Then there'd be less viable junglers, because some of those with no sustain really need smite for their first couple clears, would be a lot slower without it. Other than that, it seems interesting, but Flach/CV seems so prevalent that I can't really see most supports giving one or either up.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

June 03 2012 06:15 GMT

#1942

On June 03 2012 15:07 Kenpachi wrote:
what if jungle had 2 summoner spells not smite while the support carried smite

Then your support gets buffs any time you get counterjungled early. That and forces you to either have your AD get zoned early for free, or always take buff closest to you.

Craton

United States17275 Posts

June 03 2012 06:31 GMT

#1943

Makes your bot lane weaker, makes your jungler slower, makes your jungler more at risk to having buffs / big minions stolen, makes your objective contests weaker (your support being lower level = weaker smite).

All those negatives for...

(drumroll)

Marginally stronger ganks.

Zooper31

United States5711 Posts

June 03 2012 07:13 GMT

#1944

I think the question we should really be asking is, what if smite was a mastery skill instead and gave you a brand new button, enabling everyone to still have a choice of 2 summoners minus smite of course.

Craton

United States17275 Posts

June 03 2012 07:21 GMT

#1945

Then junglers would be really fucked because every game would be teams stealing everything and objectives would be massive stalemates because if you move slightly too far they have 5 smites to burst it down, but you can't contest either because you have 10 people competing to smite the last hit.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

June 03 2012 07:39 GMT

#1946

I agree with Craton. Smite is too strong not to be a choice to take, if everyone had it there'd be chaos. It'd be entertaining, but for tactical play and high level strategy, it'd be a nightmare.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

June 03 2012 08:18 GMT

#1947

5 smites with no drawbacks would be super retarded. At level 18 that's 4k+ true damage to any minion/monster. Baron standoffs would be even more gay than they are now since it'd basically become whichever team smites second wins.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

June 03 2012 08:36 GMT

#1948

i asked smash specifically in his thread because i didn't want him to miss it, but i want to ask the rest of TL LoL too, what are some surefire champs to pick against singed. 100% win-rate champs against singed that even if the jungler forces them back, as soon as the enemy jungler leaves they're back on singed nuts crushing him

eagle

United States693 Posts

June 03 2012 08:44 GMT

#1949

riven

valheru

Australia966 Posts

June 03 2012 08:56 GMT

#1950

On June 03 2012 17:36 gtrsrs wrote:
i asked smash specifically in his thread because i didn't want him to miss it, but i want to ask the rest of TL LoL too, what are some surefire champs to pick against singed. 100% win-rate champs against singed that even if the jungler forces them back, as soon as the enemy jungler leaves they're back on singed nuts crushing him

fairly sure nidalee fucks him over with no real repercussions not really going to get kills just win by massive amounts of cs. Free damage with AA's then hop away and heal and singed can't do much.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

June 03 2012 09:07 GMT

#1951

there are no champs that crush singed

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 03 2012 09:23 GMT

#1952

On June 03 2012 17:44 eagle wrote:
riven

I have to agree. Trashes Singed like there's no tomorrow and is super hard to gank.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

June 03 2012 09:31 GMT

#1953

vs high AD damage champions like GP/Riven/Trynd, singed can survive lane phase and then stack armor to the point no top can trade, catch or basically do anything to him, there's a reason invertedcomposer can blind pick singed every game and still be 2300.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

June 03 2012 09:47 GMT

#1954

There's really nothing that beats singed 100% of the time. He definitely has some tough matchups, notably against ranged champs like Kennen, Vlad, Kayle. GP deserves an honorable mention, as well. Against melee champs singed doesn't really have much of a problem since poison trail does mad dps early on and makes it really easy for him to trade with other laners. It's only ranged champs that truly give him a problem.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 03 2012 10:06 GMT

#1955

On June 03 2012 18:31 zulu_nation8 wrote:
vs high AD damage champions like GP/Riven/Trynd, singed can survive lane phase and then stack armor to the point no top can trade, catch or basically do anything to him, there's a reason invertedcomposer can blind pick singed every game and still be 2300.

The reason is that he mastered the champ and has a lot of experience in playing each matchup with him, while his opponents probably haven't seen a Singed in ages.

I mean, I'd really like to witness a Singed surviving 6 levels of relentless aggression from Riven. He basically can't farm before that, and I'm pretty sure Pantheon would tear him a new one, too. Maybe I just haven't seen a good Singed in action (very likely), but I have troubles imagining how he would not fall too far behind pre Tabi/Chain/Cata.

On June 03 2012 18:47 Ryuu314 wrote:
There's really nothing that beats singed 100% of the time. He definitely has some tough matchups, notably against ranged champs like Kennen, Vlad, Kayle. GP deserves an honorable mention, as well. Against melee champs singed doesn't really have much of a problem since poison trail does mad dps early on and makes it really easy for him to trade with other laners. It's only ranged champs that truly give him a problem.

Have you seen the DPS output of a Riven who started Doran's at level 2? And don't tell me Singed can just counter that by getting boots. Blindly picking boots against Riven is sheer suicide.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

June 03 2012 10:08 GMT

#1956

pick trynda, freefarm till 6, do the trynda thing.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

June 03 2012 10:52 GMT

#1957

On June 03 2012 19:06 Shiv. wrote:

Show nested quote +

The reason is that he mastered the champ and has a lot of experience in playing each matchup with him, while his opponents probably haven't seen a Singed in ages.

no thats not the reason

wussleeQ

United States3130 Posts

June 03 2012 10:52 GMT

#1958

i thought teemo countered him hard o.o

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 03 2012 10:59 GMT

#1959

On June 03 2012 19:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:

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no thats not the reason

OK so you said there's a reason a guy mainly playing Singed can blindpick him and be 2300. So either the champion is blatantly overpowered because nobody can touch him or invertedcomposer is just really really good with Singed. Am I missing anything?

1ntrigue

Australia948 Posts

June 03 2012 11:02 GMT

#1960

On the smite topic, I guess you could go Nunu jungle but that is a drawback already lol. Still, it opens up for the possibility of double combat summoners.