[Patch 1.0.0.150: Shadow Isles] General Discussion - Page 22

On October 25 2012 23:35 Sandster wrote:
The armor pen change sounds really, really broken by the way. Just from current items/masteries/runes:

Masteries: 6 armor pen, 10% armor pen
Runes: 15 armor pen (25 if you use quints too)
Brutalizer: 15 armor pen, 1337g
LW: 40% armor pen, 2290g

Let's assume % pen is still multiplicative. For 3600 gold you do true damage for the entire game to anyone who doesn't build armor, and crush upwards of 200 armor champs to almost nothing (60ish armor). This is not counting other effects from your team (Black Cleavers, Corki, etc)

Wukong's late game just got even more hilarious.

On October 26 2012 00:31 Alaric wrote:
Well on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametv Volibear just flinged Ezreal after he E'd away.

On October 26 2012 00:33 Requizen wrote:

Yeah, Fling works the same way. There's a couple others, can't think of them at the moment, but Skarner's got the most QQ on the forums, so it got the hammer.

On October 26 2012 00:36 NotSorry wrote:
Is there a break between the end of S2 and the start of S3 or is it just flow right into the other?

On October 26 2012 00:30 Sandster wrote:


Yeah, just bumping my post. They can't let this go through.

If I'm looking at this right the 10% pen mastery + LW currently gives 46% armor pen. The arp marks/quint setup + brutalizer gives you 46 flat pen. In other words while the AD carry is still working on that IE you're basically dealing true damage to anyone below 100 armor, not counting the effects of Corki/Taric/Wukong. This means that everyone will rush LW, which is exactly what they didn't want with DFG.

If you run a team comp of Black Cleaver Corki + Taric bot lane, and bruiser/assassin that builds brut+LW top, even Malphite would get chunked like he's MF. Meanwhile your mid is building Sorc + Haunting Guise + Aybssal. And they're making resists MORE expensive? The game is going to be ridiculously snowbally.

On October 25 2012 23:01 gtrsrs wrote:


agreed
when you try to flash to ult as skarner, you should force a reaction flash 100% of the time and miss your ult against aware players. that's the purpose, a flash for a flash. the fact that you could still grab someone despite them flashing was just icing, and really frustrating to play AGAINST. you will still be able to flash grab 100% of the time against players with worse mechanics/reactions than you.
now the skill has just been normalized to work as intended and you'll actually have to trade flashes instead of getting their flash for free (plus the kill), just like any other ganking champ

besides skarner's strength has always been his dual-purpose Q which hasn't been changed. might have to tinker a bit with QEW for first 3 levels, but again, a 4s nerf on W is actually like a 2s nerf on W in the jungle. will hurt his insane escapability, but using that as a crutch for risky play was bad anyway

basically all the fotm kiddies will stop playing skarner now and my win% will stay high :swag:


also inb4 the %-pen change is a huge success for assassins and a huge disaster for ADC, making them even stronger t_t

On October 26 2012 00:41 Simberto wrote:


Hm. This would basically make anything below 85 armor useless, and afterwards you still have to deal with 46% armorpen far earlier then at the moment. I am too lazy to calculate this at the moment, but it logically makes everyone more squishy, and health more useful in comparision to armor/MR. Also, it is good for people like Lee Sin who have pretty high base damages and thus profit a lot more from this. Which would help the ADC-centric lategame people have been complaining about by making bruisers stronger. Sadly it also makes them stronger during the midgame, which is already a phase they shine at. I might be wrong here, but i see a distinct possibility of a team without an ADC abusing midgame timings hard, and still not falling off too hard lategame. Basically, this is kind of an indirect ADC nerf by making everything else stronger.

On October 26 2012 00:30 Sandster wrote:


Yeah, just bumping my post. They can't let this go through.

If I'm looking at this right the 10% pen mastery + LW currently gives 46% armor pen. The arp marks/quint setup + brutalizer gives you 46 flat pen. In other words while the AD carry is still working on that IE you're basically dealing true damage to anyone below 100 armor, not counting the effects of Corki/Taric/Wukong. This means that everyone will rush LW, which is exactly what they didn't want with DFG.

If you run a team comp of Black Cleaver Corki + Taric bot lane, and bruiser/assassin that builds brut+LW top, even Malphite would get chunked like he's MF. Meanwhile your mid is building Sorc + Haunting Guise + Aybssal. And they're making resists MORE expensive? The game is going to be ridiculously snowbally.

I realize that, what I'm saying is that this is the exactly OPPOSITE of what they did with DFG. They nerf DFG to make it more of a late-game item. That's what LW currently is - a late game item to deal with tanky bruisers.

If any %pen item like LW is in the game post-patch, it will be rushed along with whatever flat pen items are in the game (like brutalizer). I don't think this is the way to make assassins come back because it utterly kills item diversity. (Your opponent will stack armor like rammus on crack. If you build "normal" BF items instead of %pen/flat pen items you do way less damage, and have to get a %pen item anyway later on.)