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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 01 2012 14:50 GMT
#1201
On October 01 2012 23:48 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 22:25 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Maybe I'm just a baddie, but I haven't been able to do super well with bug top just yet. Maybe he just doesn't do well vs. Darius. Probably I'm just bad. Are people building him standard DBlades into BT into more kill stuff? Also, I just miss with his AA all the time. Jungling with him was good though. Jump ganks fun.

Took me like half a game to realize his Q isnt an on attack effect and is actually a targeted spell -_-.

His Q is WW's Q but shit tons better.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
October 01 2012 14:51 GMT
#1202
Some thoughts on Kha'Zix:

Kha'Zix definitely isn't great at teamfights. His stealth doesn't last long enough for you to get out of a teamfight, so if you go in, either you're all-in or you get a kill and reset your evolved E and jump out immediately.

Also, the cooldown on the initial cast of his ult is fairly long, so you can't really ult -> auto -> ult again -> auto very quick. This means that while he has decent burst, he needs a few seconds to apply his full combo, similar to ahri.

I've been playing him almost exclusively top lane. As jungler his ult is really good for starting a gank, but as a top laner his ult is really only useful for securing a kill once you've engaged. Aside from that, late-game it's useful for juking in the jungle, but won't do much in a teamfight. Because of this, I usually don't get his ult evolution at all. Early-game evolving his Q is better for laning phase, and then late-game you need the mobility from E and the teamfight damage from W.

It's important to note that his gap-closer is also his only escape. If you haven't built tanky, and you jump into a teamfight, you better a) have evolved E, and b) get a kill almost immediately so you can jump back out. Otherwise, you're dead.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#1203
Can't you just stealth to a nearby bush depending on the location of the fight?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 01 2012 14:59 GMT
#1204
On October 01 2012 23:51 BlasiuS wrote:
Some thoughts on Kha'Zix:

Kha'Zix definitely isn't great at teamfights. His stealth doesn't last long enough for you to get out of a teamfight, so if you go in, either you're all-in or you get a kill and reset your evolved E and jump out immediately.

Also, the cooldown on the initial cast of his ult is fairly long, so you can't really ult -> auto -> ult again -> auto very quick. This means that while he has decent burst, he needs a few seconds to apply his full combo, similar to ahri.

I've been playing him almost exclusively top lane. As jungler his ult is really good for starting a gank, but as a top laner his ult is really only useful for securing a kill once you've engaged. Aside from that, late-game it's useful for juking in the jungle, but won't do much in a teamfight. Because of this, I usually don't get his ult evolution at all. Early-game evolving his Q is better for laning phase, and then late-game you need the mobility from E and the teamfight damage from W.

It's important to note that his gap-closer is also his only escape. If you haven't built tanky, and you jump into a teamfight, you better a) have evolved E, and b) get a kill almost immediately so you can jump back out. Otherwise, you're dead.

i think skirting around the back lines for when someone gets isolated and blowing your load on them is prob your best bet, his leaps range is obnoxiously long too.

I didnt know what to build alst game so i just went double dorans bruta BT then phage and some random shit after. Any really recommended builds for him?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 01 2012 15:01 GMT
#1205
On October 01 2012 23:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 22:55 Celial wrote:
On October 01 2012 19:29 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
from digibet "The 100% bonus up to 20 Euro applies only to customers living and residing in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Luxembourg". does anyone happen to live there? PM me and we could work something out

odds are http://i.imgur.com/JTC6W.jpg
as far as betting goes i'm thinking TPA and WE are both very attractive at 34 to 1 odds apiece and both being seeded into top 8 directly.


do you really see TPA or WE winning more than once in 34 attempts? against THAT competition?


I think CLG.eu give you the best odds compared to chance they have.


nope I'd say best odds/best chances title goes to iG and Najin Sword.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
October 01 2012 15:03 GMT
#1206
On October 01 2012 23:59 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 23:51 BlasiuS wrote:
Some thoughts on Kha'Zix:

Kha'Zix definitely isn't great at teamfights. His stealth doesn't last long enough for you to get out of a teamfight, so if you go in, either you're all-in or you get a kill and reset your evolved E and jump out immediately.

Also, the cooldown on the initial cast of his ult is fairly long, so you can't really ult -> auto -> ult again -> auto very quick. This means that while he has decent burst, he needs a few seconds to apply his full combo, similar to ahri.

I've been playing him almost exclusively top lane. As jungler his ult is really good for starting a gank, but as a top laner his ult is really only useful for securing a kill once you've engaged. Aside from that, late-game it's useful for juking in the jungle, but won't do much in a teamfight. Because of this, I usually don't get his ult evolution at all. Early-game evolving his Q is better for laning phase, and then late-game you need the mobility from E and the teamfight damage from W.

It's important to note that his gap-closer is also his only escape. If you haven't built tanky, and you jump into a teamfight, you better a) have evolved E, and b) get a kill almost immediately so you can jump back out. Otherwise, you're dead.

i think skirting around the back lines for when someone gets isolated and blowing your load on them is prob your best bet, his leaps range is obnoxiously long too.

I didnt know what to build alst game so i just went double dorans bruta BT then phage and some random shit after. Any really recommended builds for him?

Ive been going boots phange BT wits finish mallet glacial situational to a decent amount of success. I dunno how good it is overall but its been allowing me to trade in lane then stick to and finish off most people after a teamfight
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 01 2012 15:10 GMT
#1207
On October 02 2012 00:03 Kyhron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 23:59 arb wrote:
On October 01 2012 23:51 BlasiuS wrote:
Some thoughts on Kha'Zix:

Kha'Zix definitely isn't great at teamfights. His stealth doesn't last long enough for you to get out of a teamfight, so if you go in, either you're all-in or you get a kill and reset your evolved E and jump out immediately.

Also, the cooldown on the initial cast of his ult is fairly long, so you can't really ult -> auto -> ult again -> auto very quick. This means that while he has decent burst, he needs a few seconds to apply his full combo, similar to ahri.

I've been playing him almost exclusively top lane. As jungler his ult is really good for starting a gank, but as a top laner his ult is really only useful for securing a kill once you've engaged. Aside from that, late-game it's useful for juking in the jungle, but won't do much in a teamfight. Because of this, I usually don't get his ult evolution at all. Early-game evolving his Q is better for laning phase, and then late-game you need the mobility from E and the teamfight damage from W.

It's important to note that his gap-closer is also his only escape. If you haven't built tanky, and you jump into a teamfight, you better a) have evolved E, and b) get a kill almost immediately so you can jump back out. Otherwise, you're dead.

i think skirting around the back lines for when someone gets isolated and blowing your load on them is prob your best bet, his leaps range is obnoxiously long too.

I didnt know what to build alst game so i just went double dorans bruta BT then phage and some random shit after. Any really recommended builds for him?

Ive been going boots phange BT wits finish mallet glacial situational to a decent amount of success. I dunno how good it is overall but its been allowing me to trade in lane then stick to and finish off most people after a teamfight

I built a frozen heart after BT i think, seems like the extra mana pool helps out some.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 15:35:44
October 01 2012 15:35 GMT
#1208
On October 02 2012 00:01 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 23:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On October 01 2012 22:55 Celial wrote:
On October 01 2012 19:29 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
from digibet "The 100% bonus up to 20 Euro applies only to customers living and residing in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Luxembourg". does anyone happen to live there? PM me and we could work something out

odds are http://i.imgur.com/JTC6W.jpg
as far as betting goes i'm thinking TPA and WE are both very attractive at 34 to 1 odds apiece and both being seeded into top 8 directly.


do you really see TPA or WE winning more than once in 34 attempts? against THAT competition?


I think CLG.eu give you the best odds compared to chance they have.


nope I'd say best odds/best chances title goes to iG and Najin Sword.


i really like iG and Najin for the title, but the fact is:

1. they're 23 to 1 compared to WE and TPA's 34 to 1
2. they have to play group stages which are bo1 -_-

overall it makes me feel like WE is an overall more solid bet and i would bet on them but i haven't seen them play with new lineup in a while so iono
cool beans
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 01 2012 15:43 GMT
#1209
On October 02 2012 00:35 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 00:01 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 01 2012 23:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On October 01 2012 22:55 Celial wrote:
On October 01 2012 19:29 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
from digibet "The 100% bonus up to 20 Euro applies only to customers living and residing in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Luxembourg". does anyone happen to live there? PM me and we could work something out

odds are http://i.imgur.com/JTC6W.jpg
as far as betting goes i'm thinking TPA and WE are both very attractive at 34 to 1 odds apiece and both being seeded into top 8 directly.


do you really see TPA or WE winning more than once in 34 attempts? against THAT competition?


I think CLG.eu give you the best odds compared to chance they have.


nope I'd say best odds/best chances title goes to iG and Najin Sword.


i really like iG and Najin for the title, but the fact is:

1. they're 23 to 1 compared to WE and TPA's 34 to 1
2. they have to play group stages which are bo1 -_-

overall it makes me feel like WE is an overall more solid bet and i would bet on them but i haven't seen them play with new lineup in a while so iono

I was merely responding to ihasaKAROT and Im gonna bet my money on both iG and Sword since their odds are that appealing, will bet a small sum on WE as well. but not on TPA since their team has been weak for a few months now.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 01 2012 16:11 GMT
#1210
You know you've lost a lot of Elo when you can first pick Mundo, steal Amumu's red and kill their top laner with a level 2 gank without breaking a sweat again.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 01 2012 16:45 GMT
#1211
Somehow when I dropped below 1230, the quality of games is phenomenally worse than at 1250-1300

4 games in a row people in pregame chat start off with "fuck you" for no apparently reason, and at least one hard random each game.

But my enemies are so bad I'm still able to win like half of these just ignoring my whole team and playing 1v5. Why do people play this game when they have no intention of winning in the first place and no cognitive capacity for self-improvement?
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JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
October 01 2012 17:06 GMT
#1212
On October 02 2012 01:45 xes wrote:
Somehow when I dropped below 1230, the quality of games is phenomenally worse than at 1250-1300

4 games in a row people in pregame chat start off with "fuck you" for no apparently reason, and at least one hard random each game.

But my enemies are so bad I'm still able to win like half of these just ignoring my whole team and playing 1v5. Why do people play this game when they have no intention of winning in the first place and no cognitive capacity for self-improvement?


Hey it's just like 1800 elo.
LoL: Soles | forever 1600
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
October 01 2012 17:12 GMT
#1213
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/compete-honor

Welp, that's something i'll never attain.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
October 01 2012 17:13 GMT
#1214
I´ve lost a shit ton of ELO aswell and in the last game our team was Lee sin jungle (me), leblanc mid, trynd top and ez/karma bot lane. We won.....

Picks really don´t matter at low ELO. I´d say it´s 40% snowballing, 50% throws and 10% pick/teamcomps.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 01 2012 17:14 GMT
#1215
Lol, after every game your premade 5 all gives you honor points each, EZ honorful person
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 01 2012 17:16 GMT
#1216
On October 02 2012 01:45 xes wrote:
Somehow when I dropped below 1230, the quality of games is phenomenally worse than at 1250-1300

4 games in a row people in pregame chat start off with "fuck you" for no apparently reason, and at least one hard random each game.

But my enemies are so bad I'm still able to win like half of these just ignoring my whole team and playing 1v5. Why do people play this game when they have no intention of winning in the first place and no cognitive capacity for self-improvement?

Smurfed at 1600 elo on EU w at 17:00 -> 20:00 , people are incredibly nice. I can't play junglers for shit mid and lategame and I almost lost us the game multiple times but they just gave obvious advice and didn't get mad.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 01 2012 17:25 GMT
#1217
I just noticed that in all but one of the games I've played over this last week, there was a Rengar in each one.

I also really hate his ulti. It feels like unless you carry a vision ward and get lucky when you drop it, or you happen to have your oracles nearby he gets a free escape every time. It really needs a fade in time or something. And sometimes he doesn't even need to escape. Pop ulti when low, swing around the back, bye bye carry. What the hell just happened.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
October 01 2012 17:25 GMT
#1218
I'm at 1200-1300 right now.

Just won a game where we were behind by 10-20 kills. (And we still won after losing baron.)

I'll go with Hankafrog... Many games are decided by snowball effect.
ALOT OF THROWS HAPPEN, so a game is never over. In my game, one of their guy DCed for 5 minutes (still, they were so AHEAD that 4v5 was hard). But the DC bought us some time. Then, after he reconnected, they started doing stupid stuffs (worse than my team), and we've won because we sticked together.

I dunno if I can make it to 1500 (for the reward!)... I'll need like 10+ consecutive wins (at 20 elo each). If I stick with a 2:1 ratio, that's still 30+ games.

The honor system looks interesting. Is it already up?

As long as you can't honor someone multiple time, I'm fine with this.
In fact, why don't they just build a reputation system? You are good? You get honored. You have a bad attitude? Team can report you (if needed), and you also get some bad karma. And then, you put bad people with bad people, good with good. So good people get more quality and friendly game. The other people are dropped into ELO hell... eh I mean behavior hell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 01 2012 17:33 GMT
#1219
What I meant is that I know the level dropped when I can get away with stuff I couldn't when at 1400+. Trashed an Alistar in his jungle without anyone moving a finger yesterday too.

Also regarding premade 5s that honor each other, maybe it isn't available to players in premades? And they said that if you spam it you'll run dry.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 17:37:39
October 01 2012 17:36 GMT
#1220
On October 02 2012 02:33 Alaric wrote:
What I meant is that I know the level dropped when I can get away with stuff I couldn't when at 1400+. Trashed an Alistar in his jungle without anyone moving a finger yesterday too.

Also regarding premade 5s that honor each other, maybe it isn't available to players in premades? And they said that if you spam it you'll run dry.

They also said your honor bank gets recharged in matchmade games only, which seems to rule out premade 5s.

Edit: just as I wrote that I realized you're still matched with opponents so idk
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