EPTThe lack of professionalism isn't something I enjoy in LoL, and Regi is pretty much the epitome of anti-professionalism. But, he's 100% right. CDE won the right to go to Korea.
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Azuzu
United States340 Posts
The lack of professionalism isn't something I enjoy in LoL, and Regi is pretty much the epitome of anti-professionalism. But, he's 100% right. CDE won the right to go to Korea. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:14 Juicyfruit wrote: All of what's happening now, should have happened BEFORE the rematch. And what? Make all this noise before the rematch and get banned or DQ'd or at least give it a try. What bothers me the most about this situation, if it played out like they all said, is that it could have all been solved if matt marcou or WCG (whoever made the decision) took literally 5 seconds, and IM'd hotshot. I mean hotshot clearly already has contacts within riot so literally 1 line sent on skype could have saved all of this. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:14 Juicyfruit wrote: All of what's happening now, should have happened BEFORE the rematch. I don't think there was enough time. Regi said they had like 48 hours to play the match or else forfeit? | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:18 OreoBoi wrote: And what? Make all this noise before the rematch and get banned or DQ'd or at least give it a try. What bothers me the most about this situation, if it played out like they all said, is that it could have all been solved if matt marcou or WCG (whoever made the decision) took literally 5 seconds, and IM'd hotshot. I mean hotshot clearly already has contacts within riot so literally 1 line sent on skype could have saved all of this. Because of HOW EASY it would have been to sort the situation out, I really think there's some foul play at work here. Thousands of people watched both finals. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:20 Sandster wrote: Because of HOW EASY it would have been to sort the situation out, I really think there's some foul play at work here. Thousands of people watched both finals. From how the whole WCG USA and Canada has been handled, I'd think not. The former in particular simply doesn't have the resources or motivation to do anything. For all practical purposes, the whole WCG USA has been organized solely by the players themselves with next to no input and official overlook from Riot or WCG. They are just incompetent and completely horrible at handling PR, with no incentive to want to fix that. | ||
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shavi
United States127 Posts
While it's clear Regi doesn't really have speaking skills that Odee does, it doesn't matter when you come across as a douchebag and don't have the facts on your side. Grats on going to Korea, hope it was worth going from one of the most popular LoL teams to the biggest heel I've seen in eSports in a long time. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Okay internet bandwagoning on voyboy not cool, but jesus trying to draw "12 years in esports" card when the talk was about LoL tournament play and how Esports does it...gosh. Yea double elim, double set in LoL where a single game can take 60 minutes, real hard concept why it isn't often (ever?) bo3 sets instead of a bo3. You could say SC2 can take that long too, but then a lot of SC2 matches are before 20minutes, if cheese happens it could be over in 10. In LoL you are mid laning phase at that point, it's just not gonna change much between games. This whole thing was pretty stupid though. Maybe it would have been better to hear Dyrus at this instead of Regi. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:20 Sandster wrote: Because of HOW EASY it would have been to sort the situation out, I really think there's some foul play at work here. Thousands of people watched both finals. I dunno, I don't think I could be convinced to give the WCG admins enough credit for competence to suspect a conspiracy. Whether Voyboy was deliberately misleading or just misinformed in his e-mail to the WCG admins, that shouldn't have even had an IMPACT on the administrative decisions made aside from calling for a double-check on procedure. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:18 OreoBoi wrote: And what? Make all this noise before the rematch and get banned or DQ'd or at least give it a try. What bothers me the most about this situation, if it played out like they all said, is that it could have all been solved if matt marcou or WCG (whoever made the decision) took literally 5 seconds, and IM'd hotshot. I mean hotshot clearly already has contacts within riot so literally 1 line sent on skype could have saved all of this. Not that I can't understand their behavior but....from my outlook, CDE simply wanted to take what is the easier way out instead of actually standing up for themselves. It was less hassle for CDE to just play the damn game even if it means them being screwed, and NOW regi is complaining all over the place when the situation was pretty clear-cut to begin with. This is a pretty big story. Rule tampering is a BIG nono in all competitive events and I'm pretty damn sure all figures in ESports are just dying to get a story about WCG, LoL, and cheating. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Cait is a lane dominator. Her end-game is atrocious, really. No one has EVER complained about Cait's end-game DPS being too high. These nerfs still let her hold a lane just as well, because it's the range, not the damage, that let her hold a lane. Nerfing the damage for lvl4/5 abilities is just a direct blow to what was an extremely underwhelming end-game character. And maybe the trap radius was too wide... but it really wasn't. Cait needed all the insurance and protection she could get. I'm not using her anymore. She war barely viable as is, and for some reason, she gets nerfed in the dumbest possible way. This nerf doesn't nerf her strength, it only further nerfs her weaknesses. Dumb. EDIT: and this thread should be about the patch, not tournament drama.... Why can't you guys take the WCG discussion.... somewhere else? | ||
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shavi
United States127 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:24 daemir wrote: This Odee guy came out like..I don't know, like a corporate douche? Dodge questions, tells something is shady when it was pretty clear in the rules before they got changed and all this shit. Okay internet bandwagoning on voyboy not cool, but jesus trying to draw "12 years in esports" card when the talk was about LoL tournament play and how Esports does it...gosh. Yea double elim, double set in LoL where a single game can take 60 minutes, real hard concept why it isn't often (ever?) bo3 sets instead of a bo3. You could say SC2 can take that long too, but then a lot of SC2 matches are before 20minutes, if cheese happens it could be over in 10. In LoL you are mid laning phase at that point, it's just not gonna change much between games. This whole thing was pretty stupid though. Maybe it would have been better to hear Dyrus at this instead of Regi. The only one better at talking about this would have been Dan Dihn, because that dude fucking destroyed Marcou on SotL. Regi did fine, he just used the truth and despite how bad at speaking/debating he is, he still comes out way ahead of Dignitas' Odee. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:24 daemir wrote: This Odee guy came out like..I don't know, like a corporate douche? Dodge questions, tells something is shady when it was pretty clear in the rules before they got changed and all this shit. Okay internet bandwagoning on voyboy not cool, but jesus trying to draw "12 years in esports" card when the talk was about LoL tournament play and how Esports does it...gosh. Yea double elim, double set in LoL where a single game can take 60 minutes, real hard concept why it isn't often (ever?) bo3 sets instead of a bo3. You could say SC2 can take that long too, but then a lot of SC2 matches are before 20minutes, if cheese happens it could be over in 10. In LoL you are mid laning phase at that point, it's just not gonna change much between games. This whole thing was pretty stupid though. Maybe it would have been better to hear Dyrus at this instead of Regi. Odee is the kind of guy(judging on what I saw) you just can't argue with, they just avoid every question. It's the kind off people you either punch or ignore. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:14 Juicyfruit wrote: All of what's happening now, should have happened BEFORE the rematch. Are you just completely ignoring all of the discussion they had with Marcou? If you're to believe his position, he was the final decision maker in all of this, the man with the power to rule one way or the other. After he told them the 2nd Bo3 was to be played what card did they have left to play? They went to the highest level they possibly could and raised their issue and were denied, and only then did they reserve themselves to playing the final set. You're making it sound like when Voyboy made his post that CDE were all like "oh that's cool we'll just win again." That's just not true. They pushed the issue as much as they could in the time allotted, I'm not sure what else you want them to do as protest. from my outlook, CDE simply wanted to take what is the easier way out instead of actually standing up for themselves. It was less hassle for CDE to just play the damn game even if it means them being screwed, and NOW regi is complaining all over the place when the situation was pretty clear-cut to begin with. What the fuck? Are you just making shit up now? They absolutely did not just lie down and let it happen. They tried pretty damn hard to not play the bo3, including bringing in Team Canada members and Dan Dinh to help argue on their behalfs about the rules issue, to which Marcou just told them "Canada did it wrong." | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:25 Juicyfruit wrote: Not that I can't understand their behavior but....from my outlook, CDE simply wanted to take what is the easier way out instead of actually standing up for themselves. It was less hassle for CDE to just play the damn game even if it means them being screwed, and NOW regi is complaining all over the place when the situation was pretty clear-cut to begin with. That's bullshit and you know it. There was no shortage of them calling the ruling out for what it was before the match. On November 02 2011 07:15 NoobieOne wrote: Are you kidding me? Would you imagine if lets say in a MLG you had a player like Incontrol who is outspoken against the extended series rule being up 2-0 against a player like Bomber who is a lot better than he is (don't ask how he managed to get there) Do you think he would have forfeited the first 2 games to make it an even series just because he doesn't like the ruling? I personally believe that a player would take whatever advantage they can get against a player/team that they feel can give a challenge to them. This has nothing to do with disliking the rule and everything to do with it being changed after-the-fact 180 degrees from what it originally said. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I'm pretty sure most people had the same mentality, "we'll grab our pitchforks IF CDE loses". What kind of attitude is that. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:28 red_ wrote: Are you just completely ignoring all of the discussion they had with Marcou? If you're to believe his position, he was the final decision maker in all of this, the man with the power to rule one way or the other. After he told them the 2nd Bo3 was to be played what card did they have left to play? They went to the highest level they possibly could and raised their issue and were denied, and only then did they reserve themselves to playing the final set. You're making it sound like when Voyboy made his post that CDE were all like "oh that's cool we'll just win again." That's just not true. They pushed the issue as much as they could in the time allotted, I'm not sure what else you want them to do as protest. The best part is that pendragon I believe said that Marcou had nothing to do with the ruling at all and only gave the advice to just stick to their rules,. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:30 Juicyfruit wrote: Look, it didn't get to this degree of media coverage before CDE "lost". Reginald didn't make his vblog before CDE lost. The ridiculous forum backlack didn't happen until after CDE lost. I'm pretty sure most people had the same mentality, "we'll grab our pitchforks IF CDE loses". What kind of attitude is that. ??? Reddit, LoL general forums, IRC (#clgaming, #solomid.lol, #teamliquidlol, etc), and GD were all on fire about this topic. Just because you stuck your head in the sand and missed it all doesn't mean it didn't happen. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:32 Craton wrote: ??? Reddit, LoL general forums, IRC (#clgaming, #solomid.lol, #teamliquidlol, etc), and GD were all on fire about this topic. Just because you stuck your head in the sand and missed it all doesn't mean it didn't happen. I was there for ALL of it. I know perfectly well what was happening the entire time. There was no shortage of people who were simply waiting for the last game before protesting. There are at least 30x more bitching on forums after sunday than before. | ||
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