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[Guide] Twisted Treeline Season 2

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Last Edited: 2012-09-30 06:18:32
September 30 2012 05:21 GMT
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Season 2 for League of Legends is coming to a close, and with it comes end-of-season rewards. For those of us that struggle with proper League of Legends (5 on 5 arranged play) or it's secondary mode (solo queue), RIOT has blessed/cursed us with another queue to try to reach gold rating and earn War Hero Janna. Some of the braver among us will even try for loftier goals - being ranked in all queues, platinum or diamond. As someone who has gained a lot of knowledge on League from TL, I want to give back a bit. Here is all my knowledge about the map Twisted Treeline that I've learned from spamming games going for multiple diamond ratings. I'm not trying to insinuate that I'm the best Twisted Treeline player in the game or even on this board. But I am a diamond-rated player, so please take as much as you'd like to learn from me and my limited TT experience.
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What you need to play Twisted Treeline
1. A team that you're comfortable communicating and teamfighting with. Twisted Treeline is a team game through and through, and 3 pubstars will get wrecked every time by coordinated players. If you're not using vent or skype, you're going to run into trouble.
2. An iron resolve, if you're shooting for higher than gold. Twisted Treeline is a relatively small community. As such, you'll run into the same players over and over again, and you will probably lose a lot when you run into the more seasoned TT players. Which leads to the next point...
3. A masochistic personality. Twisted Treeline is not fun at all. The map is poorly designed and can be extremely exploitable. When you lose you will feel cheated, and when you win you won't feel fulfilled. When you lose several games in a row you will hate your teammates and when you win several in a row you will feel like you're getting worse at League of Legends. It sucks and the prize isn't worth it.

Do you meet the above criteria? ... And you still want to play? Alright then, let's get into the basics.

The Basics
Twisted Treeline is about buff control and champion kills. In order of importance here's what you should be trying to do:
  • 1. Control dragon buff - dragon is worth 280 gold for each player and gives a damage bonus about relative to Baron buff on Summoner's Rift. If you give up 2 or 3 dragons, you will have a very hard time winning.
  • 2. Base turret - this beast of a structure regens at a massive rate, but once you have it down, the nexus is exposed permanently.
  • 3. Control red buff - red buff is akin to dragon on Summoner's Rift. You should always sneak it when you can, and getting it will give you a big boost in the early game. As an added bonus, it's also like red buff on SR in that it will make your ganks really beastly.
  • 4. Take outer towers - The towers outside the base are your lunch, you should be taking these as soon as physically possible, meaning if you can pick up a kill and 3man push a tower at level 2, do it. There's no reason to leave them standing.
  • 5. Control top jungle - a wealth of experience, the top jungle is also really tough. You'll almost always get low trying to take these buffs and if you get caught here, you're done. Remember the first time you jungled on SR at summoner level 10 and you got wiped out because you had no runes? It's a lot like that in the top jungle, except now you're fully runed and level 30 and these creeps will still make you their bitch.
  • 6. Champ kills - any time you can catch an enemy champion in a position to kill them, do it, no matter what it takes (short of your own life). 3v2 is unloseable so if you get a kill, you have free reign of any buff you want. After champ kills, rush dragon, red, towers, top jungle, in that order.
  • 7. Inner towers - any time you secure an ace or double kill, and outer towers are down, take an inner tower if possible. JUST the tower though.
  • 8. Basically everything else on the map, whatever that is.
  • 9. Inhibitors - the quickest way to ensure a miserably long and drawn out game is to kill an inhibitor at a point that you can't kill the base turret or nexus. Due to the poorly designed map, minions can be easily dragged into the enemy fountain and killed for free experience with no danger to the base tower while the champions are healed by the turret. Super minions will also always push down the inhibitor once you've killed it once, so the enemy team can stall the game infinitely once you've taken an inhib unless you end it. Just don't do it. It's the biggest noob trap.



Somewhat limited tier list, based on only ~70 games watched or played, and conversations with top TT players.
These are the champs that I think are playable on Twisted Treeline based on tiers. Within the tiers, there's some wiggle room, but the tiers themselves are pretty distinct from each other. Basically, champions are strong in 3 categories on TT: mobility, burst damage, CC. Tankiness is secondary, sustained damage is tertiary, mana costs are trivial, and not much else is super important on the map, imo.

Rengar Tier - champions that are must ban, and if not banned, must first-pick, regardless of their position on the map.
  • Yorick - the power of turning a fight from 3v3 to 4v3 is so much more pronounced than turning a 5v5 to a 6v5 in SR. His ghouls are also imbalanced for blocking skillshots (especially Lee's Q!) as well as making him very hard to kill (again, 15% damage reduction is much more pronounced against only 3 champs focusing you rather than 5).
  • Nunu - has no real burst to speak of, but is strong in the other 2 categories. Unlimited mobility with his W, for him and his teammate, and unlimited CC from snowball and ult. He's the best laner on TT, and the best jungler. He's also the best support hero. In fact, Nunu is so rubbish that you can build him AD, AP, tank, or hybrid and still find success with him.
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  • Rengar - Rengar's kit screams Twisted Treeline dominance, and his numbers scream overpowered. When his numbers get normalized to a balanced level, he'll still be extremely strong on TT. Too much burst, too much utility with ult, too much mobility with brush jumps. No one can escape you or kill you ever. I've seen Rengar lose exactly twice and both times the skill differential between the winning and losing teams was extreme enough that the winners could have afk'd and won. Just pick him.
  • Lee Sin - The second best jungler, second best support hero, and a top tier laner. Lee's the only non-brain-dead champ in the top tier, he actually takes skill to play. If you suck with Lee, don't pick him... but if you leave him open, the other team will abuse Lee and crush you. OP.

Top Tier - excellent secondary bans and first picks. You will see at least 2 of these champions every single game on TT.
  • Darius - too much damage with no items. He will eat any lane alive. Hook gives him the lategame utility to completely fuck over the enemy team even if you're behind.
  • Ezreal - mobility and poke. Lacks CC and is fragile, so make sure you ban at least 2 gap-closers (Irelia, Jax, for example) or pick peelers (Cho'gath, Leona) if you plan to play Ez. Lategame once he has some lifesteal he's the hardest TT carry thanks to his slipperiness.
  • Jax - invulnerability during stun makes him too strong, especially against all the heavy auto attackers on this map. Gap closer and tons of sustain push him from good to best.
  • Jayce - once he gets some more nerfs he'll move to a "best of the rest" status but for now, too abusable. Really underplayed, you can get Jayce every game if you know how to play him. His ranged EQ is essential for dragon/red sieges. His QE in melee makes every lane a breeze and he's very slippery with tons of mobility for his teammates.
  • Singed - for a long time, Singed was king of TT. The strategy with singed was to push your lane like crazy, then use poison to farm the jungle camps. Since then, much stronger bruisers have come out that can disrupt this pattern. He's still a king, just no longer the god of farm. Very hard to kill and strong disruption and utility.

Next Best Champs by Lane
Jungle:
  • Shaco - another champ that can hit level 3 or 4 basically instantly and get a huge gank on top. But just like in 5s, if you fuck up your gank it's over, you lose. Pick with care.
  • Alistar - early ganks, late CC. Pick if Nunu/Lee/Shaco are banned and the enemy has at least 1 champ that has a channel (Fiddle, Kat, etc.) or you have a very AOE-centric comp. Build AP.
  • Shyvana - if you have to jungle, take Shyv. Her gank is meh but she can engage/disengage lategame and she will at least be somewhat farmed. You'll want a Wriggle's. She's better as a top laner that can take jungle camps than a dedicated jungler.
  • No one - Seriously, the jungle on TT is much harder than on SR. It's even harder than pre-remake SR jungle. You will fucking die if you try to jungle anyone else. And even if you survive, you won't have very strong ganks or much impact. It's better to put 2 in a lane if you can't secure Nunu/Lee/Shaco/Ali.

1v1 Lane:
  • Riven - CC, damage, mobility, shield. No mana. Perfect TT champ. Struggles against a lot of the higher picks though, which is why she isn't higher. Lee, Nunu, Yorick can all fuck your world.
  • Irelia - her passive hits the sweetspot at 3 opponents, she'll never get CC'd down, and she does a ton of damage even building tanky. Nice!
  • Diana - CC, mobility, shield, great damage.
  • Rumble - too much damage, too much lane control. Is also great in the 2v1 lane.
  • Pantheon - a gapcloser that stuns, tons of damage, mobility with ult. Pantheon is who you pick if you know you're against someone worse than yourself because he's so easy to abuse large skill gaps with.
  • Renekton - dashes, cc, survivability and sustainability.

1v2 Lane:
  • Gragas - can farm from a distance even when zoned. And then, even if he doesn't get a ton of farm, his ult is a gamewinner.
  • Olaf - can farm from a distance with axe and is an excellent gank-assister.
  • Morde - an iffy pick if they have CC, but if they for some reason pick champs without it (for example, Rumble Shyvana Ezreal, which is a viable comp) then you should take Morde. He's not a tank btw, he's an AP caster.
  • Kayle - press E, farm from safety. Slippery and hard to gank.
  • Katarina - can farm from safey, has a ton of mobility and damage reduction, and is a great gank assister.
  • Kennen - can't be forced out of lane, period. Great teamfight ult even if underfarmed
  • Galio - sleeper OP on TT. His ult is great even if underfarmed, but the real power is his W, which turns anyone into a tank, especially against only 3 people.

2v1 Lane:
  • Pantheon - just shove your spear up their ass.
  • Rumble - free harass with harpoons. Overpowered flamethrower to finish them off once your lane partner commits.
  • Ahri - long-ranged skills make harassment and zoning a breeze. Can't be ganked past level 6. Is better as a support hero than a primary carry.
  • Malphite - you'll run him as a support since he needs so little farm to be effective. Just max Q with mana regen and chalice, and then zone at will.
  • Blitzcrank - GODHAND
  • Any support + AD carry combo - specifically supports with peeling ability like Janna/Lulu, and ADs with displace or dash abilities (Vayne with cleanse is god on this map if she has 2 peelers).

Other Completely Viable Champs That I Didn't See A Ton Of
Cho'Gath, Leona, Xin Zhao, Brand, Kha'Zix, Annie, Akali, Nidalee, Jarvan IV, Fiora, Fizz, Kassadin, Shen, Mundo, Urgot, Ziggs, Vladimir, Warwick, Volibear, Zyra, Wukong, Garen, Gangplank.

Noob Trap Tier - bad champs that bads think are good.
  • Tryndamere - lategame champs are not ideal on TT. Tryndamere needs at least a Wriggles and a PD before he gets strong, and good luck getting that kind of farm against Darius, Jayce, Jax, or any other anti-autoattack bruiser. He is mobile but has no real burst to speak of, and absolutely no utility.
  • Poppy - "Poppy is great on TT because there are so many walls" is like the #1 thing I've heard from people inexperienced on TT. She sucks ass. She can't lane against anyone, and this entire game is about the laning phase/early game. She has no early game whatsoever and the entire game can be decided in the first 4 minutes. Don't pick her.
  • Sion - AP sion would be viable if his spells cost less than 2901532 mana. AD sion is just out. Not enough time to get strong.
  • Nasus - a situational pick, maybe against Irelia. You won't get massive levels of Q-farm, you'll be relying on your ult for damage, and your wither/zone for utility.
  • Master Yi - can actually do decently if they have no CC, but he also requires a lot of farm which is hard to come by.
  • Karthus - you lose 40% of his ult's effect because there are less opponents, and the small map means you're losing the "global" effect too. Also too blue reliant. Why do people think he's good? O_o



Dos, Don'ts, and Lategame Quandaries
Do
  • Take Smite on your jungler, or a laner if you have no jungler. Buff control is everything.
  • Take Flash if you're in the solo lane. You will get ganked and camped and you will need an escape.
  • Learn spots that you CAN and CAN'T flash. Here's a terrible flash followed by an excellent flash:
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  • Utilize your skills on champs only. Don't go OOM trying to kill creeps (except buffs). Utilize the max range of your skills to get the most out of them:
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Don't
  • Jungle, unless you have a page for it. You need at the very minimum armor yellows and offensive reds. Jungling when you aren't prepared to jungle is a recipe to remain level 3 forever!
  • Skill your first point until you know if you're engaging the enemy or if the enemy is engaging you. Consume is a great skill to jungle with but a poor level-1 fight ability. Consider Ice Ball if you plan on engaging instead.
  • Get cocky or go man-mode. Facechecking is a surefire way to lose. Here's a quick flowchart on brushes on TT: Is there a brush anywhere near you? Yes -> The enemy is inside it. There you go.
  • Build tanky unless you get offensive stats from your tanky build (Galio, Malphite, Rammus) or you are the support champ. Generally you want 3 bursters rather than 3 tanks. There are always exceptions, of course! Against a triple physical damage team, someone should get a Frozen Heart and someone an Aegis. But generally, build offensive items.


How to Play Twisted Treeline
  • Pick synergistic champs. Just picking 3 champs from the top tier isn't enough to win. Xin Zhao, Darius, Kha'Zix are all good champs, but lack the CC to shut down an enemy Nunu ult. Vayne and Ezreal are gods on this map, but not when paired together. Get 2 champs to defend 1, not 1 champ to defend 2.
  • Push your lane, then gank the other lane. This forces your opponent to CS under the tower, likely missing gold. Otherwise they can follow you out of lane and lose experience. It's win-win for you.
  • Hide in brushes, use hooks, pulls, do anything you can to catch the opposing team off-guard.
  • Do not take any inhibitor unless you can end the game. This is especially true against teams with a ranged champion (unless you have a ranged champ yourself). The ability to turtle is too strong in this map.
  • Be better than your opponent. This seems like the most obvious thing ever, but it needs to be said. There's no comebacks on Twisted Treeline. If your opponent out plays you, you will lose. It's better to afk and let your opponents push at 6 minutes because you fucked up your first teamfight than to drag out the game for 85 minutes (which I made the mistake of doing once during this run) and completely demoralize yourself, which will cause you to snowball more losses.
  • If you're playing against a ranged AD and (one or two) support(s) champ, and you don't massively dominate them early, just surrender. Ezreal and Vayne especially become too strong if they get a kill or two. You're wasting your time and demoralizing yourself if you aren't winning teamfights consistently against ranged ADs, because ranged ADs are literally impossible to push against with all melee champs.
  • Have confidence, play with assertion, put the enemy team on /ignore, and focus only on the game. Like I said in the intro section, Twisted Treeline is not anywhere near fun. This guide is to help you grind out digital rewards. If you find yourself going at your teammates for mistakes, it's time to quit, because it's not worth it. If you want to have fun, go play ARAM



Tested and True Comps
  • Vayne, Cho'gath, Leona: Vayne and Leona go top lane, zone the enemy 2v1. Cho'gath either pushes bot 1v1 and takes camps, or farms 1v2 and plays passively depending on if you have a jungler. Vayne (with cleanse) is the majority of the damage output, Leona and Cho are there for their combined 5 CCs and true damage nuke. Cho builds AP, Leona builds auras and CDR. Smite not necessary in this comp.
  • Riven, Shyvana, whatever: Manaless champs that are dominant early game, provide mixed damage and CC, and are extremely mobile. Shyvana top lane, Riven bot lane with a support hero (such as Nunu, Malphite, Galio, etc). Riven has smite. Shyvana pushes top to tower then farms top jungle, Riven pushes bot to tower then farms mid jungle. Stack D-blades and Wriggles' and go for every dragon as early as level 4.
  • Rumble, Lee Sin, Ezreal: Lee Sin is the support hero here, using his CC and kick to protect Ezreal. Rumble builds tanky AP items so that your opponents have to choose between focusing an AP tank that will do damage regardless of your focus, or 2 slippery ADs that can disengage at will.
  • Warwick, Cho'gath, Mordekaiser: Cho'gath builds AD/AS, uses his CC in conjunction with Morde and Warwick's ults to grab an enemy ghost off the bat. All three champs are tanky but do massive damage. Careful fighting when your ults are down or if you fail to secure an enemy ghost immediately.
  • Jarvan, Annie, Wukong: Jarvan's battle pit ensures that Tibbers and Wukong do maximum damage. Tons of mixed damage. When this was run against us, Wukong didn't even build boots until about 12 minutes in, he focused only on damage. Annie stayed in the back when her cooldowns were down.



Twisted Treeline is a hard path... but if you persist... you can make it to diamond even if you're bad like me:
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Thanks for reading! Extra special thanks to ShakeDrizzle, FGxL Hao, Yiruru, i am Shihao, 408, Aerodactyl, LovelyChris, Veetine, Xzevz, RF Legendary, and getonmehlvl for playing with me, teaching me, and letting me spectate their games.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 30 2012 06:13 GMT
#2
Nice guide. The J4, Annie, Wukong comp sounds hilarious.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 30 2012 06:16 GMT
#3
On September 30 2012 15:13 HazMat wrote:
Nice guide. The J4, Annie, Wukong comp sounds hilarious.

Very similar to my Malph/Rumble/Wukong comp.
Shit just explodes at level 6...only recently we started losing games after getting to ~1550 due to simply getting outplayed by better teams.

That and Cho'Gath.
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
September 30 2012 06:44 GMT
#4
Played a little TT. Best comp I found was Nunu/Armor Bear/Pantheon. I'm not good though, but that shit was fun.
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 06:48:41
September 30 2012 06:48 GMT
#5
First of all I'd like to add that all junglers have to open cloth+5. There's no getting around that afaik

Opinions on udyr in TT? I've run him a few times and his early jungle seems alright, both phoenix and tiger seem to do well enough. He's alright as a jungler and can take a buff camp at level 2 with smite. He suffers a huge amount from needing bear to gank but not being able to get bear til level 4 without hurting his jungle ability.

My friends used TT to get gold and champs that I've run are teemo/bruiser lulu bottom. Both AD/AP teemo seem to be alright and he fulfills a very similar role to kayle. With the teamcomps you generally see, teemo actually wrecks a team that has only one gap closing person to send at him, especially after he gets a phage. Lulu on the other hand is alright 1v2 with her Q and coupled with irelia/shyvana/jax or any other gap closing tank, does work after level 6.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 30 2012 06:54 GMT
#6
Vayne, Cho'gath, Leona <--- I need to try this.
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VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
September 30 2012 06:56 GMT
#7
Perhaps you can go a little in depth talking about jungling? I've almost no clue how to go about it. I've watched a bit of Slack0h's stream but I can only gain so much from that. I've seen people actually jungle, I've seen Nunu only "jungle" to feed CS to the top lane, but I still barely have a grasp on it from routes to specifics.

I haven't seen much about jungling on TT except "xx champs are good at jungling" which doesn't help too much.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 07:02:38
September 30 2012 07:01 GMT
#8
On September 30 2012 15:48 Lmui wrote:
First of all I'd like to add that all junglers have to open cloth+5. There's no getting around that afaik

Opinions on udyr in TT? I've run him a few times and his early jungle seems alright, both phoenix and tiger seem to do well enough. He's alright as a jungler and can take a buff camp at level 2 with smite. He suffers a huge amount from needing bear to gank but not being able to get bear til level 4 without hurting his jungle ability.

My friends used TT to get gold and champs that I've run are teemo/bruiser lulu bottom. Both AD/AP teemo seem to be alright and he fulfills a very similar role to kayle. With the teamcomps you generally see, teemo actually wrecks a team that has only one gap closing person to send at him, especially after he gets a phage. Lulu on the other hand is alright 1v2 with her Q and coupled with irelia/shyvana/jax or any other gap closing tank, does work after level 6.


cloth + 5 is beneficial on shyvana if you run her in top lane. she can push the lane very hard with her skills, shrug off the harass from the opposing laner with her extra pots, then use the armor effectively in the jungle... but for every other top tier jungler, i would disagree. i start boots + 3 on nunu, lee, and alistar (and i don't play shaco, but if i did, i'd open boots + 3). for other non-recommended junglers, cloth + 5 is probably better. but there's a reason you don't really jungle unless you can secure one of the top junglers.

udyr is actually the champ i would run if i got against rengar in an evenly skilled match. he's got the tankiness with turtle to cancel out a good amount of burst and regen the life back after the rengar assault, as well as the burst with tiger to deal good counterharass. i would run him top lane or in the jungle. he's a beast with red but he suffers from 2 problems - 1 in that with no blue buff you really struggle to jungle consistently (you need to spam turtle more to survive, so your mana drops lower, and no sigils to restore it) and 2 he gets shut down by some of the popular picks like nunu. there's also no solid build path for him IMO. mallet is really strong on TT but it also kind of sucks ass on udyr. i would take tiger over phoenix, grab a wriggles into aegis, then maybe triforce? honestly though, unless you're picking into rengar, i'd take shyvana over udyr, and probably mundo too.

i haven't seen a successful teemo on TT, so in my opinion he kinda sucks. he's strong as a top laner on SR because it's an isolated lane, he can set up a web of shrooms, and he's a good lane bully. in TT, you will be under constant assault from junglers/bot lane, and you don't have the mana regen/pool to set up that many shrooms. that being said, there are definitely worse champs. but if you're going to run a ranged AD, run Ez or Vayne or MF instead. if you want an AP champ, run gragas or diana or another beefier AP instead. i guess up to the gold level, though, teemo is fine.


On September 30 2012 15:56 VashTS wrote:
Perhaps you can go a little in depth talking about jungling? I've almost no clue how to go about it. I've watched a bit of Slack0h's stream but I can only gain so much from that. I've seen people actually jungle, I've seen Nunu only "jungle" to feed CS to the top lane, but I still barely have a grasp on it from routes to specifics.

I haven't seen much about jungling on TT except "xx champs are good at jungling" which doesn't help too much.


yes, i will definitely write out some routes and some more info on the jungle, with screenshots, tomorrow. thanks for the feedback
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 30 2012 07:03 GMT
#9
Teemo gives a lot of map control after he hits 6. Map control is extremely important for TT. The problem is the "hitting 6" part. Otherwise I think he is really good.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 30 2012 07:06 GMT
#10
You should really add trundle to the 1v2 lanes, though he's underplayed his ult shreds all the common bruisers, he has decent jungle control aswell. Gangplank is also strong in a 1v2 lane if you know what you're doing.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 07:13:50
September 30 2012 07:08 GMT
#11
On September 30 2012 15:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Vayne, Cho'gath, Leona <--- I need to try this.

I know what team Guitar stole this from . They run it everygame and it's really strong. Leona goes kind of tanky brusier style.

Mochiballs team I think it was.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 30 2012 07:14 GMT
#12
On September 30 2012 16:06 Sponkz wrote:
You should really add trundle to the 1v2 lanes, though he's underplayed his ult shreds all the common bruisers, he has decent jungle control aswell. Gangplank is also strong in a 1v2 lane if you know what you're doing.


trundle has no chance in a 1v2 lane whatsoever. with no ranged abilities or escapes, he can't farm and he's a sitting duck. he can do well in a 2v1 lane, but i only saw him used once as a "counter" to yorick and he was spectacularly underwhelming. pillar is a gamechanging skill, but i don't think his other skills bring enough to the table to take him over any other pick i listed. that being said, if i do see a successful trundle, i'll happily add him to the list for 2v1s.

gangplank is a viable pick. ult gives global presence, he has a decent teamwide steroid, and yes he can farm somewhat decently 1v2. i spectated a game with Veetine/Aerodactyl/LovelyChris using GP (can't remember if it was Aero or Veetine on GP though) where they rushed sheen for higher pewpew damage on his parrrley, ran him in the 1v1 bot lane, and used his ult to help control dragon fights while he farmed up IE and Triforce.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 30 2012 07:14 GMT
#13
Btw a really strong comp is Cho Darius + X. 2 strong laners that Insta kill anyone.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 30 2012 07:22 GMT
#14
On September 30 2012 16:14 gtrsrs wrote:
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On September 30 2012 16:06 Sponkz wrote:
You should really add trundle to the 1v2 lanes, though he's underplayed his ult shreds all the common bruisers, he has decent jungle control aswell. Gangplank is also strong in a 1v2 lane if you know what you're doing.


trundle has no chance in a 1v2 lane whatsoever. with no ranged abilities or escapes, he can't farm and he's a sitting duck. he can do well in a 2v1 lane, but i only saw him used once as a "counter" to yorick and he was spectacularly underwhelming. pillar is a gamechanging skill, but i don't think his other skills bring enough to the table to take him over any other pick i listed. that being said, if i do see a successful trundle, i'll happily add him to the list for 2v1s.

gangplank is a viable pick. ult gives global presence, he has a decent teamwide steroid, and yes he can farm somewhat decently 1v2. i spectated a game with Veetine/Aerodactyl/LovelyChris using GP (can't remember if it was Aero or Veetine on GP though) where they rushed sheen for higher pewpew damage on his parrrley, ran him in the 1v1 bot lane, and used his ult to help control dragon fights while he farmed up IE and Triforce.



I've tried 1v2'ing alot, and if people want to shut that laner down early, just grab the exp from range and last hit under turret, get a wriggles fast so you can farm even safer and just stack up on your solo-laner and protect him in fights. You shouldn't really have in troubles past wriggles though. And yeah pillar so OP.
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DeltaBravo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
September 30 2012 07:35 GMT
#15
Since I've usually just played TT to blow off steam and troll around in shorter, less serious games, how valueable are wards? Do you only ward the objectives here since you can usually tell where a champion is due to the smaller maps, or do they take on a higher value because of how much action there is in the jungle?
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 30 2012 07:42 GMT
#16
On September 30 2012 16:35 DeltaBravo wrote:
Since I've usually just played TT to blow off steam and troll around in shorter, less serious games, how valueable are wards? Do you only ward the objectives here since you can usually tell where a champion is due to the smaller maps, or do they take on a higher value because of how much action there is in the jungle?


At the very minimum you want the red buff warded. Ideally you'd have both red/dragon perma warded later in the game similar to how you'd ward baron/drag.

It's pretty damn important because it stops someone from getting 3 man ganked without warning.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 07:49:12
September 30 2012 07:48 GMT
#17
Nice job guitar. This is solid.

Edit: would be cool if people talked more about team comps, since that really is more than half of what TT is about. :o
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Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1017 Posts
September 30 2012 12:01 GMT
#18
What about Heimerdinger? I thought he'd do well with less champions about. Just curious.

Really nice guide, makes me want to get back into playing that map.
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Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 15:35:21
September 30 2012 15:34 GMT
#19
I've actually enjoyed the few TT games I've played, but I can never get anyone to join me. I'd be interested in the previously suggested jungle guide and maybe a good/bad item list if you're so willing. Since I mainly played Lee Sin, Mundo, Nunu, and Singed when I played some TT last year, it's nice to know that they weren't completely terrible choices. (though maybe they were then, IDK) Maybe I'll try it again and throw my Darius in the mix.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 30 2012 22:57 GMT
#20
Twisted Treeline is not fun at all. The map is poorly designed and can be extremely exploitable. When you lose you will feel cheated, and when you win you won't feel fulfilled. When you lose several games in a row you will hate your teammates and when you win several in a row you will feel like you're getting worse at League of Legends. It sucks and the prize isn't worth it.


god this speaks to me
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
September 30 2012 23:42 GMT
#21
Yo Guitar what you think of Karma?
She provides almost nothing for CC or mobility but she has a juicy combination of burst and antiburst, and a lot of dudes appreciate her W speedboost.

Also Promote secret treeline op, free towers all day.
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iaeuy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 01:04:05
October 01 2012 00:43 GMT
#22
Lulu and Karma are pretty strong anti-meta picks imo :O
Lulu is one of the best 1v2 and destroys many typical mass bruiser comps with her combination of ccs. Her ult and shield also do a lot more on TT, because you're typically placing them on a bruiser with at least decent resists fighting against other bruisers l0l. Also effectively impossible to kill in teamfights. My personal pick for sleeper op~
Karma is pretty similar to lulu, but less CC and more aoe burst. Her mediocre range is less of an issue on TT (and her AoE is more likely to hit multiple members because mass melee picks tend to bunch up in fights)
Wukong suggested as a partner for both. Making him impossible to kill and his ult twice as deadly is pretty entertaining. :o
(hi i totally didnt get stomped before by wukong-karma yepyep)

Also my team has run Udyr a lot in the past with pretty good results (in both lane and jungle). The straight-up dueling power of tiger udyr is pretty tough to match, and his TT lategame is generally a lot better than his SR lategame. He's just a solid all-around bruiser, with pretty good damage, cc, tankiness and mobility.
I've also played Trundle a bit as a solo laner with decent performance, hes OK imo. He has some pretty decent lane matchups, and people always underestimate him. I generally built wriggles, mallet for insane sticking power while being even more impossible to kill.

Morgana is situational but also viable imo. One of the safest farmers in the game and her ult destroys triple melee comps.

Wards are very important on TT, it's quite common to have pink ward wars at mid and dragon within 5 minutes. Notable is that warding in front of dragon lets you see more passages and the actual pit, but makes it more vulnerable to pinks. The alternative is placing the ward in one of the two brushes below the buffs, which still lets you see the entrance to the dragon pit. Mid and dragon are by far the most important ward locations, but other notable ones include the long oval brush to give vision of the camp and avoid pink at mid, the circle brush as you are setting up for dragon, and the defensive triangle bush ward once your first tower is down.

Also it is notable that once your inhibs are down, you can pull the creep wave into your fountain as it walks into your base. This is pretty much the only way to defend if you're down inhib (and is the main reason you shouldn't necessarily take inhib if you cant end) and it prevents the game from ending until the team is strong enough to essentially tank the turret.

For new players:
Rengar and Rumble are pretty l0l on TT, beware. Their ults give them pretty much global presence.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
October 03 2012 04:16 GMT
#23
Bumping this. Re-requesting the jungle expansion.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 03 2012 04:26 GMT
#24
vowels plz carry me to diamond 3s
iaeuy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States249 Posts
October 03 2012 05:32 GMT
#25
On October 03 2012 13:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:
vowels plz carry me to diamond 3s

real bly
kicks me from tl DIAMOND and then asks for carry :o
also i suck at 3s
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
October 05 2012 19:46 GMT
#26
Hihi guys, haven't been on this subforum in awhile so I'm not sure where to post this. If a mod could move to appropriate place if not here that would be highly appreciated.

I'm looking for a team to go for diamond in 3's, currently 1600 in 3v3 playing with RL friends but they aren't that serious. Highest solo queue rating last season was 1848 (but with 75% winrate and could have gotten a lot higher). No rating this season since I dodge-tanked my solo queue to prove to my buddy that ELO hell didn't exist and also for lols. PM me on TL please if you want to start a team or need a 3rd.
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
October 06 2012 02:49 GMT
#27
Got gold in 3's in a day running a galio riven teemo comp (renek filled in for riven in one game, and ahri for teemo in another due to bans/counterpicks) without dropping a single game, just for the skin. The 3 of us are gold level 5's players, but was really surprised by having no defeats with such a weird comp.

Basically, Teemo (me) went top with ignite/flash, riven (smite flash) with galio (exhaust flash) bot, with riven taking most of the farm and rushing a wriggles, after which he just roamed and we essentially had 2 solo lanes. I build teemo as pure AP (Nashors, Deathcap), riven builds standard AD (wriggles, BT, GA) and galio builds tanky ap (chalice, aegis, scepter).

We didn't run into any issue, but any of the 3 champs can solo really well, so you can adjust around if teemo can't handle top, or if you really need some ranged power bot.

We had very low killing power until 6, but after that we had a retarded power spike, with teemo getting massive map control, and galio riven being a devastating kill comp. We had 2 games reaching very late game, and then teemo AP is just devastating, dealing basically AD carry grade magic damage, Riven bursting everyone down and galio just locking people down with ult. I doubt many team comps can beat this late game.

I suggest this comp to anyone trying to get the skin, it's really easy and painless experience
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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
October 06 2012 03:12 GMT
#28
We ran morde most games i played jax alot also i did a sick play riven about to kill me i flash over her ult to other side of her
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
October 15 2012 18:02 GMT
#29
Bumping again for jungler info.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 21:10:30
October 15 2012 19:30 GMT
#30
On October 06 2012 12:12 samthesaluki wrote:
We ran morde most games i played jax alot also i did a sick play riven about to kill me i flash over her ult to other side of her


How do you guys usually build morde?
Well let me rephrase that. We have a 3v3 team (900-1200 Elo is solo q) and we usually run a combo of jayce/mundo or cho/morde or rumble but our mordes game plan is to essentially go for fb and if he fails rush a fon or warmogs depending on the other team. If course then we have a bruiser who does no damage and has no cc so I've been trying to get him out of that mindset but I've never really played morde in any way other than while leveling to thirty so I don't have a practical build to give him and saying "do more damage" doesn't really help.
Merfyn
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom945 Posts
October 18 2012 19:27 GMT
#31
God I really cant wait to play some 3s again I stopped playing lol about a year ago due to my partners and I having school, but when we did play, we used to do Taric / Kennen / Olaf (or sion), got it to about 1700 ELO and teams used to rage so hard when playing us
Has TT changed a lot since then (like any MAJOR changes, not just champions etc) and do more people play it now? or is it still 5s all the way? :D
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
October 18 2012 19:40 GMT
#32
I play Singed/Volibear/Lee Sin with my friends in 3s. We call it Fling-Fling-Kick. You can't escape.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 18 2012 19:53 GMT
#33
Well this thread is dead pretty soon....
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LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
October 18 2012 20:36 GMT
#34
Seems like it, and still no answer on that jungle question.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
October 19 2012 03:33 GMT
#35
Sad panda.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 19 2012 08:11 GMT
#36
Woa. Not getting inhibs O_O

I've fallen for this noob trap.
Jaedong :3
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
October 21 2012 05:07 GMT
#37
Thanks for the leona, vayne, cho comp. Won 6 straight games and got gold :D
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