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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 05 2012 08:04 GMT
#61
On June 05 2012 16:31 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 16:18 Parnage wrote:
I think he'll most likely be too strong, but only for people who can keep his axe catching going, which is harder then one would believe by his video.


I don't understand this line of logic though. If he gets played as a traditional AD carry he'll probably be shit. Because instead of auto-attacking you'll need to move around like a jackass and catch your axes. So late game when my AD carry is doing like 1.9 or 2.1 attacks per second and you're autoing, then taking a split second to move over an inch to catch your stupid axe, you're going to do a fuck ton less damage than my team's AD carry.

Maybe he'll get made into a bruiser. Or maybe him catching axes won't effect his dps output as badly as I'm thinking it will. But honestly the idea of having to move to random locations nearby to catch your axe for maximum dps sounds absolutely terrible from an AD carry perspective. Like, positioning is the single most important thing for an AD carry during team fights and this champion comes along with a mechanic that will fuck up his positioning if he wants to do maximum damage.

I dunno, his kit seems way better for a solo lane than a duo lane. His kit seems really weird and awkward for an AD carry imo.

edit:
He looks interesting and a bit unique. Props to Riot for that. I just don't see why I'd want to ever catch my axes in late game as Draven. If he isn't too reliant on axe catching he'll probably be ok.

well AD carries generally spend like 20-30% of their time in teamfights kiting shit anyways. it's not like they're just sitting there autoattacking. the draven axe mechanic just makes it so that your kiting path is more pre-determined.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 05 2012 08:07 GMT
#62
Draven's dps will probably suffer in the situations where he would have been able to stand still otherwise (before endgame, when your AS will be significantly higher, 185% damage every attack may compensate for the movements), but when chasing and kiting if you can time your movements well with where you want to go and when you attack it's only going to be bonus damage. I guess it's better for dynamics fights, and less for stand-offs.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 05 2012 08:09 GMT
#63
the one nice thing that i like about what i've seen about draven is that his ult, while insane in concept and delivery, doesn't appear to have insane numbers

in 0 cases of pre-patch vids or in the patch preview did i think "WOW HIS ULT IS RIDICULOUS"
which is a good thing because usually in those videos phreak has 1123098032 more gold than everyone else and is 1-shotting everyone, so assuming he was equally fed as he normally is, draven's ult doesn't look too OP
really cool concept, balanced-looking damage. i'm proud of you riot
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 05 2012 08:21 GMT
#64
What I like more I think is the effect when the axes stop and come back. Your opponents will probably be able to dodge them even if the first hit got in, but lore-wise I just imagine its targets all "Oh shit it's coming back!" and I think it's awesome. In the actual game, I love the effect with the blades ploughing the ground and leaving furrows.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 05 2012 08:24 GMT
#65
On June 05 2012 17:09 gtrsrs wrote:
the one nice thing that i like about what i've seen about draven is that his ult, while insane in concept and delivery, doesn't appear to have insane numbers

in 0 cases of pre-patch vids or in the patch preview did i think "WOW HIS ULT IS RIDICULOUS"
which is a good thing because usually in those videos phreak has 1123098032 more gold than everyone else and is 1-shotting everyone, so assuming he was equally fed as he normally is, draven's ult doesn't look too OP
really cool concept, balanced-looking damage. i'm proud of you riot

Phreak was playing the ashe iirc. and you could never see his score or anything, hell he could have had like 3 kills and 40 cs theres no telling
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 05 2012 08:28 GMT
#66
On June 05 2012 17:24 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 17:09 gtrsrs wrote:
the one nice thing that i like about what i've seen about draven is that his ult, while insane in concept and delivery, doesn't appear to have insane numbers

in 0 cases of pre-patch vids or in the patch preview did i think "WOW HIS ULT IS RIDICULOUS"
which is a good thing because usually in those videos phreak has 1123098032 more gold than everyone else and is 1-shotting everyone, so assuming he was equally fed as he normally is, draven's ult doesn't look too OP
really cool concept, balanced-looking damage. i'm proud of you riot

Phreak was playing the ashe iirc. and you could never see his score or anything, hell he could have had like 3 kills and 40 cs theres no telling


disagree, his other skills were doing a ton of damage, his ult seemed to not do so much
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 05 2012 08:30 GMT
#67
On June 05 2012 17:28 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 17:24 arb wrote:
On June 05 2012 17:09 gtrsrs wrote:
the one nice thing that i like about what i've seen about draven is that his ult, while insane in concept and delivery, doesn't appear to have insane numbers

in 0 cases of pre-patch vids or in the patch preview did i think "WOW HIS ULT IS RIDICULOUS"
which is a good thing because usually in those videos phreak has 1123098032 more gold than everyone else and is 1-shotting everyone, so assuming he was equally fed as he normally is, draven's ult doesn't look too OP
really cool concept, balanced-looking damage. i'm proud of you riot

Phreak was playing the ashe iirc. and you could never see his score or anything, hell he could have had like 3 kills and 40 cs theres no telling


disagree, his other skills were doing tons of damage, his ult seemed to not do so much


FYP.

Also I like how they made it so no one can see how fat the champ is anymore. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 08:33:44
June 05 2012 08:33 GMT
#68
Draven's Whirling Death:
Physical Damage : 175 / 275 / 375 (+1.1 per bonus attack damage)

Maximum Physical Damage (single target): 350 / 550 / 750 (+2.2 per bonus attack damage)

Minimum Physical Damage (one hit): 70 / 110 / 150 (+0.44 per bonus attack damage)


Sivir's Boomerang Blade:
Physical Damage: 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 (+1.1 per bonus attack damage) (+0.5 per ability power)

Maximum Physical Damage (Single target) : 108 / 189 / 270 / 351 / 432 (+1.98 per bonus attack damage) (+0.9 per ability power)

Minimum Physical Damage (one hit): 24 / 42 / 60 / 78 / 96 (+0.44 per bonus attack damage) (+0.2 per ability power)


It's not that out of place (especially if you consider lv.1 ult to lv.3 Q, and lv.2 ult to lv.5 Q), the reduced damage reset on back is what makes the most of the damage. It'll be massive if you can hit twice without minions in the way tho, way better-looking than his brother's ult during the clean-up phase for that "Where are you going?" factor.

What do you mean by "how fat", evo?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
June 05 2012 08:38 GMT
#69
Anivia is so stupid. I just built ROA--> Sheen--> Stinger--> LichBane--> Sunfire--> Nashor's--> FON. I went positive and 1v1ed the enemy team's Darius late game in a straight up fight with no kiting.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 08:41:40
June 05 2012 08:39 GMT
#70
You can't see KDA or even items anymore, so no one can figure out whether shit actually DOES do a shitload of damage or if he's just fat. =P

Edit, moar TL@riot: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14946130
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 08:50:31
June 05 2012 08:48 GMT
#71
On June 05 2012 17:04 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 16:31 overt wrote:
On June 05 2012 16:18 Parnage wrote:
I think he'll most likely be too strong, but only for people who can keep his axe catching going, which is harder then one would believe by his video.


I don't understand this line of logic though. If he gets played as a traditional AD carry he'll probably be shit. Because instead of auto-attacking you'll need to move around like a jackass and catch your axes. So late game when my AD carry is doing like 1.9 or 2.1 attacks per second and you're autoing, then taking a split second to move over an inch to catch your stupid axe, you're going to do a fuck ton less damage than my team's AD carry.

Maybe he'll get made into a bruiser. Or maybe him catching axes won't effect his dps output as badly as I'm thinking it will. But honestly the idea of having to move to random locations nearby to catch your axe for maximum dps sounds absolutely terrible from an AD carry perspective. Like, positioning is the single most important thing for an AD carry during team fights and this champion comes along with a mechanic that will fuck up his positioning if he wants to do maximum damage.

I dunno, his kit seems way better for a solo lane than a duo lane. His kit seems really weird and awkward for an AD carry imo.

edit:
He looks interesting and a bit unique. Props to Riot for that. I just don't see why I'd want to ever catch my axes in late game as Draven. If he isn't too reliant on axe catching he'll probably be ok.

well AD carries generally spend like 20-30% of their time in teamfights kiting shit anyways. it's not like they're just sitting there autoattacking. the draven axe mechanic just makes it so that your kiting path is more pre-determined.

That brings up an interesting point. A good portion of kiting is juking and what not. Kiting with Draven will basically put a big marker saying "I'm probably going to run here!". Swain's Nevermove will love Draven.
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 05 2012 09:00 GMT
#72
On June 05 2012 17:48 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 17:04 Ryuu314 wrote:
On June 05 2012 16:31 overt wrote:
On June 05 2012 16:18 Parnage wrote:
I think he'll most likely be too strong, but only for people who can keep his axe catching going, which is harder then one would believe by his video.


I don't understand this line of logic though. If he gets played as a traditional AD carry he'll probably be shit. Because instead of auto-attacking you'll need to move around like a jackass and catch your axes. So late game when my AD carry is doing like 1.9 or 2.1 attacks per second and you're autoing, then taking a split second to move over an inch to catch your stupid axe, you're going to do a fuck ton less damage than my team's AD carry.

Maybe he'll get made into a bruiser. Or maybe him catching axes won't effect his dps output as badly as I'm thinking it will. But honestly the idea of having to move to random locations nearby to catch your axe for maximum dps sounds absolutely terrible from an AD carry perspective. Like, positioning is the single most important thing for an AD carry during team fights and this champion comes along with a mechanic that will fuck up his positioning if he wants to do maximum damage.

I dunno, his kit seems way better for a solo lane than a duo lane. His kit seems really weird and awkward for an AD carry imo.

edit:
He looks interesting and a bit unique. Props to Riot for that. I just don't see why I'd want to ever catch my axes in late game as Draven. If he isn't too reliant on axe catching he'll probably be ok.

well AD carries generally spend like 20-30% of their time in teamfights kiting shit anyways. it's not like they're just sitting there autoattacking. the draven axe mechanic just makes it so that your kiting path is more pre-determined.

That brings up an interesting point. A good portion of kiting is juking and what not. Kiting with Draven will basically put a big marker saying "I'm probably going to run here!". Swain's Nevermove will love Draven.

Cho gath's Q will love draven as well.
liftlift > tsm
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 05 2012 09:44 GMT
#73
On June 05 2012 17:48 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 17:04 Ryuu314 wrote:
On June 05 2012 16:31 overt wrote:
On June 05 2012 16:18 Parnage wrote:
I think he'll most likely be too strong, but only for people who can keep his axe catching going, which is harder then one would believe by his video.


I don't understand this line of logic though. If he gets played as a traditional AD carry he'll probably be shit. Because instead of auto-attacking you'll need to move around like a jackass and catch your axes. So late game when my AD carry is doing like 1.9 or 2.1 attacks per second and you're autoing, then taking a split second to move over an inch to catch your stupid axe, you're going to do a fuck ton less damage than my team's AD carry.

Maybe he'll get made into a bruiser. Or maybe him catching axes won't effect his dps output as badly as I'm thinking it will. But honestly the idea of having to move to random locations nearby to catch your axe for maximum dps sounds absolutely terrible from an AD carry perspective. Like, positioning is the single most important thing for an AD carry during team fights and this champion comes along with a mechanic that will fuck up his positioning if he wants to do maximum damage.

I dunno, his kit seems way better for a solo lane than a duo lane. His kit seems really weird and awkward for an AD carry imo.

edit:
He looks interesting and a bit unique. Props to Riot for that. I just don't see why I'd want to ever catch my axes in late game as Draven. If he isn't too reliant on axe catching he'll probably be ok.

well AD carries generally spend like 20-30% of their time in teamfights kiting shit anyways. it's not like they're just sitting there autoattacking. the draven axe mechanic just makes it so that your kiting path is more pre-determined.

That brings up an interesting point. A good portion of kiting is juking and what not. Kiting with Draven will basically put a big marker saying "I'm probably going to run here!". Swain's Nevermove will love Draven.

Makes it a lot easier for him to juke though.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
June 05 2012 11:27 GMT
#74
185% damage with high uptime if you catch axes and a spammable MS/AS steroid makes me feel that he'll be a cross between sivir and vayne. He has a sivir ulti on a short cooldown and a massive damage steroid coupled directly to mechanics. It'll require extreme mechanics to deal maximum damage at level 18 with PD+AS steroid but mechanics -> domination seems rather reasonable to me. 550 range keeps him on par with other ADs, notably vayne so it'll be up to how strong he turns out to be in lane.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
June 05 2012 11:57 GMT
#75
Note to self, never, ever, ever play LoL in the morning. I'm gonna have an anerism from the amount of rage thats being produced in front of me. My god I thought it couldn't get worse than midnight ranked.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
June 05 2012 12:12 GMT
#76
http://clgaming.net/live/6986-mistakelolz

Didn't realize who it was til I clicked to see why it was at so many viewers. His mechanics are so good they're scary.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 12:54:59
June 05 2012 12:25 GMT
#77
Wow, I was curious regarding how he only had a single ward, and then they counter the invade, chase into the enemy jungle, drive them off their own blue... wtf.

The Vlad on the enemy team serving the game on a plate tho. "Oh there're Ryze and Taric on their side, nvm I won't go through our wraiths, I'll walk in the open in front of them to reach our tower" and similar stuff.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 05 2012 13:04 GMT
#78
Hmm, I am about 1k from Draven, gonna buy him and make an ATC episode with him, gonna release it monday
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 05 2012 13:07 GMT
#79
ATC?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 05 2012 13:44 GMT
#80
Man, juggling axes looks awesome. Too bad there's a limit of 2... I was envisioning some crazy antics. Still, looks quite fun. :>
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