 Health Unique Passive - Refresh (Ward) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop. Unique Active - Ghost Ward: Consumes a charge to place an invisible ward that reveals the surrounding area for 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 2 wards from this item at once. All hail new support wriggles. EDIT: And it upgrades too. Depending on the upgrade, it could be good on everyone. It gives 329 gold worth of HP and provides 300 gold worth of wards from the get-go. If you're ever going to place more than 4 wards (pretty much everyone) it's cost-effective immediately and only gets better. Support might actually be the least likely to want it because supports are the most likely to have more than 2 wards up at once. Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:49 kainzero wrote:
wow, even cheaper wards?
mehhh
if it upgrades i can see every lane picking this up since it's super cheap and practically prevents ganks Agreed. The fact that it essentially removes the cost from re-warding your lane after it's been Oracle cleared also potentially makes things awkward for jungle ganks.
We'll see. I could see it being possibly being good on passive champs who just want to farm into the mid/late game. Aggressive laners won't want to sacrifice lane dominance for extra wards, imo.
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Makes me sad to see Heart of Gold removed.
It was always fun to dunk all the fools who bought it top lane. 
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On November 10 2012 08:53 Slayer91 wrote:
Did they just remove hog and come up with a version that's like 5x better
are they serious?
inb4 oracles new god tier income item with everyone running around with 5 spirit stones
supports aren't "least likely to want it" they're "more likely to want it and buy more wards as well"
And by buy more wards you mean go back to town to refresh the item with 4 new wards? Now making faces with wards is going to be even easier.
edit: if that is actually how it works, going boots 5 is going to be redic.
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its the dumbest thing ive seen riot suggest in a long while wards have a direct gold value throughout the game and if they treat it as anything else than gp10 they are mistaken
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On November 10 2012 08:57 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:54 Gahlo wrote:
With the absence of HOG, it gives a HP buffer and provides "wards" to let you get on with your build. I don't think the intention is to remove all buying of wards, but to reduce it.
How often is it that your team wants or needs more than 10 wards on the map at once? It's going to take an item slot that was pretty much always devoted to wards in the first place, while not costing anything to replace the wards, giving you 125 HP in that slot, AND having the option to build it to something. Even if their intention is not to remove all ward buying, this honestly has the potential to do that. I eagerly await the hilarity of having 3xWriggles + 5xSightstone on a team.
I guess it would all come down to what it builds into and who will find incentive in it. Besides, to put 10 down you'd need 5 Sightstones on your team without buying a wards.
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@Doubleliftx
I just slept for 20 hours. New personal record
CLG pratice schedule too stronk.
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