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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 19 2011 08:29 GMT
#141
On October 19 2011 17:15 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Anyone else noticing the "True Grit" passive on Graves is very similiar to the "true grit" of space wolves in 40k lore? Space wolves can hold 2 bolters/weapons in their hands to fire simultaneously just as Graves holds 2 massive guns in his hands.


....
really?
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because seeing as graves is a dastardly cowboy and all, i would contend that it is 100% a reference to the classic COWBOY MOVIES that it is named after

y'all nerds need to get out and watch a (great) movie sometime
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
October 19 2011 08:35 GMT
#142
I love how they nerfed the gunblade because:

It was too good on Akali.
It was too good in dominion.

When they could easily just nerf Akali and replace it with a different item in dominion (like the did for the Doran's items --> prospector items etc)
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 19 2011 08:39 GMT
#143
On October 19 2011 17:24 Shiv. wrote:
Any predictions to what extent my beloved Katarina will suffer from the Gunblade nerf? The way I see it, the sustain nerfs don't hurt her as much as she's supposed to be played (quoting scarra here) as a major clean-up champ. The 20 AD, on the other side, take out a good chunk of Q and R damage. Not so worried about the R to be honest, it's at a place right now where you'll primarily use it to tag assists for Voracity or if you are 100% sure your sequence is going to be able to catch someone off guard, in which case I think it should still be good enough. But that Q is, obviously especially in combination with Voracity, so so vital for her to be strong right now... IDK.

Opinions?


full AP is better than any gunblade build even before the nerf. rylai -> deathcap ->lich bane -> void staff gogogo
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 19 2011 09:23 GMT
#144
On October 19 2011 17:35 LAN-f34r wrote:
I love how they nerfed the gunblade because:

It was too good on Akali.
It was too good in dominion.

When they could easily just nerf Akali and replace it with a different item in dominion (like the did for the Doran's items --> prospector items etc)

Gunblade was too strong anyways. Your suggestion would just fix the symptoms, but not the cause. Which would lead to more and more problems in the future.
They possibly nerfed Gunblade a bit too much, but it's still decently efficient. They definitely aren't too far off the mark now.

If some champs suffer a lot from the Gunblade nerf, it only means that those champs were problematic anyways - they only worked with Gunblade. Give those champs some carefull buffs to compensate and the game will reach a much healthier balance.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 19 2011 09:43 GMT
#145
owtf servers are back up
that was easy
Hey! Listen!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 19 2011 09:43 GMT
#146
On October 19 2011 17:13 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 12:38 Tabbris wrote:
I give u graves

"fairly early frozen mallet"
He has IE PD BT FM at 36 minutes.

Phreak #1.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Accelerant
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
October 19 2011 10:06 GMT
#147
am suprised noc and blitz skins are only 520 rp :o
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
October 19 2011 10:13 GMT
#148
streaming graves
http://www.own3d.tv/live/15083
btw i moved into a gaming house
i wish riot would give me better ping
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
October 19 2011 10:13 GMT
#149
fastest fucking patch? thE FUCK
jaymik kr/na
MuATaran
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada231 Posts
October 19 2011 10:22 GMT
#150
Still waiting for GP nerf that addresses what is acutally bad about him lol, although I guess the steady stream of nerfs will eventually make up for the fact that Parley can do half of just about any champs health
"Our Banshees will blot out the Sun! ... Then we shall Stim in the Shade." - Doa
JonsaBoy
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Denmark457 Posts
October 19 2011 10:24 GMT
#151
On October 19 2011 19:13 locodoco wrote:
streaming graves
http://www.own3d.tv/live/15083
btw i moved into a gaming house


Who are you in house with?
TLMS
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 19 2011 10:25 GMT
#152
wait what? I thought it would take more than like 6 hours whats going on lol
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
October 19 2011 10:31 GMT
#153
Thanks Riot for fastest patch ever. Does it mean they are sorting out the shit bugs from client?
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
October 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#154
On October 19 2011 19:24 JonsaBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 19:13 locodoco wrote:
streaming graves
http://www.own3d.tv/live/15083
btw i moved into a gaming house


Who are you in house with?

rjsdndgod
madlife
cornsalad
rapidstar
i wish riot would give me better ping
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
October 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#155
So, when trying to join any game it's just hanging at the LoL symbol and saying can't connect to the server, same for anyone else?
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
October 19 2011 11:04 GMT
#156
On October 19 2011 19:13 locodoco wrote:
streaming graves
http://www.own3d.tv/live/15083
btw i moved into a gaming house

you already stopped??? noooo
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 11:15:02
October 19 2011 11:11 GMT
#157
On October 19 2011 17:39 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 17:24 Shiv. wrote:
Any predictions to what extent my beloved Katarina will suffer from the Gunblade nerf? The way I see it, the sustain nerfs don't hurt her as much as she's supposed to be played (quoting scarra here) as a major clean-up champ. The 20 AD, on the other side, take out a good chunk of Q and R damage. Not so worried about the R to be honest, it's at a place right now where you'll primarily use it to tag assists for Voracity or if you are 100% sure your sequence is going to be able to catch someone off guard, in which case I think it should still be good enough. But that Q is, obviously especially in combination with Voracity, so so vital for her to be strong right now... IDK.

Opinions?


full AP is better than any gunblade build even before the nerf. rylai -> deathcap ->lich bane -> void staff gogogo

Scarra, possibly best Kat player in the world, begs to differ. He strongly dislikes Rylai's for the most part, as it's incredibly situational. My experience supports those statements. Gunblade -> Deathcap is superior to any Rylai's builds. Reason being is that Gunblade was the one single item who offered most DPS gain for your ult and Rylai's being a 3k gold investment for 80 AP.

source.

currently rooting for myself.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 19 2011 11:18 GMT
#158
Saw some people rushing sorcs/guise/some AP item (revolver or NLR) for massive magic penetration (and harass damage) early on, especially on people not building resistance. Is it just too weak to transition into lategame?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 19 2011 11:26 GMT
#159
It delays your dcap and isn't that good vs people who actually build MR, reducing 40 magicress when someone has 180 doesn't do that much, it's good in lane on champs with high base dmg on their spells though.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 19 2011 11:33 GMT
#160
On October 19 2011 20:04 Attakijing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 19:13 locodoco wrote:
streaming graves
http://www.own3d.tv/live/15083
btw i moved into a gaming house

you already stopped??? noooo

Elementz playing Graves atm:
http://www.own3d.tv/live/2770/RoG.CLGaming.net_-_Elementz

Looks pimp.
Finally a real male ad carry.
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