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On September 18 2011 05:02 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 04:59 spinesheath wrote:
A big part in the whole Wriggle's thing is also the ability to push a lane quickly to apply pressure whenever you can/have to. Vayne is the only ranged AD who can't already aoe a lane, tbh.
Ezreal. Cait goes oom incredibly quickly if she spams Q on minions. Hitting more than 3 minions with Volley requires an unholy amount of effort and Volley is also heavy on your manapool. Sometimes you want to push without jumping forward as Trist. Bot lane Kog typically doesn't put a lot of points in E. There's a ton of cases where a Wriggle's lets you push a lot better.
Urgot. Not that I would go Wriggle's on that guy though lol.
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On September 18 2011 04:43 daemir wrote:
you wouldn't count nasus leesin irelia to that group gtr?
errr
i mean they're strong but lee sin will be banned in every game
and nasus and irelia are definitely counterable
there's just nothing you can do to cho'gath or singed to push them out of lane at a certain point. yorick is the sustain god. garen and panth beat most bruisers and only struggle with each other. so those are my "uncounterable" picks
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every single person you mentioned outside of Pantheon beats Pantheon pretty damn solidly.
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I don't know about Singed, he is a maniac later on, but if you have enough jungler presence pre 6 you should be able to keep him manageable.
You obviously got more experience so can you tell what stops Nasus from just afk farming his Q up?
Well, let's see in this next game, singed vs nasus.
Have to say I was surprised the latest patch didn't have any Lee Singer nerfs though.
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On September 18 2011 05:24 daemir wrote:
I don't know about Singed, he is a maniac later on, but if you have enough jungler presence pre 6 you should be able to keep him manageable.
You obviously got more experience so can you tell what stops Nasus from just afk farming his Q up?
Well, let's see in this next game, singed vs nasus.
Have to say I was surprised the latest patch didn't have any Lee Singer nerfs though. All Singed needs is 1325 gold (Catalyst) and then he can quickly snowball into that level of being unkillable. So easy to farm with Q and the Cata passive means any harass is quickly erased when you level.
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Im still hella confused why singed keeps getting buffs. I can think of literally no champs less deserving.
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On September 18 2011 05:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im still hella confused why singed keeps getting buffs. I can think of literally no champs less deserving.
"Keeps"?
He hasn't been touched since the Ult change, which was arguably more of a sidegrade than a buff.
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range change on fling and autoattack
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On September 18 2011 05:48 Navi wrote:
range change on fling and autoattack
I meant other than this last patch. It's been a long time since Singed got a change.
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On September 18 2011 04:40 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 04:15 billy5000 wrote:
Can anybody list some champions who cannot be easily countered at top solo? unfortunately, teemo is in the game, so every champ can be countered fortunately, champs that are hurt LEAST by teemo on the opposite team are cho'gath caitlyn ashe karthus janna kennen and of course, each of these has their own weakness as well in the current meta, the "my team will bitch at me if i don't take a bruiser" meta, your best bets are singed pantheon cho'gath garen yorick
lol having played against teemo was the very reason why i asked in the first place
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Why does teemo counter everybody top in the first place? Is it because his early game is so strong because of poison or because he can push freely with mushrooms?
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On September 18 2011 06:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Why does teemo counter everybody top in the first place? Is it because his early game is so strong because of poison or because he can push freely with mushrooms?
Blind + poison
Against melee characters he can just stay at range and eat away at your health with poison. He's always faster with w as well.
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On September 18 2011 05:43 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 05:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im still hella confused why singed keeps getting buffs. I can think of literally no champs less deserving. "Keeps"? He hasn't been touched since the Ult change, which was arguably more of a sidegrade than a buff.
IMO the ult change was a huge buff. Creeps already did more damage to towers than singed did, even with the bonus ad. He trades negligible tower damage for invincibility in the laning phase and mid game? Sign me up.
The only real way to deal with singed is to throw cc at him so he cant do his job as well. CC reduction makes this a lot harder to do.
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Singed got bonus AD and attack speed. He knocked down towers really fast. I liked the old Singed ult better. Definitely a sidegrade.
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On September 18 2011 05:02 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 04:59 spinesheath wrote:
A big part in the whole Wriggle's thing is also the ability to push a lane quickly to apply pressure whenever you can/have to. Vayne is the only ranged AD who can't already aoe a lane, tbh.
Which is ok when you aren't being opposed. With wriggles, it's more likely that you'll be at full health when you want to push and you can easily take some harass while doing it and still go to your next objective without having uselessly low health. Like if you're in a lane that you aren't perpetually pushing or dominating, and your jungler + mid just killed their mid and they want to dragon, then having wriggles helps you aggressively push your lane to go dragon, and also means you'll have full health at the end of dragon, so you don't miss a beat afterwards. If you're at 75% health when they call for it and you'll take harass damage by aggressively pushing, and you won't lifesteal your health back while dragoning, that could be a problem.
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As an off topic thought, how is this ranked thing working? Im fine with them taking down the mode so they can adjust wins and losses properly, but how does adding 15 elo to everyone actually solve anything? It just makes everyone 15 points higher and still playing with the same crappy people.
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On September 18 2011 06:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
As an off topic thought, how is this ranked thing working? Im fine with them taking down the mode so they can adjust wins and losses properly, but how does adding 15 elo to everyone actually solve anything? It just makes everyone 15 points higher and still playing with the same crappy people.
they apparently have a huge problem with average elo being 1185 instead of being 1200, it of course doesnt change anything regarding matchmaking, this is why i find it quite stupid to take the whole ranked thing down.
Unless there is some problem they didnt tell us about.
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LoL so boring atm. I never thought I'd say it but I miss solo queue.
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Uh, weren't they also planning on resetting the win/losses with this downtime for ranked like they were supposed to?
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On September 18 2011 06:45 BlackPaladin wrote:
Uh, weren't they also planning on resetting the win/losses with this downtime for ranked like they were supposed to?
yeah i'm surprised nobody's mentioning that part lol
i wonder if that implies that accel elo will be reset as well
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