I think the group stage will be most likely not really exciting group a will be most likely acer/curse in which order group b clg/m5 (x6tence might do an upset). But unless those teams screw up hard/clg might be jetlagged I dont see it change
Lol that SK Crs fight in the mid, irelia and ahri dive oce's gragas, take him down then get chased 4v2 down, meanwhile malunoo camping bot lane brush with their bot lane, but SK bot lane wasn't even in that side of the map >_> propa communication
SK playing a terrible nunu, which is good because a well played nunu would crush the format right now. You can tell this because he's falling behind farm from cow (and this shouldn't happen even with his base q doing only 400). He was also afraid of invading red. He's also building wrong. He lost his oracles because he didn't have the right movement speed from runes/masteries.
On July 28 2012 19:52 SnK-Arcbound wrote: SK playing a terrible nunu, which is good because a well played nunu would crush the format right now. You can tell this because he's falling behind farm from cow (and this shouldn't happen even with his base q doing only 400). He was also afraid of invading red. He's also building wrong. He lost his oracles because he didn't have the right movement speed from runes/masteries.
Its Araneae, he is only in there because hes Spanish. In contrast Malunoo is one of the best junglers in the game.
But this was surprisingly close this far. Extinkt was not doing very good. But luckily for Curse the typical SK throw came into play.
edit: And now curse overextends lol. Quite the sloppy game.
SK vs. Curse... yellowstar was SK's best player, imo he played really well while Araneae on nunu felt kind of useless, nunu ganks are very meh and he barely counterjungled so why pick nunu? end game teamfights nunu did nothing but slow one person and using ult will make him a sitting duck. SK ended up doing more mistakes than Curse even though some questionable plays from extinkt on Ahri brought SK in the lead a couple of times. All in all an exciting game because it wasn't the usual snowball, very back and forth.
interesting my prediction seems to be wrong sk will most likely win this game acer seems to be not that comfortable playing offline/sk plays surprisingly well offline
On July 28 2012 22:30 Ente wrote: interesting my prediction seems to be wrong sk will most likely win this game acer seems to be not that comfortable playing offline/sk plays surprisingly well offline
SK+Yellowstar(Not sure about Ara) have tons of offline experience while I believe this is Acers first lan? and Nyph and Kevin always play solidly imo, while Ocelote seems to play WAY better offline and Yellowstar as I mentioned before is a beast, he played so well... MVP for their team.
Yeah SK was surprsingly good. They already did well against Curse and now even better against Acer.
Still the teams in group B will be happy if they make the first place and get to play against SK.
On July 28 2012 21:43 Slusher wrote: The way mouz is playing compared to sk right now must feel good for candy and dedryon
I bet CandyPanda is extremely envious of SK going to IEM while he is not. I still remember how spiteful that guy was towards CLG.eu when they missed out on IEM because of their sponsor change.
Aranae used to be in sk a long time ago so he has quite some experience. Most of Acers team played at DH but yes their experience isnt that great. About sk I played vs them at 4pl last week and there they didnt play well at all and we won it quite easily but that seemed to be just a bad day for most of them.
DiamondShy reverts to his old ways, tries to steal EH's red. But EH has learned the special tactics of M5 and 3 man converges. Shy has to ulti into Baron cove to get away.
Riot continues to improve Spec mode little by little. Baron and Dragon timers are incorporated at the top of the bar now for the audience and casters' benefit.
On July 29 2012 01:14 daemir wrote: Is that Riot's thing, or is it just an overlay? I'm 100% sure that dragon timer wasn't updating in a match earlier.
ok tbh, it could just be an overlay. ;_; Looks nice though! Should be tourney standard.
On July 29 2012 01:09 NeoIllusions wrote: Riot continues to improve Spec mode little by little. Baron and Dragon timers are incorporated at the top of the bar now for the audience and casters' benefit.
I think that's being manually updated, but yeah, a very nice innovation
GosuPepper has straight up stolen 36 cs now. Is that planned or is he just a dick?
I get the feeling Nhat is the only support on Earth who enjoys his role. Xpecial, Krepo, Pepper, Elementz, Chauster... all of them wish they played a carry role, usually mid.
@TheLink: I'm a believer that Supports should get anywhere from 25-50 CS for the duration of the game. This isn't including opportunities where the support can go into a pushed lane and get farm unassisted. Giving your support 10-20 CS in the first 15 minutes means faster GP10 items and obviously more wards.
On July 29 2012 01:27 BlueSpace wrote: EloHell had a good fight and then they didn't chase and didn't take baron... come back 2 minutes later and fight in the baron pit... why?
I actually think that EloHell did quite well in the teamfights, despite the gold difference. They could have also turned it around with a better follow through.
On July 29 2012 01:39 BlueSpace wrote: I actually think that EloHell did quite well in the teamfights, despite the gold difference. They could have also turned it around with a better follow through.
this when i saw 4 GA i thought game is over but the tf was quite close
I disagree with Zenons statement about M5 not knowing which strats CLG have added in Korea. There really is not that much new, and its pretty much common knowledge what champions CLG like to play.
On July 29 2012 02:02 Redox wrote: I disagree with Zenons statement about M5 not knowing which strats CLG have added in Korea. There really is not that much new, and its pretty much common knowledge what champions CLG like to play.
I think it's somewhere in between those two statements.
It surprises me fairly often at how little teams do to scout out their competition, especially in an offline tournament. Granted, that's not to say that M5 didn't watch how CLG.eu won their OGN games.
Casters missed a nice smite from snoopeh keeping his blue, wasted a lot of time for M5.
I don't think switching top and bot works well vs CLG.EU's comp. Rumble is at least as safe as GP farming 1v2, and ezreal/alistar have a lot more kill potential
On July 29 2012 02:14 Pinith wrote: Casters missed a nice smite from snoopeh keeping his blue, wasted a lot of time for M5
Missed smite, but got first blood. Both exciting, but first blood worth more. That is people value showing kills more than showing a buff steal. You did see that whoever is doing that spectating work did go back and show that malphite had the blue.
Malphite standing in a brush not doing anything for seconds that seem eternal. Suddenly: FIRST BLOOD! Confused casters scroll to the bottom lane. Gangplank lies in his own blood underneath his tower. The support claims that Ezreal did the bloody deed, but unfortunately there are no witnesses to this dire crime...
A minute later, on midlane: Malphite emerges from the underwoods again, blessed by the Ancient Golems. Astonished how he managed to wrestle this blessing from three opposing champions, people went to ask him. Unfortunately, a stone cannot talk. Tonight, no one will sing the song of how Malphite outwitted his enemies.
On July 29 2012 02:02 Redox wrote: I disagree with Zenons statement about M5 not knowing which strats CLG have added in Korea. There really is not that much new, and its pretty much common knowledge what champions CLG like to play.
I think it's somewhere in between those two statements.
It surprises me fairly often at how little teams do to scout out their competition, especially in an offline tournament. Granted, that's not to say that M5 didn't watch how CLG.eu won their OGN games.
It is actually quite interesting when in post-game interviews teams choose to reveal what kind of preparation they put in. Most teams tend to prepare much more against other teams from the same region (aka NA v NA, EU v EU) but it starts to drop off rapidly beyond that. Part of this is probably due to the fact you can't check someone's match history on a different Server Region. But it's also harder to watch someone else's stream if they don't stream in your timezone.
The most egregious example of a team completely overlooking another team's practise in my opinion has still got to be the first round if IPL4. aAa played against CLG and let CLG take Shen first pick and lost as a result of that. Post-game interview they revealed that they spent all their preparation time on NA teams exclusively on CLG and thought they would be extremely prepared. From watching past CLG games, they thought they could handle HSGG Shen in lane, and then in his splitpush. However, they neglected to realise that in between IEM and IPL4 that HSGG had made major revisions to his Shen build which meant none of their counters worked. They also didn't watch his stream so they didn't see his new build in action. So they lost really badly.
I love those coordinated attacks from M5. You know, attacking on all three lanes at the same time to completely fuck up enemy communication and coordination.
M5 is showing really great play here. They know exactly what targets they want to be killing, and the moment their target disengages they switch correctly to the next guy on the hit list. Karthus also got zoned rather hard by the Nunu ult too. And with all the diving on CLG, in order to peel everything off Ezrael it meant that Koggles got free dps. CLG with the bad positioning only made it worse for them.
On July 29 2012 02:32 Celial wrote: The British dude slurs his words as if hes drunk as fuck. The German (?) guy knows jack shit about the game. WHY ESL, WHY!
Both have been casting for quite a while. The British guy is Joe Miller, who's a former professional caster from Quake and Counterstrike. The German is Zenon, a Riot Employee (German Community Manager) and casts for ESL Germany in German.
I think the biggest problem for casters currently is that they can't focus on learning recent trends in the game and casting full time. Nearly every single caster for LoL atm has to hold down a full time job and casts on the side.
On July 29 2012 02:33 daemir wrote: Darien was raped hard early game, has now more gold than wickd...
It's because clg.eu took down that bottom tower really early, so they could roam, but it allowed darien to farm bot without pressure. Also, cannot forget dragons, of which they have taken all of them. Now, they've gotten baron. Finally, pirate ult assists so strong.
I had no idea why Krepo Shurelya'd and chase after a Kog by himself but he wanted to Headbutt/Pulv Kog to low enough where Froggen could Req for the kill.
On July 29 2012 02:37 SnK-Arcbound wrote: M5 have terrible judgement when they aren't ahead. Also M5 have almost no hard cc for team fights.
I think their judgement stays the same, but once they are behind, the other team can punish them for their aggressive playstyle and it makes them look bad.
Karthus going for Void Staff over Zhonyas. Hm. Still amazed how well M5 are doing trying to keep the gold difference as small as possible.
Re CC issue: CLG have the advantage by having Alistar from the get-go. It's why Ali is top ban material. TSM always keeps him banned, and CLG Ali gets a lot of respect ban in Korea. With Ali+someone else you can AoE CC-lock down a long time.
This is starting to be a repeat of Dreamhack. CLG take bot inhib, let minions push in, bait baron. Force the fight and take Baron.
On July 29 2012 02:43 TheLink wrote: Why does m5 have so many chain vests and stacking armour vs a quad AP team and a stupidly fed Froggen?
Froggen has a Void Staff already. Getting MR won't help much any more.
Really great play by CLG forcing M5 to split hard at Baron. Wickd suicided himself onto Koggles to force him to keep running. That let the rest of CLG get the dps on. M5 also failed to burst Ezrael only taking him to 10% before E'ing out and let him proceed to keep right-clicking for the rest of the fight too.
Okay so that was good play overall from CLG, but really, Froggen is really doing so much for them. I wonder how CLG would do with another AP of good skill, but not froggen level :D
RiotJaws: Krepo, when you guys start out the match did you think you'd face the TP Gangplank when you were picking your bot lane? Krepo: We remember M5 running this strat half a year ago and then take a buff lvl 1. So that's why we warded. We also predicted the counterjungle. He tp-ed when I was lvl 2 right on top of me where I could Pulverise him and that let us get firstblood and snowball and win the early game. (Chiharu Note: M5 GP TP was first shown against TSM in the finals of IEM Kiev) RiotJaws: You mentioned first blood being a turning point. But it always seemed like a close match. What was the big turning moment in your opinion? Krepo: It was the late game. We had a good teamfight combo and they have a Koggles with no escape. The later the game goes, the better it gets. Malphite can just go in and shut him down. We just need to get our carries like Ezrael fed, freeze bot lane, and win. RiotJaws: Good luck for the rest of the tournament.
Rumble should have been banned from the tournament. In his current state, he is ridiculously broken.
450 damage. 135% AP ratio. Or, in Danger Zone, 585 damage. 175% AP ratio. With a 6 second cooldown.
You can't argue any form of balance for Rumble, at the moment. Morello has admitted how much they screwed up and he is being patched as such. Just a shame we have to see him ruin this tournament.
On July 29 2012 02:51 Ziken wrote: Okay so that was good play overall from CLG, but really, Froggen is really doing so much for them. I wonder how CLG would do with another AP of good skill, but not froggen level :D
Edit: also lol Krepo
Meh Froggen was not sticking out at all in the 3 games they won in Korea. Imo they would still do good with a different mid that can adapt to their general play style. The biggest strength of CLG is team cohesion / communication / team fights. But yeah Froggen is insanely good of course, probably the best mid there is.
On July 29 2012 02:57 Sicariidae wrote: Rumble should have been banned from the tournament. In his current state, he is ridiculously broken.
450 damage. 135% AP ratio. Or, in Danger Zone, 585 damage. 175% AP ratio. With a 6 second cooldown.
You can't argue any form of balance for Rumble, at the moment. Morello has admitted how much they screwed up and he is being patched as such. Just a shame we have to see him ruin this tournament.
Originally Rumble Q applied damage in inconsistent time intervals. So even if your flamethrower was over someone, it wasn't necessarily doing damage. So to compensate for that, the base damage had to be increased.
Now, his Q applies damage continuously and the AoE correctly corresponds to the fire animation. However, he still has his original damage numbers. So that's going to be changed next patch.
On July 29 2012 03:02 daemir wrote: Those clips where they show the art being made always floors my jaw at how people are so artistically skilled.
Agreed! It takes me forever to make any images for TL. ^^;
I think m5 should make diamond and gosu play jungler/support champs who actually have some reliable kind of CC. Picking kog early, and not even responding to the alistar+malphite with something like nautilus, leona or even janna is just asking for a loss.
On July 29 2012 02:51 Ziken wrote: Okay so that was good play overall from CLG, but really, Froggen is really doing so much for them. I wonder how CLG would do with another AP of good skill, but not froggen level :D
Edit: also lol Krepo
Meh Froggen was not sticking out at all in the 3 games they won in Korea. Imo they would still do good with a different mid that can adapt to their general play style. The biggest strength of CLG is team cohesion / communication / team fights. But yeah Froggen is insanely good of course, probably the best mid there is.
I think a good example for that was when Krepo chased Kog so that he could headbutt/pulverize into Karthus R. Froggen is godly, but the team really helps him shine.
On July 29 2012 02:51 Ziken wrote: Okay so that was good play overall from CLG, but really, Froggen is really doing so much for them. I wonder how CLG would do with another AP of good skill, but not froggen level :D
Edit: also lol Krepo
Meh Froggen was not sticking out at all in the 3 games they won in Korea. Imo they would still do good with a different mid that can adapt to their general play style. The biggest strength of CLG is team cohesion / communication / team fights. But yeah Froggen is insanely good of course, probably the best mid there is.
In OGN, CLGNA built their entire teamcomp around trying to shut down froggen, LGIM picked ahri to try and deal with froggen's karthus and neither was able to shut him down completely. As the game dragged on, froggen's ability to farm carried him back into the game and he still did absurd damage. In literally any game where froggen doesn't get shut down in the first 15 minutes, he'll get enough farm and kills to win lane, carry game.
The thing is all lanes are very late game oriented. Froggen plays Morgana, Karthus, Anivia, Orianna and Ahri mainly. Ahri is the only one of those 3 that falls of a little lategame. What CLG all do is play passive and then center around clutch Krepo/Yellowpete play and good strategical movement. Bot is always super safe compared to most other teams and Snoppeh rarely ganks early. Their team is centered almost always around Froggen which makes him look amazing. M5 for example often center their team comp around Genja or Darien.
People look to much at KDA and CS. They focus froggen because he plays the champs that can be pressured while bot and top usually play safer picks that are harder to focus ganking on and Froggen is the center of their lategame play.
Alex ich is just as good as froggen but his rooster is more team oriented than Froggens carry oriented one (also diamonprox get more jungle than snoopeh). This is also seen in the difference in playstyle and plays m5 vs Clg do.
Froggen is really good but he is not miles ahead of other big star EU mids.
Froggen plays Morgana, Karthus, Anivia, Orianna and Ahri mainly. Ahri is the only one of those 3 that falls of a little lategame
This is not correct Morgana falls of way harder then ahri and lategame shes mainly usefull for her blackshield (she is still stronger then some other aps like sion) ahri has always the potential to oneshot ppl with little to no risk
Froggen is really good but he is not miles ahead of other big star EU mids.
I agree 100% not to take anything away from froggen he is obviously insanly good and one of the best aps in the world but you have several other top aps in Europe: Moopz Alexich Moma xPeke and others there are so many insanly good aps in europe
I would personally say that its not really true, that while she isn't as strong as the rest she get really good in protect the carry comps. She is situationally scales well vs anti carry comps.
Which when I think about is slightly worse than Ahri.
I don't think linking to the twitch site stream is particularly encouraged. Clicked that and the chat is so incredibly toxic and intelligence draining. Best to watch it embedded somewhere without the chat.
Hmm, that is the official Twitch channel so it would be unfair to ESL if we give their traffic to another site. I guess I could rearrange the links a bit to emphasize Riot's portal, which has an embedded stream.
Now here I thought that "top eu" teams are close to M5 and clg.eu but M5 absolutely destroying curse.eu lol and I expect nothing less from the sk vs clg.eu match.
On July 29 2012 18:31 JBright wrote: Hmm, that is the official Twitch channel so it would be unfair to ESL if we give their traffic to another site. I guess I could rearrange the links a bit to emphasize Riot's portal, which has an embedded stream.
I think they dont care if we watch on the twitch.tv site or one embedded on clg.net or whatvever. Only thing they might prefer would be people watching the one embedded on the esl site. I only watch embedded streams because the twitch chat makes everything lag for me.
Btw, is there really a working stream on the Riot site? Because for me that one does not work.
The stream on the Riot stream has (or it had earlier, not checked) the wrong stream, they've switched over to esltv's twitch stream.
As for the chat, just click the cog under the chat channel and click the middle option - 'Ukryj chat' to close it, don't know if it'll help out with lag, but it'll hide the idiocy at least.
M5 just stomped Curse EU, Curse played horribly. No map control at all, they just gave M5 every dragon, never bothered to ward it or even try and contest. I hope someone catches out Gosu P's Sona and just crushes his aggressive playstyle because I find Sona one of the squishiest supports ever. Still, looks like a CLG EU vs M5 finals again unless SK find a miracle.
On July 29 2012 19:01 Venien wrote: The stream on the Riot stream has (or it had earlier, not checked) the wrong stream, they've switched over to esltv's twitch stream.
As for the chat, just click the cog under the chat channel and click the middle option - 'Ukryj chat' to close it, don't know if it'll help out with lag, but it'll hide the idiocy at least.
M5 just stomped Curse EU, Curse played horribly. No map control at all, they just gave M5 every dragon, never bothered to ward it or even try and contest. I hope someone catches out Gosu P's Sona and just crushes his aggressive playstyle because I find Sona one of the squishiest supports ever. Still, looks like a CLG EU vs M5 finals again unless SK find a miracle.
He doesn't engage with her, so I don't see how to easily catch her. He hoovers around the edges of the fight and throws the ult halfway through it, consistently catching 3-4 people with it. I think the enemy team needs to position better and stay aware of the fact, that if they clump up, Sona will ult them.
Sona isn't really squishy, as long as you don't die before you get your first ruby crystal (good sonas usually get it before philo) then she's decently tanky and the more fed she gets the more tank items you get.
On July 29 2012 19:01 Venien wrote: The stream on the Riot stream has (or it had earlier, not checked) the wrong stream, they've switched over to esltv's twitch stream.
As for the chat, just click the cog under the chat channel and click the middle option - 'Ukryj chat' to close it, don't know if it'll help out with lag, but it'll hide the idiocy at least.
M5 just stomped Curse EU, Curse played horribly. No map control at all, they just gave M5 every dragon, never bothered to ward it or even try and contest. I hope someone catches out Gosu P's Sona and just crushes his aggressive playstyle because I find Sona one of the squishiest supports ever. Still, looks like a CLG EU vs M5 finals again unless SK find a miracle.
He doesn't engage with her, so I don't see how to easily catch her. He hoovers around the edges of the fight and throws the ult halfway through it, consistently catching 3-4 people with it. I think the enemy team needs to position better and stay aware of the fact, that if they clump up, Sona will ult them.
The thing about sona is that if she's got the same range with her skills as AD carries and generally stays as far out as them. All her auras are 1k range so they're buffing her team regardless of where she is in a teamfight. The tournament is being played on the Jayce patch where she has her Q mana costs reduced but still has a 2 second GCD.
Good answer by Wickd though, froggen will carry clg.eu indeed, no worries about whatever happens to wickd.
Edit:: ban predictions
anivia, karthus, urgot, maybe a rumble ban as well.
On July 29 2012 19:01 Venien wrote: The stream on the Riot stream has (or it had earlier, not checked) the wrong stream, they've switched over to esltv's twitch stream.
As for the chat, just click the cog under the chat channel and click the middle option - 'Ukryj chat' to close it, don't know if it'll help out with lag, but it'll hide the idiocy at least.
M5 just stomped Curse EU, Curse played horribly. No map control at all, they just gave M5 every dragon, never bothered to ward it or even try and contest. I hope someone catches out Gosu P's Sona and just crushes his aggressive playstyle because I find Sona one of the squishiest supports ever. Still, looks like a CLG EU vs M5 finals again unless SK find a miracle.
He doesn't engage with her, so I don't see how to easily catch her. He hoovers around the edges of the fight and throws the ult halfway through it, consistently catching 3-4 people with it. I think the enemy team needs to position better and stay aware of the fact, that if they clump up, Sona will ult them.
The thing about sona is that if she's got the same range with her skills as AD carries and generally stays as far out as them. All her auras are 1k range so they're buffing her team regardless of where she is in a teamfight. The tournament is being played on the Jayce patch where she has her Q mana costs reduced but still has a 2 second GCD.
Good answer by Wickd though, froggen will carry clg.eu indeed, no worries about whatever happens to wickd.
Edit:: ban predictions
anivia, karthus, urgot, maybe a rumble ban as well.
Called karthus/urgot and guessed at the rumble ban. Not banning anivia is always a risky proposition against froggen but I guess they feel they can deal with it. Two bans from CLG are targeted at the anti-anivia champs though so I'm not sure what'll happen.
I think I'm going to fall asleep at my desk soon so it would be great if someone can put the bans/picks in the thread. I will update the OP when I get up.
CLG.EU basically gears towards lategame teamfights, focusing their picks on AoE / lategame.
snoopeh only plays maokai/alistar/nautlius/malphite (whoops 4 AoE / CC bots) froggen plays karthus/anivia/ahri/morgana/ori sometimes (again the pattern is great AoE/lategame) krepo plays leona and alistar a lot more than other supports, again the bias is on AoE, even for their support yellowpete has taken to playing a lot of corki ezreal and graves, all of which have great AoE wicked plays rumble malphite when they're not banned, and other random stuff when they are
their picks and bans are highly focused on grabbing malphite/rumble/alistar FP, in that order. the way their malphite/alistar overlap between their top/jungle/support is very useful to prevent counterpicking / allow for flexibility in their draft.
when ocelote plays bad, hes probably the worst competitive player in the scene, but when hes on his game, hes actualyl really damn scary edit: gg sk wp
I had never been impressed by SK's play in any other tournament, but that game was really fucking impressive. Very little room to toe the line but they managed to do it, losing only one team fight I think (barely).
I felt like Snoopeh tried to shut down kog while ignoring top lane and that early kill helped Jax a lot, it didn't exactly snowball for him but Jax accumulated kills across the game with nice dragon/baron control from SK made Jax a monster. Great binds from oce imo, morg is so good when pressuring the opposite team with scary team initiating binds on the right target.
Well played SK, ocelote played pretty damn well that game and snoopeh couldn't pull off key ganks with his alilstar. Losing doublebuff to morgana early really hurt snoopeh's jungling and froggen's ability to lane against morgana. Later on the main problem was SK had jax+morgana+kogmaw doing massive damage, malphite melting the bruisers on clg while clgeu had leona/alistar for heavy CC but only froggen/ezreal doing damage since Wickd got shut down pretty hard.
You write A.......nivia and dont know how good Froggen is with her?^^^Theres a reason the koreans banned her out against him, sk just think they can deal with her, but tbh they only won game 1 because their whole team Comp was better. lets go clg.eu
I think snoopeh losing that oracle early really hurt them btw, malphite was 6 and snoopeh still only 5 during that little botlane fight, and I think thats one of snoopehs only weaknesses, he's often really behind in farm. Or Scumbag Froggen just takes all hsi wraiths camps and botlane takes his golems lol.
Looks like ocelote can't do quite as well if he doesn't get doublebuff. Ahri also has to get closer to the ranged creeps than morgana to kill them which lets froggen do his awesome Q stun from behind the torch thingy out of vision. I learned that off of him and abuse it so much on morgana now since it's a pretty guaranteed kill if you can hit it.
Wickd is going to do way too much damage with the combination of wits+spark+passive. Froggen being oom really screwed them in that fight though, he didn't have much choice but to just auto and throw out a Q every 15 seconds >.>
I feel like CLG should have just let that Baron go to SK. They have the Anivia to turtle until the buff runs and all they did by trying to defend it with low health and 4 players is give up kills.
Damn. Pretty fucking awesome game, Froggen took a game to warm up but his anivia is absurdly good. You actually see froggen go legendary or close to it so much it's insane. Now SK has a choice. Ban anivia or not. That ultimate with the 20% AS slow wrecked irelia pretty hard when she came in.
SK's bot lane got behind in farm and Maokai was kind of useless, his ganks either didn't get kills or actually got his lanes killed. His initiation at the dragon fight was terrible.
Edit: I gotta say I'm impressed with Oce's reflexes, I've seen him flash a shen taunt and malphite ult.
Congrats CLG, I wanted a more exciting 3rd game but SK played terrible.
Awesome finals imo =) I was wondering, I havent really kept in touch with the NA teams, whats (roughly) the ranking there? TSM/Dignitas/CLG.NA the top teams?
On July 29 2012 22:20 BlueSpace wrote: SK can be proud. The series was much closer than most people would have expected, they put up a good fight.
I agree, they've only had Yellowstar and Ara for what 1 week? their teamwork was most likely behind CLG yet they did very well. Credit to CLG though, they lost game one and were under pressure but still made a great comeback.
SK Gaming for me! ^.^ BTW, anyone who is switching to LoL and planning to give up on SC2? If you don't mind, can you donate your account? Just PM me....
Hmm CLG EU wins a 2v2 fight mid and gets 2 kills then transitions to Dragon. A pause comes out as they do, not sure if whatever reason the pause occured is why CLG won that fight because M5 started that fight that they lost. M5 winning early, but if CLG takes this Dragon the game should even up.
Game resumes, Dragon is contested 3v5, fight is prelonged and CLG takes the Dragon but is dropped really low, everyone splits up and M5 takes down everyone of CLG including Snoopeh who had oracles only losing Diamondprox.
I'm not sure how M5 got all people to dragon when they just lost 2 in mid. Crazy fast recovery by M5. That pause kinda screwed CLG IMO. M5 playing great though.
Yes, they just turned around and talked to their coach/whoever that 6. guy is. None of them was touching/fixing his equipment... At least not in th15 seconds the camera showed them.at
On July 30 2012 02:43 Zergneedsfood wrote: Not sure what the pauses were, but after them, it just threw CLG off rhythm. Gotta learn not to let that stuff get to them.
The systematically attacked like the second after putting out the pause... For me it's not mannered at all.
On July 30 2012 02:43 Zergneedsfood wrote: Not sure what the pauses were, but after them, it just threw CLG off rhythm. Gotta learn not to let that stuff get to them.
The systematically attacked like the second after putting out the pause... For me it's not mannered at all.
....twice, this seemed odd the first time, the second, suspicious
And now it feels like CLGs many early failures to convert into kills has turned into a level and item inability to convert kills without huge mistakes. Oh dear.
On July 30 2012 03:42 AsnSensation wrote: Whaaaaat the fuck gragas ult alone took 1/2 hp off of malphite and nautilus the tankiest champs on clg.eu
noo lg ( is thos bo3 or bo5
The casters keep referring it to a bo3 by saying 2-0 win possibility. I'm really impressed by m5's adjustment from their last encounter with CLG.eu and the plays at breaking their turtle.
On July 30 2012 03:51 Baffels wrote: Really looking forward to gamescom now. M5 vs CLG rivalry really making uninteresting games entertaining.
what?^^ this series was not rly interesting I agree, but your sentence kinda contradicts itself, Im sure when clg.eu watches their games they'll figure something out and gamescom should have interesting matches with the final being a rematch between these 2 awesome teams.
they didnt play bad. m5 are just better offline. they always deliver. clg on the other hand is not that consistent. Krepo doesn't have the level imo and Wickd has his days... the only one who's always rock solid is froggen. I hope they'll prove me wrong tho, it was way too easy for m5 this time.
On July 30 2012 05:06 RouaF wrote: they didnt play bad. m5 are just better offline. they always deliver. clg on the other hand is not that consistent. Krepo doesn't have the level imo and Wickd has his days... the only one who's always rock solid is froggen. I hope they'll prove me wrong tho, it was way too easy for m5 this time.
CLG.eu beat M5 at the last LAN. Pretty convincingly. I fail to see how traveling from Korea to Poland can't be considered a bit taxing on your sleep schedule either. Not that I'm blaming that or anything. I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't play at their peak and M5 did. I also, personally, believe that M5's lanes are a lot more solid. Like the only player that CLGeu has that's better than his M5 counterpart is Froggen imo.
Genja definitely best AD carry outside of China/Korea doesn't hurt M5 either. And Diamond is too fucking clutch. I think that playing at 100% potential M5 will generally beat CLGeu but that was definitely not CLGeu's full potential imo.
Jet lag cannot be ignored. But no matter, CLG.eu knew it when they decided to leave Korea to play this tournament. It can explain in part why they lost, but it does not diminish M5 victory
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