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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 20:12:26
September 17 2011 20:10 GMT
#1141
On September 18 2011 05:02 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:59 spinesheath wrote:
A big part in the whole Wriggle's thing is also the ability to push a lane quickly to apply pressure whenever you can/have to.

Vayne is the only ranged AD who can't already aoe a lane, tbh.

Ezreal. Cait goes oom incredibly quickly if she spams Q on minions. Hitting more than 3 minions with Volley requires an unholy amount of effort and Volley is also heavy on your manapool. Sometimes you want to push without jumping forward as Trist. Bot lane Kog typically doesn't put a lot of points in E. There's a ton of cases where a Wriggle's lets you push a lot better.
Urgot. Not that I would go Wriggle's on that guy though lol.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 17 2011 20:18 GMT
#1142
On September 18 2011 04:43 daemir wrote:
you wouldn't count nasus leesin irelia to that group gtr?


errr
i mean they're strong but lee sin will be banned in every game
and nasus and irelia are definitely counterable

there's just nothing you can do to cho'gath or singed to push them out of lane at a certain point. yorick is the sustain god. garen and panth beat most bruisers and only struggle with each other. so those are my "uncounterable" picks
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 17 2011 20:22 GMT
#1143
every single person you mentioned outside of Pantheon beats Pantheon pretty damn solidly.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
September 17 2011 20:24 GMT
#1144
I don't know about Singed, he is a maniac later on, but if you have enough jungler presence pre 6 you should be able to keep him manageable.

You obviously got more experience so can you tell what stops Nasus from just afk farming his Q up?

Well, let's see in this next game, singed vs nasus.

Have to say I was surprised the latest patch didn't have any Lee Singer nerfs though.
Bona Fide
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
September 17 2011 20:38 GMT
#1145
On September 18 2011 05:24 daemir wrote:
I don't know about Singed, he is a maniac later on, but if you have enough jungler presence pre 6 you should be able to keep him manageable.

You obviously got more experience so can you tell what stops Nasus from just afk farming his Q up?

Well, let's see in this next game, singed vs nasus.

Have to say I was surprised the latest patch didn't have any Lee Singer nerfs though.
All Singed needs is 1325 gold (Catalyst) and then he can quickly snowball into that level of being unkillable. So easy to farm with Q and the Cata passive means any harass is quickly erased when you level.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2011 20:40 GMT
#1146
Im still hella confused why singed keeps getting buffs. I can think of literally no champs less deserving.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 17 2011 20:43 GMT
#1147
On September 18 2011 05:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im still hella confused why singed keeps getting buffs. I can think of literally no champs less deserving.

"Keeps"?

He hasn't been touched since the Ult change, which was arguably more of a sidegrade than a buff.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 17 2011 20:48 GMT
#1148
range change on fling and autoattack
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 17 2011 20:50 GMT
#1149
On September 18 2011 05:48 Navi wrote:
range change on fling and autoattack

I meant other than this last patch. It's been a long time since Singed got a change.
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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
September 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#1150
On September 18 2011 04:40 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:15 billy5000 wrote:
Can anybody list some champions who cannot be easily countered at top solo?


unfortunately, teemo is in the game, so every champ can be countered
fortunately, champs that are hurt LEAST by teemo on the opposite team are
cho'gath
caitlyn
ashe
karthus
janna
kennen

and of course, each of these has their own weakness as well

in the current meta, the "my team will bitch at me if i don't take a bruiser" meta, your best bets are
singed
pantheon
cho'gath
garen
yorick


lol having played against teemo was the very reason why i asked in the first place
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#1151
Why does teemo counter everybody top in the first place? Is it because his early game is so strong because of poison or because he can push freely with mushrooms?
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OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
September 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#1152
On September 18 2011 06:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Why does teemo counter everybody top in the first place? Is it because his early game is so strong because of poison or because he can push freely with mushrooms?


Blind + poison
Against melee characters he can just stay at range and eat away at your health with poison. He's always faster with w as well.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2011 21:29 GMT
#1153
On September 18 2011 05:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im still hella confused why singed keeps getting buffs. I can think of literally no champs less deserving.

"Keeps"?

He hasn't been touched since the Ult change, which was arguably more of a sidegrade than a buff.

IMO the ult change was a huge buff. Creeps already did more damage to towers than singed did, even with the bonus ad. He trades negligible tower damage for invincibility in the laning phase and mid game? Sign me up.

The only real way to deal with singed is to throw cc at him so he cant do his job as well. CC reduction makes this a lot harder to do.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
September 17 2011 21:32 GMT
#1154
Singed got bonus AD and attack speed. He knocked down towers really fast. I liked the old Singed ult better. Definitely a sidegrade.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 17 2011 21:34 GMT
#1155
On September 18 2011 05:02 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:59 spinesheath wrote:
A big part in the whole Wriggle's thing is also the ability to push a lane quickly to apply pressure whenever you can/have to.

Vayne is the only ranged AD who can't already aoe a lane, tbh.

Which is ok when you aren't being opposed. With wriggles, it's more likely that you'll be at full health when you want to push and you can easily take some harass while doing it and still go to your next objective without having uselessly low health. Like if you're in a lane that you aren't perpetually pushing or dominating, and your jungler + mid just killed their mid and they want to dragon, then having wriggles helps you aggressively push your lane to go dragon, and also means you'll have full health at the end of dragon, so you don't miss a beat afterwards. If you're at 75% health when they call for it and you'll take harass damage by aggressively pushing, and you won't lifesteal your health back while dragoning, that could be a problem.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2011 21:36 GMT
#1156
As an off topic thought, how is this ranked thing working? Im fine with them taking down the mode so they can adjust wins and losses properly, but how does adding 15 elo to everyone actually solve anything? It just makes everyone 15 points higher and still playing with the same crappy people.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:39:42
September 17 2011 21:39 GMT
#1157
On September 18 2011 06:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
As an off topic thought, how is this ranked thing working? Im fine with them taking down the mode so they can adjust wins and losses properly, but how does adding 15 elo to everyone actually solve anything? It just makes everyone 15 points higher and still playing with the same crappy people.



they apparently have a huge problem with average elo being 1185 instead of being 1200, it of course doesnt change anything regarding matchmaking, this is why i find it quite stupid to take the whole ranked thing down.
Unless there is some problem they didnt tell us about.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 17 2011 21:42 GMT
#1158
LoL so boring atm. I never thought I'd say it but I miss solo queue.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
September 17 2011 21:45 GMT
#1159
Uh, weren't they also planning on resetting the win/losses with this downtime for ranked like they were supposed to?
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 17 2011 21:49 GMT
#1160
On September 18 2011 06:45 BlackPaladin wrote:
Uh, weren't they also planning on resetting the win/losses with this downtime for ranked like they were supposed to?

yeah i'm surprised nobody's mentioning that part lol
i wonder if that implies that accel elo will be reset as well
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