On February 03 2012 21:19 r.Evo wrote:On February 03 2012 19:37 wei2coolman wrote:On February 03 2012 18:50 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Dont forget Maokais double CC + slow ganks.
Maokai doesn't offer as much cc as sej in full teamfight.
and for people asking for a guide on full tank sejuani, obviously don't play tanks. tank items are completely situational, and everyone here should know that. I think her cc's are much better in late game than maokai. I think she's just extremely underrated, and for very poor reasons.
runes should be fairly straight forward, armor red, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, flat hp quints. mpen reds work too, they work nicely in early mid game.
masteries should be 9/21/0, but 0/21/9 works as well.
good items are any items that give defensive stats along with health. so big buys include sunfire cape, randuins omen, warmogs, banshee veil, etc. etc. Frozen heart is a VERY nice addition, considering it'll almost always keep her northern winds active with the CDR it provides. Great early game items include philo stone + hog, and build accordingly from there.
Early jungle, get an amazing leash from your mid on wolves, and blue, and you'll have pretty decent clear time.
In terms of sejuani damage out put, I think it's decent.
Her main damage output is going to be from northern winds. People say amumu's despair is much better, but is it?
Assuming you don't build amumu pure ap. Tears do 2.7% of the enemy's damage in health. Which is great against high health bruisers, but so-so against carries, and tanks (as tanks have decent mr to deal with the dmg).
So lets say carries have around 2k~2.k health. Would you rather take the 2.7% damage +24 of 2k health, or would you rather get hit by sejuanis 2% of SEJUANI'S health, which would be more around 3k~3.5k + 36, per second.
lets do the math.
amumu's tears do around 91.5dmg per second, when maxed, when enemy hp is around 2500.
sejuani's health around 3.5k deals around 106dps, when maxed.
BUT amumu's stays on forever! Yes, this is true. But sejuani's northern winds has a cooldown of 10 seconds, with near 40% cdr with froz heart, elixer, soulshroud, is around 6 seconds. Since her w lasts for 5 seconds, there is only a 1 second gap in between.
Now obviously amumu's overal damage output is much higher due to tantrum, but the utility from permafrost should not be overlooked, as your main job as a tank is to disrupt and constantly slow the enemy team, not necessarily to do an obscene amount of damage. or anything. The question is, is the lack of damage dealt by sejuani, made up for her utility? I think it is, especially late game.
Tbh I just see her as an amumu with more utility and slightly less overall damage.
Now I am ready for the shitstorm.
Hmm... the Amumu comparison makes sense actually.
Ima elaborate on my problem with her then.
Solo top. If you build her like you're suggesting (I'm guessing you're aiming for a CDR/Tank build, kinda like possible on Cho) - congrats, you'll get wrecked in lane cause your sustain is 0. Philo? Wriggles? Okay options, but not that strong. Also the fact that you commit to a CDR build before the game even stars is durphurp as well. Why do you have to commit? Because you won't get away with much else unless you get fat quickly.
Hell, a Philo -> HoG opening on someone with such a weak laning phase as Sejuani is asking to get raped, denied and massacred in very unfun ways.
From the jungler perspective.The reason why I keep comparing her to Maokai is simple, Sejuani offers solid ganks pre 6 and insane ganks post 6. However, her clearspeed is horrible compared to him. She needs blue even more than Maokai because she needs a full QE->W combo to clear even wraiths at a decent speed.
By the time she hits 6 a Maokai would have outfarmed her, AND outganked her. Being outfarmed is fine. (Think Maokai vs Shyvanna) - being outganked is fine as well (think Shyvanna vs Lee), but Sejuani can barely outgank an Udyr pre 6 and WILL fall behind in farm while she ganks because she clears so slow compared to him.
Basicly you're stuck with someone who:
a) Has medicore to low clearspeed.
b) Has mediocre to good ganks pre 6.
c) Has insanely strong ganks post 6.
d) Is highly blue dependant.
Maokai beats her at a) b) and d), Amumu beats her at a) and c), maybe even d).
PS: I'm not even argueing that she's a bad champion, in fact I love her design and I think she's immensly powerfull once she get's rolling. However, getting there is either a huge problem since your outlaned hard as fuck (top) or you, your team and your jungle will suffer till you get some levels & items (jungle).
PPS: The above is the reason why I call her viable solo top paired with a strong ganky jungler who can abuse her CC. Jungling her is just plain stupid imo.
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