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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
November 08 2012 13:24 GMT
#5001
Rofl, and this kid is french, feels bad man
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
November 08 2012 13:35 GMT
#5002
On November 08 2012 20:52 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 20:20 OutlaW- wrote:
i only get banned on tl!
unless eviltelletubby goes through tribunal

I was banned more times by tribunal than on TL:<

I've never been banned on LOL despite being a huge douche, this prove me the tribunal doesn't work.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
November 08 2012 13:43 GMT
#5003
Is s2 officially over? I see people talking about rewards cant check the lol site
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 08 2012 13:45 GMT
#5004
i hope season end is delayed for just a bit more. 54 elo to diamond on tw!!
cool beans
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 14:14:53
November 08 2012 14:06 GMT
#5005
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ju8kat
For those who missed that, it's L1Nk (from CLG.black) giving his insight about the NA scene and CLG.na in particular.

Interesting, it seems that a lot of pro players think CLG.na is a good team (Navi in this very thread said they had potential), but still I never saw them doing anything aside from winning against other NA teams and their play seems really gimicky. The few time I see them winning, they are not even winning in a straight fashion but rely to backdoor, teleport and other type of play.

Also interesting how L1Nk doesn't even mention TSM.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 14:10:35
November 08 2012 14:10 GMT
#5006
I think NA teams tend to know how to do laning phase but not teamfighting where as CLG.NA has been around for so long they kind of get Teamfighting. Dunno hey it's odd
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 08 2012 14:54 GMT
#5007
Wowowowow.
THIS is interesting.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31182511#post31182511

Xypherous really shakes things up in LoL, not always for the better, but at least he's trying to make a big difference.
Makes for a very interesting investment item, though I'm not sure how useful it's REALLY going to be because in order for the regen to be useful you have to get it real early, and the 'aid' passive isn't great at all.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 15:07:23
November 08 2012 15:01 GMT
#5008
On November 08 2012 23:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wowowowow.
THIS is interesting.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31182511#post31182511

Xypherous really shakes things up in LoL, not always for the better, but at least he's trying to make a big difference.
Makes for a very interesting investment item, though I'm not sure how useful it's REALLY going to be because in order for the regen to be useful you have to get it real early, and the 'aid' passive isn't great at all.

Early game item not slot effective? Make it absorb into the champion.

I kind of like it. If they buff Heal or CV to the point where people start taking them again, it might be a really worthwhile investment on support champs. As he points out later in the thread, it opens up slots for consumables later in the game, so you won't worry as much about the "support with items but no wards", rare as it is.

It may actually be pretty cost effective if it still builds out of Philo. If you get Philo quickly (assists from early kills or your AD allows you to farm a bit), it pays itself off probably far before you hit 14, then you buy Miracle and let it disappear late game so you have another slot for aura/wards.

Edit: this:

Some dude:
Now that i think of it... what's to prevent people from demanding supports just get these disapearing items, boots, and then just telling them to fill up on wards?

Xyph:
People kind of do that now already - so first, you have to solve the ward problem somehow.

I'll.. talk about that later. I should probably sleep or something. Night guys


Ward changes inc?
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 08 2012 15:06 GMT
#5009
On November 08 2012 23:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wowowowow.
THIS is interesting.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31182511#post31182511

Xypherous really shakes things up in LoL, not always for the better, but at least he's trying to make a big difference.
Makes for a very interesting investment item, though I'm not sure how useful it's REALLY going to be because in order for the regen to be useful you have to get it real early, and the 'aid' passive isn't great at all.


I wouldn't say that the Aid passive is bad.

Stacking it with the 21 point utility talent it would reduce the cooldown of Heal to a potential 175.5 seconds, as opposed to 178.5 for Exhaust. It would reduce Clairvoyance to 45.5 seconds.

For some supports who already have a lot of CC but no sustain (Janna, Leona), this might make options other than Exhaust attractive. I already take Heal over Exhaust on Janna because she has so many CC tools that I forget to use Exhaust a lot of the time.

The whole remove from your item slot thing is more meh to me. How many games do you fill up all 6 slots as support as is? Maybe if it turned back into the Philo Stone, that might be neat.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 15:11:08
November 08 2012 15:08 GMT
#5010
On November 08 2012 23:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wowowowow.
THIS is interesting.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31182511#post31182511

Xypherous really shakes things up in LoL, not always for the better, but at least he's trying to make a big difference.
Makes for a very interesting investment item, though I'm not sure how useful it's REALLY going to be because in order for the regen to be useful you have to get it real early, and the 'aid' passive isn't great at all.


That's pretty unique, but honestly, I don't see myself building it (currently) because.

1. I never use Heal, CV, or Revive
2. Too expensive for what little use it has.

Xyph hits it on the mark by saying " It's probably terrible but something I wanted to try." Shows that Riot isn't afraid to try stupid shit, which is always good.

Edit: Smash seems to be a hit at Riot, he's already playing 3v3's with Morello! :p
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 08 2012 15:08 GMT
#5011
I can't believe they're actually going to make the armor pen change. I want to wish for the best but wow...

It's ok time for me to embrace my heritage - play Wukong again, and J4 / Xin in prep for the Lu Bu / Zhao Yun skins.

One thing no one mentioned is that casters are going to be absolutely RIDICULOUS. Standard Sorc -> Haunting Guise -> Abyssal openings, and now Void Staff applies first??

MR is harder to come by for most champs, so it's very common to see champs under 100 MR the entire game. Now that 4 item combo is -20 from aybssal, -(80*.4) = -32 from void staff, and the remaining ~50 MR are fully penetrated by MPen reds+Sorc+HG+whatever talents are going to be in s3.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 15:10:43
November 08 2012 15:09 GMT
#5012
On November 09 2012 00:06 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 23:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wowowowow.
THIS is interesting.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31182511#post31182511

Xypherous really shakes things up in LoL, not always for the better, but at least he's trying to make a big difference.
Makes for a very interesting investment item, though I'm not sure how useful it's REALLY going to be because in order for the regen to be useful you have to get it real early, and the 'aid' passive isn't great at all.


I wouldn't say that the Aid passive is bad.

Stacking it with the 21 point utility talent it would reduce the cooldown of Heal to a potential 175.5 seconds, as opposed to 178.5 for Exhaust. It would reduce Clairvoyance to 45.5 seconds.

For some supports who already have a lot of CC but no sustain (Janna, Leona), this might make options other than Exhaust attractive. I already take Heal over Exhaust on Janna because she has so many CC tools that I forget to use Exhaust a lot of the time.

The whole remove from your item slot thing is more meh to me. How many games do you fill up all 6 slots as support as is? Maybe if it turned back into the Philo Stone, that might be neat.

Well, they also talked some time back about new ways to get gold in Season 3, so we may not sit in the "support has no gold and therefore no items the whole game" meta anymore. If the game exists in a state where the support can conceivably fill up their inventory with useful items (alongside pots and wards) at a decent pace, an early game item that retains its stats and doesn't take up a slot will be pretty good.

On November 09 2012 00:08 Sandster wrote:
I can't believe they're actually going to make the armor pen change. I want to wish for the best but wow...

It's ok time for me to embrace my heritage - play Wukong again, and J4 / Xin in prep for the Lu Bu / Zhao Yun skins.

One thing no one mentioned is that casters are going to be absolutely RIDICULOUS. Standard Sorc -> Haunting Guise -> Abyssal openings, and now Void Staff applies first??

MR is harder to come by for most champs, so it's very common to see champs under 100 MR the entire game. Now that 4 item combo is -20 from aybssal, -(80*.4) = -32 from void staff, and the remaining ~50 MR are fully penetrated by MPen reds+Sorc+HG+whatever talents are going to be in s3.

They already said that Xerath might be OP as balls with the change thanks to free MPen.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 08 2012 15:13 GMT
#5013
Xerath deserves to be OP as balls. He's got a really cool design, but nobody plays him.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 08 2012 15:20 GMT
#5014
On November 09 2012 00:08 Sandster wrote:
I can't believe they're actually going to make the armor pen change. I want to wish for the best but wow...

It's ok time for me to embrace my heritage - play Wukong again, and J4 / Xin in prep for the Lu Bu / Zhao Yun skins.

One thing no one mentioned is that casters are going to be absolutely RIDICULOUS. Standard Sorc -> Haunting Guise -> Abyssal openings, and now Void Staff applies first??

MR is harder to come by for most champs, so it's very common to see champs under 100 MR the entire game. Now that 4 item combo is -20 from aybssal, -(80*.4) = -32 from void staff, and the remaining ~50 MR are fully penetrated by MPen reds+Sorc+HG+whatever talents are going to be in s3.

im not sure if they're changing it for magic penetration too, i think i only read about armor pen
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 08 2012 15:26 GMT
#5015
It does.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31158965#31158965
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 08 2012 15:28 GMT
#5016
Note that they also said they would reduce the value of early MPen to compensate for that. So sorcs and maybe guise too? I guess they'll have a sweep at runes since they'll redo masteries anyway.

Dude:
...isn't 10hp/sec LESS health than the item it builds out of? I know it's probably to compensate the fact that Heal is now a little more spammable and, you know, it doesn't take an item slot but, really? Would that extra 5 really break it?

Xypherous:
Well, it certainly does imply that some things will change.

My bet on a philo nerf.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 15:48:17
November 08 2012 15:47 GMT
#5017
Didn't one of those numerous patch preview announcements mention that they were going to reduce some flat and/or % penetration numbers to make up for the change in application order?

I think they mainly want it to be viable to go heavy MPEN of various forms, rather than making you feel like you're wasting money by going for both % and flat.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 15:54:55
November 08 2012 15:49 GMT
#5018
On November 09 2012 00:28 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
...isn't 10hp/sec LESS health than the item it builds out of? I know it's probably to compensate the fact that Heal is now a little more spammable and, you know, it doesn't take an item slot but, really? Would that extra 5 really break it?

Xypherous:
Show nested quote +
Well, it certainly does imply that some things will change.

My bet on a philo nerf.

Would also mean a nerf to Regrowth Pendant since it gives the 15 HP5. Or, they will change the item needed to Rejuvenation Bead. Subsequently, since the new version gives more MP5 it would require Meki Pendant instead of Faerie Charm.

Meki Pendant (390g) + Rejuvenation bead (250g) + 160g = Philosopher's Stone (800g)
Food for thought.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 08 2012 15:50 GMT
#5019
Yes, Xypherous said in his big thread that it's akin to +- 5% on those items (so prob 35% for LW). Which doesn't do anything for my "what if I want more flat ArPen for my assassins" but they don't say anything about that and the future items. :[
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 15:55:03
November 08 2012 15:53 GMT
#5020
On November 09 2012 00:28 Alaric wrote:
Note that they also said they would reduce the value of early MPen to compensate for that. So sorcs and maybe guise too? I guess they'll have a sweep at runes since they'll redo masteries anyway.

Dude:
Show nested quote +
...isn't 10hp/sec LESS health than the item it builds out of? I know it's probably to compensate the fact that Heal is now a little more spammable and, you know, it doesn't take an item slot but, really? Would that extra 5 really break it?

Xypherous:
Show nested quote +
Well, it certainly does imply that some things will change.

My bet on a philo nerf.


And a regen pendant nerf too? Or probably they'll just make philo stone build out of rejuvination bead

Subsequently, since the new version gives more MP5 it would require Meki Pendant instead of Faerie Charm.

Nah, elisa's miracle has always given very high mp5 from purely upgrading a faerie charm (3mp5 -> 8mp5 -> 20mp/5)
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