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On September 17 2012 15:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 15:00 TheYango wrote:On September 17 2012 14:55 wei2coolman wrote:
I think you undervalue health regen over a period of a laning phase. It depends on the lane. If you're taking moderate amounts of damage regularly, then regen is useful. In the case of Teemo vs. melee tops, you're not likely to take regular, moderate damage. If they try to get small damage on you, you just kite, and massively outtrade them. Most melees cannot afford to do those kinds of small harassment trades against Teemo to begin with. Most melee tops have to commit to you to trade with you--you're not taking small regular harassment that you want to regen through. You want HP+offensive/resistance stats to win the trade when a melee chooses to commit to you. Odd O.o, what usually happens. I do small trade, I take around same amount of damage, I out HP regen them, the 3rd-4th trade forces them out of lane, or they die. Then again, I have been taking Teemo against Jayces, so the increased HP doesn't really do much for me (DAT E).
You shouldn't be taking the same amount of damage in trades against melee tops as Teemo. Your blind+poison basically ensures that you come out ahead of trades so long as you know when to back out. And backing away is easy because of your W.
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Health regen as a stat is pretty much completely useless for any role in any lane. The only time it has an effect is if you're taking harass damage that you can't trade back vs, but then after a while the person whos shitting on you will just ult and kill you. Normal trades in any lane should leave both team's laners chunked, then pretty much before you can trade again the jungler will smell blood and initiate something that will leave a bunch of people dead.
But then again I think TL underrates GP10s in general as an income generator. Also, GP10s may be better at lower elo where trades happen more often and junglers are too stupid to capitalize on anything. I remember laners at lower elo to be very aggressive and confrontational when they did not have the strength to back it up. Whatever you do just remember to follow your heart, don't become sheep, and chauster #1.
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On September 17 2012 15:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Health regen as a stat is pretty much completely useless for any role in any lane. The only time it has an effect is if you're taking harass damage that you can't trade back vs, but then after a while the person whos shitting on you will just ult and kill you. Normal trades in any lane should leave both team's laners chunked, then pretty much before you can trade again the jungler will smell blood and initiate something that will leave a bunch of people dead.
But then again I think TL underrates GP10s in general as an income generator. Also, GP10s may be better at lower elo where trades happen more often and junglers are too stupid to capitalize on anything. I remember laners at lower elo to be very aggressive and confrontational when they did not have the strength to back it up. Whatever you do just remember to follow your heart, don't become sheep, and chauster #1.
Yay, let's have the GP10 discussion again!!!
Wait, no, let's not go there...
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Hmmm. I'll give dring/dblade more tries on top teemo, then. But, i think everyone knows, I LOVE MY Gp10's.
man it's fucking weird as hell watching pro players play positions they don't normally play, in solo queue. like the occaisional Scarra top, and St.V mid (though he did sub for AL's ap mid for tourney), and what not.
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HP10 useless in every lane. LOL.
Now I've heard everything.
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so basically there are definitely builds, playstyles, etc that are optimal at low elo but not at high elo and vice versa. But then if you are actually thoughtful enough to realize what is optimal you probably aren't low elo.
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On September 17 2012 15:25 Craton wrote:
HP10 useless in every lane. LOL.
Now I've heard everything.
tell me a scenario where it is useful
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On September 17 2012 15:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 15:25 Craton wrote:
HP10 useless in every lane. LOL.
Now I've heard everything. tell me a scenario where it is useful
pre-gp10 nerf, philostone stacking poppy.+ Show Spoiler + I say this half jokingly, and out of spite.
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On September 17 2012 15:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so basically there are definitely builds, playstyles, etc that are optimal at low elo but not at high elo and vice versa. But then if you are actually thoughtful enough to realize what is optimal you probably aren't low elo.
This is definitely true, there's tons of ideas that can and will work in the right conditions, but the parameters are sometimes very specific. That's what's so great about exploring and finding new builds. It's one of the joys I have with the game to find out
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On September 17 2012 15:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Health regen as a stat is pretty much completely useless for any role in any lane. The only time it has an effect is if you're taking harass damage that you can't trade back vs, but then after a while the person whos shitting on you will just ult and kill you. Normal trades in any lane should leave both team's laners chunked, then pretty much before you can trade again the jungler will smell blood and initiate something that will leave a bunch of people dead.
But then again I think TL underrates GP10s in general as an income generator. Also, GP10s may be better at lower elo where trades happen more often and junglers are too stupid to capitalize on anything. I remember laners at lower elo to be very aggressive and confrontational when they did not have the strength to back it up. Whatever you do just remember to follow your heart, don't become sheep, and chauster #1.
What's the top 3 important things you have learned from bugging Chauster on stream? (Not his AMA which I also read)
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On September 17 2012 15:22 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 15:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Health regen as a stat is pretty much completely useless for any role in any lane. The only time it has an effect is if you're taking harass damage that you can't trade back vs, but then after a while the person whos shitting on you will just ult and kill you. Normal trades in any lane should leave both team's laners chunked, then pretty much before you can trade again the jungler will smell blood and initiate something that will leave a bunch of people dead.
But then again I think TL underrates GP10s in general as an income generator. Also, GP10s may be better at lower elo where trades happen more often and junglers are too stupid to capitalize on anything. I remember laners at lower elo to be very aggressive and confrontational when they did not have the strength to back it up. Whatever you do just remember to follow your heart, don't become sheep, and chauster #1. Yay, let's have the GP10 discussion again!!! Wait, no, let's not go there...
No, I think we should talk about flat ad marks vs ArPen...
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On September 17 2012 15:45 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 15:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Health regen as a stat is pretty much completely useless for any role in any lane. The only time it has an effect is if you're taking harass damage that you can't trade back vs, but then after a while the person whos shitting on you will just ult and kill you. Normal trades in any lane should leave both team's laners chunked, then pretty much before you can trade again the jungler will smell blood and initiate something that will leave a bunch of people dead.
But then again I think TL underrates GP10s in general as an income generator. Also, GP10s may be better at lower elo where trades happen more often and junglers are too stupid to capitalize on anything. I remember laners at lower elo to be very aggressive and confrontational when they did not have the strength to back it up. Whatever you do just remember to follow your heart, don't become sheep, and chauster #1. What's the top 3 important things you have learned from bugging Chauster on stream? (Not his AMA which I also read)
i havent really asked him anything, the last thing i asked was if dshields are good on kill lane supports and he said technically yes but you need gold income as support, which is pretty much what i thought.
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Syndra so hard to use . X_x and she has like a 25% wr right now. lol
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On September 17 2012 16:02 Kouda wrote:
Syndra so hard to use . X_x and she has like a 25% wr right now. lol
sometimes, a champion just sucks, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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On September 17 2012 16:04 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 16:02 Kouda wrote:
Syndra so hard to use . X_x and she has like a 25% wr right now. lol sometimes, a champion just sucks, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I just think her range / Q costs are a bit terrible. Athene's + DFG and I still run out of mana easily. Her ultimate is glorious though with like 6-7 balls.
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On September 17 2012 15:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 15:25 Craton wrote:
HP10 useless in every lane. LOL.
Now I've heard everything. tell me a scenario where it is useful
Kassadin vs practically anything,reference scarra,I seen him run it on gragass as well.
Bunch of top lanes,for instance Irelia,either hp/10 or flat health,reference wickd,it's actually how people fixed her after the nerfs to her W.
From what I've seen a lot of people completely abandoned armor quints for either hp/regen,AD or flat health.
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Are there any streamers who are learning syndra?
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I think Syndra might just be a champion that you'd build a RoA on for a mana pool rather than relying purely on regen. Having released like 5 mids with essentially zero mana costs, people forget that building a mana pool can be useful as well, especially when no form of regen can sustain the amount of mana you use.
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On September 17 2012 16:10 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 15:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 17 2012 15:25 Craton wrote:
HP10 useless in every lane. LOL.
Now I've heard everything. tell me a scenario where it is useful Kassadin vs practically anything,reference scarra,I seen him run it on gragass as well. Bunch of top lanes,for instance Irelia,either hp/10 or flat health,reference wickd,it's actually how people fixed her after the nerfs to her W. A lot of people completely abandoned Armor quints for either hp/regen,AD or flat health.
Flat HP quints are back in style? Well I never...
Aside from that, I've been using hp/10 quints for laning top for quite a while. It really meshes well with my general playstyle. IE farmfest 
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On September 17 2012 16:02 Kouda wrote:
Syndra so hard to use . X_x and she has like a 25% wr right now. lol
Look on the bright side. Riot could have given her an ultimate with 450 range, that locked her in place for 2.5 seconds, and could be countered by Cleanse. It's happened before.
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