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Heed these two simple warnings. It will help make our GD a better place.

Consider this fair notice to all users. Warning will be dished out this patch.

Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 19:47:53
February 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#1161
On February 05 2012 04:26 RogerX wrote:
With all these new champions releasing, the release of new and original(?) passives are being introduced more and more into the game.

What do you think is the best passive and which do you think is worse?

Best for me, perhaps stat increasers such as vlads or Singed.
Worse? I hate nunu, ash and Swain's passive (Swain's is just boring)


Worst passive is easy: Evelynn's. It's the third-best passive of its type, after Fizz's and Amumu's E.

Best is definitely subjective, but my top 5 would be:

- Tristana
- Urgot
- Kennen
- Janna
- Poppy

All 5 of those passives are retardedly strong, to the point where they're one of the strongest (if not the strongest) skill in the champion's skillset.

On February 05 2012 04:39 starfries wrote:
I wish they would stop putting AA passives on casters. Like Lux, Orianna, Ziggs, and probably someone else I'm forgetting. I appreciate the thought behind it and it's kind of useful in lane, but I'm still never going to go around autoattacking people in a teamfight.


Ziggs' passive is fantastic and how a caster AA passive should be designed. The numbers are probably too high on it (especially vs towers), but trading an autoattack once in a while and being rewarded for it is good design. Same with Kennen's W.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#1162
the general rule of thumb is if something is over 50 years old, you can copy it all you want and not get copyright infringement. there are exceptions, but that's how it usually goes.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#1163
On February 05 2012 04:42 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 03:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
At the very least, I hope that people who buy skins actually buy them on champs that they play, hahaha.
I means I'm all for supporting Riot. But drop monies for a skin you don't use much would just be too sad.

But Reverse Annie is SOOOOOO CUUUUUTTTTEEEE AMG. Why does it matter she has a lot of bad matchups mid??

On a side note, I was involved in an interesting chat while ago...

[image loading]


Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 04:10 ManyCookies wrote:
Speaking of the Megaman Skin, Riot is delaying it again; they want to further improve it. How they possibly could do that without blantant copyright infringment is beyond me.

They have a legal team that checks everything. Copyright infringement in terms of creative design become rather tedious. For the record though, Red Riding Hood derivatives aren't infringement because it's part of the public domain. But explaining the nitty-gritty of copyright infringement and all the precedents would take too long for me to explain. Just go do a law degree if you're interested.


Too lazy to explain? Wiki solves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain
Cover copyright, public domain and expirations thereof.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 04 2012 19:48 GMT
#1164
amumu's e is good, allows you to boss mode lanes against melees with no escape without getting raped by minions, if the rest of his kit wasnt so bad in lane then it would be nice

amumu's passive is one of the best in the game imo
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 19:50:11
February 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#1165
On February 05 2012 04:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
the general rule of thumb is if something is over 50 years old, you can copy it all you want and not get copyright infringement. there are exceptions, but that's how it usually goes.


You mean patents (for inventions: inventors). Those last around 50ish years.
Copyrights (for legal concepts: authors) tend to last a tad longer. (Author's death + 100~ years)

I'm nitpicking but I find IP law a little interesting, especially with SOPA, etc in the news as of late. Learning es gud.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 19:51:43
February 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#1166
On February 05 2012 04:41 turdburgler wrote:
maybe the intent of aa passives on casters is to help in lane without buffing their team fights


Little known fact; Lux has an absolutely stupid amount of burst level 6-7 due to her passive. As in, Leblanc level stupid amount of burst.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
February 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#1167
On February 05 2012 04:48 turdburgler wrote:
amumu's e is good, allows you to boss mode lanes against melees with no escape without getting raped by minions, if the rest of his kit wasnt so bad in lane then it would be nice

amumu's passive is one of the best in the game imo


Amumu's passive is -15/25/35 MR on the target he's headbutting, he's just so OP he gets another passive on his E. Amumu has great passives in general, but if you're looking for his passive on a better laner you want Fizz.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#1168
Volibear passive too strong.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 19:52:53
February 04 2012 19:52 GMT
#1169
On February 05 2012 04:51 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 04:48 turdburgler wrote:
amumu's e is good, allows you to boss mode lanes against melees with no escape without getting raped by minions, if the rest of his kit wasnt so bad in lane then it would be nice

amumu's passive is one of the best in the game imo


Amumu's passive is -15/25/35 MR on the target he's headbutting, he's just so OP he gets another passive on his E. Amumu has great passives in general, but if you're looking for his passive on a better laner you want Fizz.


yes, my comment on his passive was seperate because you posted the 2 comments separately in your post too
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
February 04 2012 19:53 GMT
#1170
On February 05 2012 04:45 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 04:26 RogerX wrote:
With all these new champions releasing, the release of new and original(?) passives are being introduced more and more into the game.

What do you think is the best passive and which do you think is worse?

Best for me, perhaps stat increasers such as vlads or Singed.
Worse? I hate nunu, ash and Swain's passive (Swain's is just boring)


Worst passive is easy: Evelynn's. It's the third-best passive of its type, after Fizz's and Amumu's E.

Best is definitely subjective, but my top 5 would be:

- Tristana
- Urgot
- Kennen
- Janna
- Poppy

All 5 of those passives are retardedly strong, to the point where they're one of the strongest (if not the strongest) skill in the champion's skillset.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 04:39 starfries wrote:
I wish they would stop putting AA passives on casters. Like Lux, Orianna, Ziggs, and probably someone else I'm forgetting. I appreciate the thought behind it and it's kind of useful in lane, but I'm still never going to go around autoattacking people in a teamfight.


Ziggs' passive is fantastic and how a caster AA passive should be designed. The numbers are probably too high on it (especially vs towers), but trading an autoattack once in a while and being rewarded for it is good design. Same with Kennen's W.


Ryze's passive defines the champion. Annie's passive is also very essential to her kit. Galio and Rammus passives are both up there. Nasus and Morgana passives very powerful. Sona's passive is also pretty essential to how she's played.
I am the Town Medic.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
February 04 2012 19:58 GMT
#1171
Can someone explain to me why Yi is so popular with lower levels? I know he's cheap, and he seems to snowball like crazy. I just don't understand the fascination with him.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
February 04 2012 19:59 GMT
#1172
On February 05 2012 04:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 04:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
the general rule of thumb is if something is over 50 years old, you can copy it all you want and not get copyright infringement. there are exceptions, but that's how it usually goes.


You mean patents (for inventions: inventors). Those last around 50ish years.
Copyrights (for legal concepts: authors) tend to last a tad longer. (Author's death + 100~ years)

I'm nitpicking but I find IP law a little interesting, especially with SOPA, etc in the news as of late. Learning es gud.

This is getting off topic, but it is interesting to note that copyright duration is continuously increasing as time progresses. In fact, many original pieces of works that should be in the public domain are still off limits due to lobbying by organisations due to extend copyright duration. In particular, classic icons such as Mickey Mouse, Winnie the Pooh and the original Star Wars movies. It also creates interesting conflicts with Article I, United States Constitution. But that is starting to become really off topic...

For those interesting on a basic overview that's easy to understand, here's a good simple video:
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 04 2012 20:00 GMT
#1173
Watching M5 vs AL. http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=81

Alex Ich getting dominated in mid vs cassio, M5 down 0-3
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 20:01:50
February 04 2012 20:00 GMT
#1174
Because Yi is fun and simple, and duels quite well.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 04 2012 20:00 GMT
#1175
On February 05 2012 04:58 Kouda wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Yi is so popular with lower levels? I know he's cheap, and he seems to snowball like crazy. I just don't understand the fascination with him.


Great duelist, mows down towers.
You're assuming that there's little to no coordination at low elo. Which is why Yi is good. He wins hard outside of team fights and takes team objectives relatively fast.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 04 2012 20:02 GMT
#1176
Support Smash! http://www.own3d.tv/abballer

FactSet hwaiting~
Down with Google! (probably only time I'll ever say this, haha)
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
February 04 2012 20:02 GMT
#1177
On February 05 2012 05:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
Support Smash! http://www.own3d.tv/abballer

FactSet hwaiting~
Down with Google! (probably only time I'll ever say this, haha)

Dr. Dunkenstein in da house yesyes?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 04 2012 20:04 GMT
#1178
Holy f- never remembered Amumu's passive, it's so good. o_o Ima raise you a Soraka, a Morgana, a Ryze or a Fiddle in his team and then just do bonus damage to everyone with magic.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 20:06:04
February 04 2012 20:05 GMT
#1179
edit fell asleep, didn't refresh
bosiddon
Profile Joined September 2010
308 Posts
February 04 2012 20:05 GMT
#1180
tsm getting so lazy with their guides

this week oddone and chaox just put new masteries into their 4 month old mf/ww guides
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