EPT[Patch 1.0.0.148: Kha'Zix] General Discussion - Page 59
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Requizen
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IMoperator
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jadoth
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 01 2012 15:41 IMoperator wrote: Just the way they are designed is stupid. It's like riot combined a bruiser and an assassin for Rengar and Kha'zix. You can't really focus them first in a fight because they're pretty tanky, but they also do ridiculous damage, so what are you supposed to do? It's like a fed Ryze... you can't ignore him because he's spamming AOE nukes, debuffs and snares, but he's tanky as shit with Tear, boots, RoA, FH and Banshee's. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On October 01 2012 15:41 IMoperator wrote: Just the way they are designed is stupid. It's like riot combined a bruiser and an assassin for Rengar and Kha'zix. You can't really focus them first in a fight because they're pretty tanky, but they also do ridiculous damage, so what are you supposed to do? Im not sure why people think they are so different to lets say a Xin or a Darius. Also tanky, also bursty as hell. Also easily shutdown earlygame with a gank or 2. These champions allways do insane on release because people are not sure what to do against them. Sure rengar is slightly too OP, but when shutdown he cant snowball that easily, same for most assasinbruisers imo | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On October 01 2012 16:11 ihasaKAROT wrote: Im not sure why people think they are so different to lets say a Xin or a Darius. Also tanky, also bursty as hell. Also easily shutdown earlygame with a gank or 2. These champions allways do insane on release because people are not sure what to do against them. Sure rengar is slightly too OP, but when shutdown he cant snowball that easily, same for most assasinbruisers imo Xin and Darius are similar, but they're still just bruisers. Rengar and Khazix have the ability to go stealth, they get extra advantages for being out of sight, they have gap closers, they have escapes. Overall they're just more versatile. Xin and Darius do a lot of damage, yes, but they have to go all in every fight in order to do anything. Rengar and Khazix can jump in, destroy a carry, and then they're able to get out a lot of the time if they ever get low. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 01 2012 15:54 ticklishmusic wrote: It's like a fed Ryze... you can't ignore him because he's spamming AOE nukes, debuffs and snares, but he's tanky as shit with Tear, boots, RoA, FH and Banshee's. Its like a fed Ryze...without the need to be fed, or the crappy earlygame, and the ability to jungle (if there was a counter-pick). On October 01 2012 16:15 IMoperator wrote: Xin and Darius are similar, but they're still just bruisers. Rengar and Khazix have the ability to go stealth, they get extra advantages for being out of sight, they have gap closers, they have escapes. Overall they're just more versatile. Xin and Darius do a lot of damage, yes, but they have to go all in every fight in order to do anything. Rengar and Khazix can jump in, destroy a carry, and then they're able to get out a lot of the time if they ever get low. This. A "bruiser" can zone a carry by diving it. Basically what that mean is you are trying to have the other team blow CDs on a tanky char and forcing their ADC to kite, while you focus squishy targets and your ADC just Right clicks to victory. Rengar (and possibly Khaz, I haven't seen him in enough games to decide) don't zone the ADC, they kill the ADC. Not only that, they are immune from proper ADC positioning and can absorb damage. Its like a Darius and an Irelia are diving you. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
coincidence? | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Rengar could be much more balanced if his ult only worked on isolated target too. It would give a better chance to defend the carry. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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IMoperator
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On October 01 2012 16:32 ihasaKAROT wrote: Just saying , their weakness is their earlygame. They are supposed to kill carrys in teamfights. Its like veigar is supposed to oneshot AP carrys lategame when caught out, or how Ashe is supposed to kite the enemy team around forever lategame etcetc They're not weak early game though, at least not top lane. Like I said earlier, with the whole stupid bush mechanic, they will just continually go into the bushes and then attack you because it will deal extra damage. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On October 01 2012 17:01 Sufficiency wrote: Can someone tell me why Akali is more acceptable as a top laner than mid? In my mind Akali feels stronger mid because she has more rooms for roaming; she also has a lot of easy match ups because of her stupid sustain.... what did I miss here? She's fine mid and fine top, I've never heard anyone say she can't go mid... There are plenty of mids who can really make her day suck though, just from range advantage and forcing her out before 6. It a lot easier for her when her lane opponent has to come out from under tower to CS and she has the range advantage and ability to ranged farm to make up for that shitty phase. Plus why would you go akali mid when diana exists | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 01 2012 17:01 Sufficiency wrote: Can someone tell me why Akali is more acceptable as a top laner than mid? In my mind Akali feels stronger mid because she has more rooms for roaming; she also has a lot of easy match ups because of her stupid sustain.... what did I miss here? She's probably better mid than top because she's an assassin that wants to roam. The problem is that Diana and Katarina both have better lane phases and are both good assassins. Kassadin's lane phase is probably worse or just as bad early but Kassadin in mid/late game is a lot stronger and more reliable than Akali imo. Pretty much no one loses to her mid pre-6 lol. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 01 2012 17:18 sob3k wrote: Plus why would you go akali mid when diana exists sorry, I hate to call you out specifically, since this is actually something that's really common, but I absolutely hate it when this attitude is taken about any champion. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On October 01 2012 17:43 barbsq wrote: sorry, I hate to call you out specifically, since this is actually something that's really common, but I absolutely hate it when this attitude is taken about any champion. usually its unwarranted, but IMO Diana and Akali are absurdly similar, except Diana burst harder, has more teamfight utility, and lanes better | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On October 01 2012 16:15 IMoperator wrote: Xin and Darius are similar, but they're still just bruisers. Rengar and Khazix have the ability to go stealth, they get extra advantages for being out of sight, they have gap closers, they have escapes. Overall they're just more versatile. Xin and Darius do a lot of damage, yes, but they have to go all in every fight in order to do anything. Rengar and Khazix can jump in, destroy a carry, and then they're able to get out a lot of the time if they ever get low. Well, Poppy has much more presence in teamfights but that doesn't mean she's stronger than others. I don't disregard opness of Khazix and Rengar, but they're also prone to CC and detectors. They work same as talon. Huge burst, stealth, assasin type, I don't know whats the fuss about. They're just popular now. Talon in decent hands also carries the game in solo Q. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 01 2012 18:37 bokeevboke wrote: Well, Poppy has much more presence in teamfights but that doesn't mean she's stronger than others. I don't disregard opness of Khazix and Rengar, but they're also prone to CC and detectors. They work same as talon. Huge burst, stealth, assasin type, I don't know whats the fuss about. They're just popular now. Talon in decent hands also carries the game in solo Q. Talon has less sustain, tank less, less mobility both in and out. Don't forget Rengar bonetooth necklace who is half the opness of rengar: he snowball hard and is really strong early | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On October 01 2012 18:37 bokeevboke wrote: Well, Poppy has much more presence in teamfights but that doesn't mean she's stronger than others. I don't disregard opness of Khazix and Rengar, but they're also prone to CC and detectors. They work same as talon. Huge burst, stealth, assasin type, I don't know whats the fuss about. They're just popular now. Talon in decent hands also carries the game in solo Q. They both have way more sustained damage than talon | ||
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