EPT[Patch 1.0.0.125: Riven] General Discussion - Page 73
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Juicyfruit
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Requizen
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mr_tolkien
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Requizen
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On September 20 2011 06:44 mr_tolkien wrote: What do you answer to a guy telling you that Madred's Bloodrazor is the worst possible object on any AD carry, especially Kog Maw, and being very very sure about that ? Ignore function. That will have to suffice until they create a device that lets you punch a dude through the internet. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:46 Requizen wrote: Ignore function. That will have to suffice until they create a device that lets you punch a dude through the internet. I know him IRL in fact, and he thinks he is awesome at LoL and can't hear anything against his word :/ | ||
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Alaric
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:37 57 Corvette wrote: Sigh, now I know why people expect me to be a total ass when I play Xin.- Only now? I swear Xin is a magnet for idiots. Tryn comes a fairly close second, although Tryns usually just troll you trying to get 1v1s, Xins are kind of indiscriminate about who they troll (usually their own team just as often). Having done tribunal for a while, Xin Zhao's come up really disproportionately compared to other champions, and usually it's way over the line. Surprisingly Ashe comes up pretty frequently too although it is really rare I run across a trolling Ashe in game... probably a lowbie thing. | ||
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zalz
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On September 20 2011 06:44 mr_tolkien wrote: What do you answer to a guy telling you that Madred's Bloodrazor is the worst possible object on any AD carry, especially Kog Maw, and being very very sure about that ? Madred is a very poor item for AD champs. There are very few champs that can make use of it because you: 1) Need to have magic pen to make the 4% damage worthwhile. It's magic damage. A lot of people seem to think for some reason it's true damage or whatever. It's plain simple magic damage. 4% mitigated down by whatever magic resistance a player has. 2) The champ needs magic pen and atackspeed to get the most out of it. This is a pretty rare combination. Some champions that can get away with it for example are Teemo, Warwick and Kog'maw. But even on them the item seems to be very expensive whilst providing some very strange stats. For example you are paying gold for the AD on the madred, but when you want to work with the madred you need magic pen. It provides 2 things of wich only half you can truly use. If you just want the 4% then you are overpaying, if you use the AD then there are better items. Imo bloodrazor is one of the worst items in the game. Perhaps this is compounded by the fact that i can't play atackspeed champions very well but i feel that even if i could play them well, the bloodrazor would be a bad item. I recall someone doing the math on it and proving that it's a rather poor item. Ill try and see if i can find it. But all in all, bloodrazor is imo a rather poor item that you should rarely build and certainly never on an AD build. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:43 barbsq wrote: amusingly enough, i dont actually have a windows key on the left side of my keyboard, kus steelseries is aware of how fucking retarded it is to put one there (rage from too many accidental windows key hits in game)My keyboard has a windows button in the standard placement but also has a switch on the top of my keyboard to disable windows key during games Edit: On September 20 2011 03:45 barbsq wrote: aww yeah, this man knows what he's talking about hi5 for having the same mouse Also Eww lrn2G500 ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HoNxGz0wL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) | ||
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-Zoda-
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It's maybe not always a great item, but situationally it saves your ass. | ||
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Two_DoWn
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Blitzkrieg0
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Basically if you open IE, every other damage item you make increases your damage by even more than it would normally...If you're focusing on madreds, you'd need to build a void staff to get anymore gains on your madreds proc which would be silly on pretty much every ad champion besides kog maw. Kog Maw is much better suited to build IE anyways since then you deal magic damage along with physical damage. | ||
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spinesheath
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On September 20 2011 06:44 mr_tolkien wrote: What do you answer to a guy telling you that Madred's Bloodrazor is the worst possible object on any AD carry, especially Kog Maw, and being very very sure about that ? It is good on Kog - assuming you actually plan to get a Void Staff later on. Wit's End should come first though. It is bad on Ashe, Cait, Ez, Urgot, Sivir simply because of a lack of synergy. If your enemies stack HP and have (relatively) low MRes then it becomes better on EVERYONE who can also make use of the other stats and autoattacks a lot. Which kinda fits all ranged ADs. So it's situational on those champs. It's pretty much never worth rushing Bloodrazor. It isn't half as good on WW as people (still) think. On September 20 2011 07:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Kog Maw is much better suited to build IE anyways since then you deal magic damage along with physical damage. And how is that good? If you split your damage, you lose out on multiplicative gains. If you focus on one type, your enemies can build against you and JUST YOU. But when an enemy is simply stacking say armor, you just get your magic damage dealers to dump their stuff on them. You want to specialize single champions on your team, but keep variation for your team as a whole. Unless your plan is to 1v5. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The madred's proc costs about 1000 gold assuming you can make use of the ad, aspd, and armor. It is cost effective technically (unless everybody on their team isn't building hitpoints), but it's problem is that it doesn't give multiplicative gains like you'd see from building IE. Basically if you open IE, every other damage item you make increases your damage by even more than it would normally...If you're focusing on madreds, you'd need to build a void staff to get anymore gains on your madreds proc which would be silly on pretty much every ad champion besides kog maw. Kog Maw is much better suited to build IE anyways since then you deal magic damage along with physical damage. The moral of the story is that you shouldn't rush Bloodrazor, consider it as a later item Edit: Ninja'd! On September 20 2011 07:33 spinesheath wrote: It's pretty much never worth rushing Bloodrazor. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 03:43 UniversalSnip wrote: the correct PTT key ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/UniversalSnip/ptt.jpg) agree with this except i use the one closer towards me | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
Since we love appealing to authority on these boards: Chaox streamed a kog BR game last week and was bitching about how his damage felt so much lower than if he had gone IE, especially since he finished it at like 16 minutes(so nobody had high hp yet, so IE would've netted more damage). I really don't like the Wit's End/Malady build but I guess if you go that route BR is a great last item. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
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On September 20 2011 07:33 spinesheath wrote: It is good on Kog - assuming you actually plan to get a Void Staff later on. Wit's End should come first though. It is bad on Ashe, Cait, Ez, Urgot, Sivir simply because of a lack of synergy. If your enemies stack HP and have (relatively) low MRes then it becomes better on EVERYONE who can also make use of the other stats and autoattacks a lot. Which kinda fits all ranged ADs. So it's situational on those champs. It's pretty much never worth rushing Bloodrazor. It isn't half as good on WW as people (still) think. And how is that good? If you split your damage, you lose out on multiplicative gains. If you focus on one type, your enemies can build against you and JUST YOU. But when an enemy is simply stacking say armor, you just get your magic damage dealers to dump their stuff on them. You want to specialize single champions on your team, but keep variation for your team as a whole. Unless your plan is to 1v5. Because Kog Maw W doesn't get any gains from building razors (besides the aspd). They just do the same thing so they kinda work together in that if you build a razor and a void staff you do a shit ton of magic damage. If you want to go that route it'd probably be more effective to just build straight AP via deathcap though considering kog has other skills with AP ratios. However, you can do a normal ad build and be just as effective, except you also have this extra magic damage that has synergy with any aspd you happen to build. You're specializing in physical damage, but you still do a ton of magic damage just because of your kit basically. | ||
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arnath
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Ryuu314
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On September 20 2011 08:07 arnath wrote: I think the argument for Bloodrazor on Kogmaw is that a) he needs attack speed and b) none of his skills scale with AD. He doesn't really NEED high AD to deal damage, he just needs to hit fast enough that his W is doing a lot of damage and Bloodrazor gives you a good mix of damage and attack speed. Well, now his ulti scales with AD, so there's even less of a reason to go bloodrazor. besides, in teamfights you really shouldn't be using Q and E more than once if at all anyways | ||
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