EPTThis is assuming that you're at a lower elo than where you think you belong. If you're actually a 1500-level player but are at 1200, it is your responsibility to 1) never lose lane, and 2) make plays for your team. You also have to tell everyone else where to go and when, and when to fall back, since you can never rely on anyone else to have common sense. Never get caught out of position, and be patient when behind. Overall that's what worked for me. It takes a while and is frustrating as hell when your teammates are stupid but if you are consistently outplaying everyone you'll eventually move up to where you belong.
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
This is assuming that you're at a lower elo than where you think you belong. If you're actually a 1500-level player but are at 1200, it is your responsibility to 1) never lose lane, and 2) make plays for your team. You also have to tell everyone else where to go and when, and when to fall back, since you can never rely on anyone else to have common sense. Never get caught out of position, and be patient when behind. Overall that's what worked for me. It takes a while and is frustrating as hell when your teammates are stupid but if you are consistently outplaying everyone you'll eventually move up to where you belong. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On November 07 2012 03:00 Alaric wrote: I'm all "fuck it" to randuin's because I go philo->kindlegem on Mao (or just kindlegem on Mundo, goes to Visage if I need MR fast on top of NMM for aegis, goes to Zeke if I can someone tank anyway with just aegis) and I love the CDR on FH. You get ~8% from masteries at level 18, 15% from Shurelya, so it's only ~3% "wasted" when you get from shroud to FH, and quite late. I'll build randuin's if needed (even 2 can't be too much in the late game) but as long as my itemization isn't too skewed (I'll often build aegis off of boots1 because mercs are so expensive so I don't like to have to itemize a lot of MR on Maokai, armor isn't as much a concern since chain vest also helps tanking towers) I don't feel that gimped for HP. Mao's heal actually doesn't really scale more with HP than it does with resistances — given the way it works, it scales much more with AS (proc it faster) and the team compositions (Ryze, Karthus, Sona even on the enemy team make you tanky as balls. It gives the same amount of EHP if you double your resistances or your HP anyway (it just that HP is an all-around more useful stat). I often feel shorter on HP on champs such as Trundle (Trundleeeeeeeeeeee T_T) or Nocturne now that I don't build HoG on them anymore. On another topic, 1441 and climbing. But I know my true level to be closer to 1400 than 1500 and I've got wonderful teams for the past three games so statistically I'm more likely to fail now. Yeap, just happened. A premade that got fed, cocky, and made a lot of 2v4 awful plays then blamed us. On nocturne and trundle i usually find myself going something like, wriggles hog(hog way earlier if i have a super good early game) then phage into aegis. never seems like i have too little hp | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
This is assuming that you're at a lower elo than where you think you belong. If you're actually a 1500-level player but are at 1200, it is your responsibility to 1) never lose lane, and 2) make plays for your team. If you're a 1500 player, that's going to happen automatically. That's what makes you not 1200. It's not like "if you are 1500 -> this", it's "if this -> 1500" | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:14 UniversalSnip wrote: If you're a 1500 player, that's going to happen automatically. That's what makes you not 1200. It's not like "if you are 1500 -> this", it's "if this -> 1500" Any 1500 Elo player will crush any 1200 Elo player in lane. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's basically 800+ gold later than Philo->HoG. And every minute you delay your gp10 makes it less and less compelling. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31104797#31104797 HoG after wriggles may be awful, but then again i havent touched trundle in forever, and since i mostly play Udyr jungle anyway the way i play noct/trundle may not be efficient anymore | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:18 Sufficiency wrote: Any 1500 Elo player will crush any 1200 Elo player in lane. I've come to agree that these types of statements are somewhat imperfect to use. "1500 ELO player" meaning what? As there are several areas of the game that you need to excel in to succeed, it's difficult to know exactly what that means. If your hand-eye coordination, last hitting, and matchup knowledge are on par with the average 1500 ELO player, you may feel like one in lane. But that says nothing about decision making, communication, and risk-factoring, all of which may be sub-par and cost you games. So does that average one out to a "1300 ELO player"? I used to think that because I won lane 85%+ of the time (and generally very one sided at that), that I was at least 1400 compared to the other players. But now I realize that my focus in fights is shit, I don't watch wards nearly enough, I take way too much damage from minions during trades, I don't watch my jungler to see if he's ganking (though a ping/message is usually preferred to them just running in without saying anything), and I often engage when it's not clear to my team that they should follow up. Yet I win in nearly every 1v1 situation I've been in lately (short playing new champs/enemy getting super fed from elsewhere) against people that are supposedly at the same ELO as myself, will ward the correct spots, combo right, and have better harass. Where does that leave me? It's easier to say "I'm a X ELO player", rather than "I'm an unobservant but knowledgeable player", or "I'm a good decision maker who lacks mechanics", or "I play well by myself but have issues communicating with my team", but it isn't nearly as descriptive. ...I had a point. My gears haven't been moving correctly lately, pardon my ramble. | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:18 Sufficiency wrote: wut i beat 1500 elo players in lane and im 1100Any 1500 Elo player will crush any 1200 Elo player in lane. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:31 TheYango wrote: FoN was always sort of a weird item, seeing as it was more or less a straight port of Hood of Defiance from DotA. The problem is that Hood's niche isn't all that useful when it's one of the only MR sources in the game and it doesn't build into anything like Hood does. Makes sense to remove it. I thought it was a pretty good item, like the ultimate +MR item, with the retarded health regen + ms stats tacked in there too. Basically confirms 3 new items though, since he mentioned splitting all of its components up. aswell as a more than likely sorta confirmed warmogs remake | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:28 arb wrote: Think i may be slow, but FoN removed from the game and its parts added into separate items! http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31104797#31104797 HoG after wriggles may be awful, but then again i havent touched trundle in forever, and since i mostly play Udyr jungle anyway the way i play noct/trundle may not be efficient anymore Right now if you get fed, you can skip wriggles on noct and go full hard carry mode and just nuke fools every time you gank. Don't want to build HoG here, maybe an aegis to get tanky in a hurry, but not HoG. If you don't get fed, you don't really want to build it because you're going to want the wriggles for clearing and it comes too late. Maybe after the jungle changes come and you can get like an 8min wriggles+boots->12-13 min HoG it'll come back, but until then don't bother. HoG is only really good on GP10 junglers. | ||
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seRapH
United States9829 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:32 samthesaluki wrote: wut i beat 1500 elo players in lane and im 1100 Yea the statement is kinda false, any elo player can potentially beat any other player in lane depending on how good their mechanics are and their knowledge of the matchup. This applies to 1200s beating 1500s and 1500s beating 2k. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:34 arb wrote: I thought it was a pretty good item, like the ultimate +MR item, with the retarded health regen + ms stats tacked in there too. Basically confirms 3 new items though, since he mentioned splitting all of its components up. aswell as a more than likely sorta confirmed warmogs remake I think he implied that the health regen was going into Warmog's. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:31 TheYango wrote: FoN was always sort of a weird item, seeing as it was more or less a straight port of Hood of Defiance from DotA. The problem is that Hood's niche isn't all that useful when it's one of the only MR sources in the game and it doesn't build into anything like Hood does. Makes sense to remove it. I can think of several way more weird/useless items *cough* Cloak & Dagger *cough* | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On November 07 2012 00:18 Sandster wrote: I had to climb out of ~1200 about a year ago myself. I kept thinking I shouldn't be at that elo, but in hindsight I really was at that skill level. I got out of it with a ton of games playing jungle/top and realizing how important communication and map objectives are, and how ridiculously powerful jungle and bruisers are at that elo. (Carries don't farm well -> they do less damage -> bruisers are in comparison even stronger.) I realized AD is the hardest role to play at 1200. Reasons are simple: AD relies on support early game to farm in 2v2 lane, and relies on team later on to act as a meat shield for you later in the game. You are entirely reactive in positioning. Lastly, you probably don't cs that well either, so you do comparatively less damage. If you want to play AD, I suggest you find a support to duo with who understands proper ward coverage, brush control, and when to harass/engage and when to simply protect you to let you farm. (In other words - someone who probably isn't 1200 elo.) Not many people willingly support in ranked, and from what I can see it's the least understood role, so chances are you get paired with a guy who has absolutely no interest in helping you safely farm. All I can say is - play all the roles, communicate with the team, and ping/lead your team to global objectives. You'll improve a lot after just playing the game, even if you don't notice it at first. Good luck! I promise when S3 starts I will give a shit again and we can duo. XD | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:38 Dan HH wrote: I can think of several way more weird/useless items *cough* Cloak & Dagger *cough* Holy crap I completely forgot that item exists. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:56 Sandster wrote: Holy crap I completely forgot that item exists. theres also moonflair spell blade and elisas miracle | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Either that or they just remove merc treads and you have to pay for tenacity MUAHAHAHAHA but probably the former | ||
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