EPT[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 64
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Why is Graves' better? As previously mentioned, Tristana can get slightly over 700 range with a better escape. Tristana is also pretty much completely effective at her max range where as Graves needs to be up close to use his Q's full potential which, against competent players, isn't going to be his greatest interest all the time. People just don't position against Graves properly. Take into account he has a dash and just stay as far as your champion allows. Granted yes he is quite durable with his passive so him getting in your face during laning is quite plausible. Him getting in your face in a team fight though should be much less free. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 24 2011 06:23 Cixah wrote: Graves has 1 option vs Cait in lane. Push the lane harder than she does. If you are any kind of smart with traps as cait its practicly a free kill as you have almost 200 range on him. Play agressive recieve money. Since when is 100 "almost 200"? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 24 2011 06:45 lynx.oblige wrote: There is some seriously disturbing misconceptions going on about Graves. PermaTristQ'd? Wat? At rank 5 it has a 14 second cooldown and lasts for only 4 seconds. Yes, it lowers 1s per attack but realistically you're not always going to be able to sit there and auto half the time in a proper game. Trist Q lasts for 7 seconds and gives 10% more aspd. Why is Graves' better? As previously mentioned, Tristana can get slightly over 700 range with a better escape. Tristana is also pretty much completely effective at her max range where as Graves needs to be up close to use his Q's full potential which, against competent players, isn't going to be his greatest interest all the time. People just don't position against Graves properly. Take into account he has a dash and just stay as far as your champion allows. Granted yes he is quite durable with his passive so him getting in your face during laning is quite plausible. Him getting in your face in a team fight though should be much less free. With pd and his e active he easily reaches 2.0-2.5 attacks per second. In the 4 seconds his e is active he attacks 8-10 times, lowering the cd on his e to 2-0 seconds after e wears off. So yes, he can keep e up permanently or near-permenantly. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 24 2011 06:26 Phrost wrote: Are you saying that his auto attack damage output is anywhere in the realm of vayne, kogmaw, or even tristana? You're just exaggerating to make a really bad point. Graves is a lot more durable ranged character, that can take advantage of that durability and get in close and deal damage. His numbers on his ult might be a little high, but nothing else seems overly strong in its own right. Not that it's as good for him, but it's good enough that, when complimented with his burst, utility and mobility, it makes him really good. There are two types of "jack of all trades" characters: 1) You have a lot of meh parts and it sucks overall. 2) You have a lot of pretty good parts and it becomes really fucking strong. Graves has a lot of pretty good parts. His burst isn't the highest, his autos aren't the strongest, his utility isn't the most, and his mobility isn't the highest. But, all of them are pretty high ranking as far as they go, and it makes him really good all around. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 24 2011 07:05 JackDino wrote: The second E wears off there's actually a 4second cd left on it, assuming 2.5 aspd with the buff up. How? the cd starts as soon as you activate the skill right? So essentially the downtime is 10 seconds if u don't attack at all. Assuming 2.5 asp Over 4 seconds that's 10 attcks so cd goes from 14 to 4. Now those 4 seconds pass when e is still up. You can try testing it if you have graves. Ofc this assumes you're attacking the whole time and you have no cdr | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On October 24 2011 06:23 Cixah wrote: Graves has 1 option vs Cait in lane. Push the lane harder than she does. If you are any kind of smart with traps as cait its practicly a free kill as you have almost 200 range on him. Play agressive recieve money. he has another option: farm and wait for gank or mid game to roam if gank comes and cait or support gets cc'd its hurr durr burst insta dead | ||
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Maedi
United States477 Posts
On October 24 2011 07:15 travis wrote: he has another option: farm and wait for gank or mid game to roam if gank comes and cait or support gets cc'd its hurr durr burst insta dead That's one of my biggest qualms with him, he's such a good gank-assistant. He can initiate the fight really fast with dash->burst->shroud behind them. Or open with shroud for better initiations from the jungler. His kit is just strong.  | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
TL Scy on Rainman's and Chaox's stream Loci is streaming Rhazelle is streaming | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 24 2011 08:57 HazMat wrote: Wouldn't consider ScY a tl'er. Rhazelle isn't a tler. I think he's mixing her up with Rhav. As far as Graves goes I dunno I've noticed from being on the receiving end that the shroud doesn't seem altogether very effective. Sure it adds to his burst combo and slows a little, but the blind only seems to start to kick in by the time I'm already leaving the affected area and then the effect disappears. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 24 2011 08:54 Abenson wrote: Current TL'ers on stream/streaming atm: TL Scy on Rainman's and Chaox's stream Loci is streaming Rhazelle is streaming Rhazelle is a Liquider? | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 24 2011 07:00 Ryuu314 wrote: With pd and his e active he easily reaches 2.0-2.5 attacks per second. In the 4 seconds his e is active he attacks 8-10 times, lowering the cd on his e to 2-0 seconds after e wears off. So yes, he can keep e up permanently or near-permenantly. Are you seriously disregarding the part where he is the ranged carry and 5 people can target him when he has 550 range? Graves is fantastic against bad people. He's not so tanky with his passive that he magically can't be focused with his supremely average range. Why let a Graves sit there auto attacking is the whole point that makes his E not perma-steroid. | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 24 2011 09:01 ibreakurface wrote: Hello, i think I remember a thread where everyone was giving codes to eachother but i couldnt find it. Any EU players have a Cait code I could use for my friend on the US server? I have one that I used for my Us account so anyone from euro can PM me and ill give them the code, 1st to message me gets it. Cait codes don't work on EU and weren't distributed in EU. And you don't say what you offer in return anyway lol. Also, HSGG says on stream it's worth dropping some APen Reds for AS, maybe even on the Quints. Hm. Thoughts? Not getting AD seems a waste since Q has 0.6 scaling, E has 0.5 or 1.0 scaling and R gives a lot of free AD. | ||
Flicky
England2670 Posts
On October 24 2011 09:01 ibreakurface wrote: Hello, i think I remember a thread where everyone was giving codes to eachother but i couldnt find it. Any EU players have a Cait code I could use for my friend on the US server? I have one that I used for my Us account so anyone from euro can PM me and ill give them the code, 1st to message me gets it. The code doesn't work on Europe so that would be a shitty deal. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
How do you 1v2 as Chogath in top lane? (last time i was up against Caitlyn/Sona in a none jungle team. i died 5 times in lane) Where can i find the basics to jungling? i really think its fun albeit its my 2nd worst role | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On October 24 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote: Where can i find the basics to jungling? i really think its fun albeit its my 2nd worst role http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=4307 Maybe. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
my bad? EDIT: Can I take the position of #1 shitposter now? | ||
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