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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:09 sob3k wrote: This whole issue stems from their being a reason in the report menu called "Unskilled Player".....why the fuck is that even there? People don't actually get banned for that. It's more for people raging to feel better afterwards, imo. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:11 BlackMagister wrote: Eh I doubt you would get banned just for that. Tribunal brings up as many cases against a player as it can find. If you were only reported for that game and maybe 1 or 2 more both of which are grey cases you'll likely be pardoned. If you did get banned I doubt its for such a sketchy report. Also there is a tribunal thread somewhere. Let's say you play 20 games a day. In how many of your last 100 games do you think you played poorly? Okay, maybe you're an amazing player. In how many of his last 100 games do you think a 700 elo player did poorly? Probably like, 40 of them? Let's say he gets reported 40 times out of 100... banned, isn't he? | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
The number of active/inactive accounts vs people is completely irrelevant to the point. If you randomly selected 100 people on the internet and asked yourself, "should I revoke their rights to interact with with other human beings on the internet for 1-30 days?" What percentage of people would you actually stop from interacting with others? Is it 1.4%? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
waiting for moonbear to shed light.... | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:12 Shikyo wrote: Let's say you play 20 games a day. In how many of your last 100 games do you think you played poorly? Okay, maybe you're an amazing player. In how many of his last 100 games do you think a 700 elo player did poorly? Probably like, 40 of them? Let's say he gets reported 40 times out of 100... banned, isn't he? According to the Tribunal rules, no he should not be banned. From the official FAQ: Players who display poor performance, but do not appear to be intentionally feeding or otherwise disrupting gameplay. I'm not convinced that people saying you should be reported for feeding actually counts as evidence if all the other stats suggest you just had a bad game. I don't think Tribunal players are unfamiliar with how irate some players get in games. But I don't have any data on how Tribunal judges ACTUALLY vote, beyond what I've heard from judges (just anecdotally), so I don't have any definite answer. Do you have more data here? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:16 WirelessWaffle wrote: @ Mr_Tolkien and Shikyo The number of active/inactive accounts vs people is completely irrelevant to the point. If you randomly selected 100 people on the internet and asked yourself, "should I revoke their rights to interact with with other human beings on the internet for 1-30 days?" What percentage of people would you actually stop from interacting with others? Is it 1.4%? It's 0%? On February 16 2012 04:18 bmn wrote: According to the Tribunal rules, no he should not be banned. Man your skull must be really thick. If you go to a new job and your boss says he'll pay you 20.000$ a month, but as you work he ends up paying nothing, do you praise him for being extremely generous for paying you 20k a month? | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Damn haven't been watching the scrim as much but TRM Shen > Wicked's Irelia, probably helped more in a teamfight and likely TSM got dragon. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:18 BlackMagister wrote: I've never had 40 cases appear in the report for one person. At most it's around 7. Playing poorly isn't a good enough reason for being banned even though I think there is an option for reporting it. There was a reddit thread which had compiled red posts about tribunal saying trying out new things isn't bannable its more about your attitude and I'm sure that applies to doing poorly too. If there is nothing really bad in the chat log and the person just has a bad score than I won't punish the player. Yeah exactly, so you only need to be reported in 7 games .. And again, it doesn't matter what reds say, I know everything about it have read the rules multiple times, I'm more interested in like, the reality. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:22 BlackMagister wrote: Well there was a thread where people could ask a red why they got banned. I seriously doubt you got banned for a false manamune report and there is some rage your not telling us about. Rage? I already said that my bans were completely justified as I've trolled in hundreds of games and raged in allcaps for like 50 lines in a row, have I said otherwise? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:21 Shikyo wrote: Yeah exactly, so you only need to be reported in 7 games .. And again, it doesn't matter what reds say, I know everything about it have read the rules multiple times, I'm more interested in like, the reality. i'm genuinely curious as to what your basis for your reality is. Unless you work @ riot or know ppl who work @ riot and can get proper answers from people who actually know how tribunal works, then you can't go around assuming that the worst case scenario is something to be feared and expected (to an extent). I can get behind skepticism towards tribunal's efficacy, but you're blatanly asserting that tribunal isn't working and I really want to know if you have anything to back it up outside of intuitive logic. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 16 2012 04:07 gtrsrs wrote: the tribunal is pretty easy to dupe honestly imo if you want someone banned/reported, just say in chat "wow gg shen bought manamune" even if it's not true then at the end of the game "shen bought manamune then sold it back so he won't get banned please report" boom, final game page shows him with standard items, chat implies that this wasn't the case. people gonna hit punish no matter what, then when riot reads the report they'll see what you said in chat. gg shen edit: i'm 90% sure this is how i got one of my 3-day bans, a guy in a ranked game told the other team i bought manamune on leesin then sold it back and got them to report me About tribunal and how it works. I read it a while ago. http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/27912/?p=1 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:25 barbsq wrote: i'm genuinely curious as to what your basis for your reality is. Unless you work @ riot or know ppl who work @ riot and can get proper answers from people who actually know how tribunal works, then you can't go around assuming that the worst case scenario is something to be feared and expected (to an extent). I can get behind skepticism towards tribunal's efficacy, but you're blatanly asserting that tribunal isn't working and I really want to know if you have anything to back it up outside of intuitive logic. Threads I've read on forums mostly and also logic, as Tribunal has incomplete information and statistics of 94% punish ratio. Even in this thread there's been people who have been banned who probably shouldn't have been. Pretty simple. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Started with boots, only used a healing pot on blue (with leash it's not needed), left jungle at 100% hp, never built a single lifesteal item, took baron solo at 20:00 with FH/Mercs/Wit's End and a blue buff. But guys, guuuys. He's fast now. Like very fast and ultra safe. WW FOTM incoming after people get fed up with Shen and he gets nerfed. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:23 Shikyo wrote: Rage? I already said that my bans were completely justified as I've trolled in hundreds of games and raged in allcaps for like 50 lines in a row, have I said otherwise? I'm confused what your point even is, then. Are you trying to get people to agree that people are likely falsely banned under the Tribunal? Because the answer is, yes, of course people are falsely banned under the Tribunal. The real question, which we cannot answer with the statistics we have, is are more people falsely banned under the Tribunal than there would be under any other system of moderation and does the potential negatives outweigh the potential good of using the Tribunal to moderate more case more quickly? We just cannot know that. The Tribunal isn't perfect, but there's no evidence to show that it's unmoderated or that "bad" players are just being banned left and right due to corrupt Tribunal participants and report-happy players. There's just no evidence so it's silly to continue speculating about it. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
The new champ is really fucking good. The new Shen is really fucking overpowered. I want to get Nautilus, but I have no clue how to build him at all. Halp? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Like death penalty's really cool until you get the wrong guy. I don't even see any reason to ban anyone for something other than like AFKing, even summoners code says to ignore ragers About Nautilus: full AP imo but everyone else disagrees. About new Shen: I still don't think he's that strong and is counterable in lane. Not even as tough as Yorick in lane imo. BTW Nunu rapes Shen top sideways | ||
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