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On November 09 2012 07:50 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 07:47 cLutZ wrote:Turning on poison doesn't charge it though :-/ That's 188 flips/ults/goos assuming you didn't upgrade tear. No, read it again. Spending mana gains tear charges. Every time poison causes you to drain a portion of mana, you gain a charge.
Ahh, I skipped over that change.
Lol. Singed...
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On November 09 2012 07:54 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 07:45 SgtSquiglz wrote:I really like this item idea, actually. Though the idea of this shield on late game Ryze scares me.... TBH I am more worried about Singed right now. This item is basically saying Singed gets 25+25% mana as health in a teamfight. Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 07:51 thenexusp wrote:On November 09 2012 07:50 Requizen wrote:On November 09 2012 07:47 cLutZ wrote:Turning on poison doesn't charge it though :-/ That's 188 flips/ults/goos assuming you didn't upgrade tear. No, read it again. Spending mana gains tear charges. Every time poison causes you to drain a portion of mana, you gain a charge. Only once every 3 seconds though. I only hope that it's possible to look at Seraph's Embrace in the shop somehow before you buy it, otherwise it'd be pretty beginner-unfriendly (transforms into an item that you don't know what the stats are) But Singed did become the EASIEST champion to build Tear with. You just quickly doubletap Q every 3 seconds to quickly gain a Tear stack. The cost is almost minimal. I will definitely be building this on Karthus. It will also be a much better item on Cassiopeia now because it builds into something that gives survivability.
What about Ryze? He was already unkillable before. And now on top of the resists he gets from FH/Abyssal he gets a 1k HP shield...
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On November 09 2012 07:58 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 07:54 Sufficiency wrote:On November 09 2012 07:45 SgtSquiglz wrote:I really like this item idea, actually. Though the idea of this shield on late game Ryze scares me.... TBH I am more worried about Singed right now. This item is basically saying Singed gets 25+25% mana as health in a teamfight. On November 09 2012 07:51 thenexusp wrote:On November 09 2012 07:50 Requizen wrote:On November 09 2012 07:47 cLutZ wrote:Turning on poison doesn't charge it though :-/ That's 188 flips/ults/goos assuming you didn't upgrade tear. No, read it again. Spending mana gains tear charges. Every time poison causes you to drain a portion of mana, you gain a charge. Only once every 3 seconds though. I only hope that it's possible to look at Seraph's Embrace in the shop somehow before you buy it, otherwise it'd be pretty beginner-unfriendly (transforms into an item that you don't know what the stats are) But Singed did become the EASIEST champion to build Tear with. You just quickly doubletap Q every 3 seconds to quickly gain a Tear stack. The cost is almost minimal. I will definitely be building this on Karthus. It will also be a much better item on Cassiopeia now because it builds into something that gives survivability. What about Ryze? He was already unkillable before. And now on top of the resists he gets from FH/Abyssal he gets a 1k HP shield...
Not sure. I rarely play Ryze so I didn't comment. The maximum mana bonus on Tear/AA actually decreased, so....
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Sorry Neo, no backpack 
I fail ADC.
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One other thing: IMO supports tunnel-vision gp10 as their first buys way too often. Even if it's good to have gp10, there are a large number of scenarios where non-gp10 will crush your lane harder than the gp10 is worth.
Best example is supports not buying Tabi enough bot lane. Tabi with your FB gold absolutely crushes the lane on aggressive supports. It drastically reduces the damage you take from the enemy AD, and the MS advantage coming way before the enemy expects it means you can get initiate kills the enemy wouldn't expect, or force them to play much safer than they would otherwise need to.
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On November 09 2012 08:03 Bladeorade wrote:Sorry Neo, no backpack  I fail ADC.
No worries.
Just don't propose roles when you have an obvious deficiency in one of them. You prob should have gone support if you can't ADC.
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On November 09 2012 08:04 TheYango wrote: One other thing: IMO supports tunnel-vision gp10 as their first buys way too often. Even if it's good to have gp10, there are a large number of scenarios where non-gp10 will crush your lane harder than the gp10 is worth.
Best example is supports not buying Tabi enough bot lane. Tabi with your FB gold absolutely crushes the lane on aggressive supports. It drastically reduces the damage you take from the enemy AD, and the MS advantage coming way before the enemy expects it means you can get initiate kills the enemy wouldn't expect, or force them to play much safer than they would otherwise need to.
This, so much.
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On November 09 2012 07:51 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 07:50 Requizen wrote:On November 09 2012 07:47 cLutZ wrote:Turning on poison doesn't charge it though :-/ That's 188 flips/ults/goos assuming you didn't upgrade tear. No, read it again. Spending mana gains tear charges. Every time poison causes you to drain a portion of mana, you gain a charge. Only once every 3 seconds though. I only hope that it's possible to look at Seraph's Embrace in the shop somehow before you buy it, otherwise it'd be pretty beginner-unfriendly (transforms into an item that you don't know what the stats are) I'm sure there will be some sort of visual indication that this change will happen, honestly adding more active items is going to make it more difficult for new players in general. Not that I think this is a bad thing, if people really want to get good they will take the time to look up outside information about the game, those who just play casually will continue to not care.
That said I'm super excited for all of these announcements and laugh at all the people that were convinced that the item changes would be underwhelming.
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Holy crap, singed/Ryze with archangels would be insane. Singed at level 18 with RoA, seraphs and FH would have ~3250 mana so the shield would be ~810hp, about the same as shen ulti. The shield only lasts 2.5 seconds so you'd have to be careful about when you pop it but that's a pretty insane amount of damage negation from one item. Grabbing charges is difficult though and getting a tear in top lane seems hard to do.
Ryze on the other hand.
RoA + FH + Seraphs + Banshees (Assuming void/rylais/boots as last items), has ~3840 mana
giving him a 960 health shield. If you thought killing ryze was hard before, you're going to love it now. He'll have as much effective health as some bruisers and almost as many resistances.
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On November 09 2012 08:04 TheYango wrote: One other thing: IMO supports tunnel-vision gp10 as their first buys way too often. Even if it's good to have gp10, there are a large number of scenarios where non-gp10 will crush your lane harder than the gp10 is worth.
Best example is supports not buying Tabi enough bot lane. Tabi with your FB gold absolutely crushes the lane on aggressive supports. It drastically reduces the damage you take from the enemy AD, and the MS advantage coming way before the enemy expects it means you can get initiate kills the enemy wouldn't expect, or force them to play much safer than they would otherwise need to.
Yango man. Why you so smart and handsome and clever.
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On November 09 2012 08:05 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 08:03 Bladeorade wrote:Sorry Neo, no backpack  I fail ADC. No worries. Just don't propose roles when you have an obvious deficiency in one of them. You prob should have gone support if you can't ADC. I have no idea what you play most or are proficient at. TBH I fail bot lane in general. I play Mid then Jungle then Top. I have least experience bot lane. Thats why I asked what you wanted since I suck at both, but yeah probably shouldve just supported
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Possible CLG poke comp too.
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CLG Black with 3 AL members?..
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Its just hitting me now how much this is going to change the game. I can't wait to play with this stuff on the pbe.
Someone should start a pbe thread for people to check out new stuff and for people to report things they see on pbe.
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On November 09 2012 08:26 Kouda wrote:CLG Black with 3 AL members?..
and Link with some huge plays for first blood.
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I guess it's AL this time. It was CLG B yesterday with like only 2 or 3 CLG members.
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link seems to sub for every team and always seem to do some cool shit.
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This is AL atm.
CLG B has two open spots but it's not even sure they're going to stay as a team. HoodStomp has still not been replaced. Zuna left for FeaR.
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Well that wasn't close at all. Poor Loco even when they stomping face he still missed 2 sona ultis.
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