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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 23 2011 18:00 GMT
#1221
My genius friend Tony, aka "Brian Morrison" or "eugenital", has proposed a genius idea. You should get MINION ASSISTS, or gold for assisting a minion kill.
This is because a lot of us work very hard to get the kill on a minion only to have it stolen by a greedy, heartless useless minion that is going to die anyways. Also, in the laning phase, many of us like to "last hit" minions for the gold. This is unfair to the regular minions as they worked hard to whittle down that minion to a tiny amount of hp only to have a big champion steal that minion kill from them. Also, it would make the problem of assholes coming into your lane to steal your cs a lot more bearable. Leashers for junglers would also be rewarded for their kind efforts in aiding their jungler.
:)
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 18:19:36
October 23 2011 18:18 GMT
#1222
On October 24 2011 02:30 travis wrote:
So whats the assessment? Graves big time OP?

I'd say so, yes.
Good mobility, good stereoid, good burst for laning, good survivability. Significant AoE damage. Smoke Grenade is amazing.

I'd say definitely better than Cait, but Kog still deals more damage. However, Kog has WAY less survivability in the form of stats/escapes. Not too sure yet how he compares to Vayne.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
October 23 2011 18:22 GMT
#1223
If they balanced minion gold around an assist pool, then it would be even easier to steal gold from a lanemate, as you wouldn't even need to lasthit minions, you could just spam abilities on them.


bragtime:
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just hit season 2 gold, gotta take a break from ranked before I forget how to play other champs
[image loading]
jaxjaxjaxjaxjax
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 18:32:57
October 23 2011 18:31 GMT
#1224
On October 24 2011 01:22 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:23 Shikyo wrote:
Wow after like 5 tries it finally worked.

Lvl 10 shaco with wriggles and bluebuff solo baron at 15min ezpz

Time to carry soloqueue


Just stack jitb and use clone to tank? Seems not enough damage.

Enough dmg with bluebuff as you can stack 9 boxes, also ignite and smite

On October 24 2011 02:15 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:23 Shikyo wrote:
Wow after like 5 tries it finally worked.

Lvl 10 shaco with wriggles and bluebuff solo baron at 15min ezpz

Time to carry soloqueue

isn't it a lot more reasonable to drag mid or top up to baron to help you with it then risk getting caught while setting up?

um they should help yes but you still need to setup
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 23 2011 18:32 GMT
#1225
On October 24 2011 03:22 Flakes wrote:
If they balanced minion gold around an assist pool, then it would be even easier to steal gold from a lanemate, as you wouldn't even need to lasthit minions, you could just spam abilities on them.


bragtime:
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just hit season 2 gold, gotta take a break from ranked before I forget how to play other champs
[image loading]
jaxjaxjaxjaxjax


Warwick clearly UP
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
October 23 2011 18:40 GMT
#1226
Finally managed to save up 6300 IP without spending any of it (a problem for me >.<), and want to get either Vayne or Graves. Who should I go for? It's either ask here or flip a coin.
Whatevs
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#1227
Just a quick question do you guys think trundle might get a IP price drop soon?
Would be gutted if I buy him now and than 2 weeks later he drops to half the price.
Cackle™
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 23 2011 18:43 GMT
#1228
On October 24 2011 03:41 TheKefka wrote:
Just a quick question do you guys think trundle might get a IP price drop soon?
Would be gutted if I buy him now and than 2 weeks later he drops to half the price.

Not in a long long looooooooooooooooooooong long time, he's one of the newer champs and he's also 4800iirc.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
October 23 2011 18:45 GMT
#1229
On October 24 2011 03:41 TheKefka wrote:
Just a quick question do you guys think trundle might get a IP price drop soon?
Would be gutted if I buy him now and than 2 weeks later he drops to half the price.

Nope. Trundle was just released under a year ago. Won't be seeing an IP drop anytime soon.
God Bless
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 23 2011 18:46 GMT
#1230
i pretty much never shit talk players i've only seen on streams, it just seems daft to me. Like, the only high elo player i've never ever seen doing anything but feed is theroflfactor. Every time i see him on stream he's just fed fed fed, i honestly don't think i've ever seen him on the winning team. Then i'll check his match history and he's like 2-7 every game. But the guy got high elo twice... So he's doing something right, even with him i don't see how i could justify talking shit.
On October 24 2011 03:00 unichan wrote:
My genius friend Tony, aka "Brian Morrison" or "eugenital", has proposed a genius idea. You should get MINION ASSISTS, or gold for assisting a minion kill.
This is because a lot of us work very hard to get the kill on a minion only to have it stolen by a greedy, heartless useless minion that is going to die anyways. Also, in the laning phase, many of us like to "last hit" minions for the gold. This is unfair to the regular minions as they worked hard to whittle down that minion to a tiny amount of hp only to have a big champion steal that minion kill from them. Also, it would make the problem of assholes coming into your lane to steal your cs a lot more bearable. Leashers for junglers would also be rewarded for their kind efforts in aiding their jungler.

the idea of creep gold getting automatically split in a duo lane is not a new one. Personally i like it, the main reason i don't want to duo anything but support + x is that i hate competing for farm with my lanemate.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 23 2011 18:47 GMT
#1231
On October 24 2011 03:40 Zenithal wrote:
Finally managed to save up 6300 IP without spending any of it (a problem for me >.<), and want to get either Vayne or Graves. Who should I go for? It's either ask here or flip a coin.

Graves imo
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
October 23 2011 18:48 GMT
#1232
On October 24 2011 03:47 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 03:40 Zenithal wrote:
Finally managed to save up 6300 IP without spending any of it (a problem for me >.<), and want to get either Vayne or Graves. Who should I go for? It's either ask here or flip a coin.

Graves imo

Yeah, I think he's stronger right now, but everyone says he should get a nerf. I don't want to pick him up then have him suck after the next patch D:
Whatevs
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 23 2011 18:49 GMT
#1233
Vayne still does more dmg than any other carry without farm:p
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 23 2011 18:51 GMT
#1234
On October 24 2011 03:49 JackDino wrote:
Vayne still does more dmg than any other carry without farm:p

Is that why Tyler plays her?
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jk jk don't shoot plz
Cackle™
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
October 23 2011 18:51 GMT
#1235
On October 24 2011 03:49 JackDino wrote:
Vayne still does more dmg than any other carry without farm:p

And with farm?
Whatevs
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 23 2011 18:52 GMT
#1236
IMO the biggest problem with graves is that his burst is obscene, he can straight up 1 shot squishes with a q-r combo with any sort of damage items. Normally that wouldnt be so bad, but then you factor in his e- which will be permanently up at level 18 and a PD, so he can throw around his burst then go into sustained damage mode with an insane steroid.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 23 2011 18:55 GMT
#1237
Grave's burst is retarded. Grave's W utility is retarded. Graves E is fucking batshit retarded.

He's gonna get a numbers nerf soon, or Riot's just fucking retarded. But atm, Graves > Vayne imo.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 23 2011 19:09 GMT
#1238
lvl 6 graves with 2 dorans literally 1 shot me as a lvl 6 sona with defensive runes just from his burst. -_-
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
October 23 2011 19:10 GMT
#1239
Graves will have the same thing as Lee Sin: It doesn't matter how much you nerf him (if you don't nerf him like Eve), he will every time be OP, because he has that ridiculous OP Skillset.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 19:21:04
October 23 2011 19:17 GMT
#1240
On October 24 2011 04:10 gnutz wrote:
Graves will have the same thing as Lee Sin: It doesn't matter how much you nerf him (if you don't nerf him like Eve), he will every time be OP, because he has that ridiculous OP Skillset.

I don't really agree,like leesin you just have to nerf the stats on his skills,shorter range,weaker burst,shorter duration on W or smaller radius or no damage.
It's easier to fix by "toning" down all the skills than doing major changes to the character that is well rounded.
Like leesin should be jack of all trades master of none and I don't really have a problem with that.
Cackle™
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