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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
October 04 2011 01:29 GMT
#4101
Holy cow Malphite is a fun tank to play!
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
October 04 2011 01:29 GMT
#4102
Revolver is TERRIBLE on cho, his cooldowns are huge and he has sustain already.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 04 2011 01:31 GMT
#4103
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=how to spell merical right
You will notice the world "Miracle"
dictionary.com also works

Also, go to:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=51
Scroll down.
Click "Show all"
You will find a [Champion] Chogath thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167312
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
October 04 2011 01:31 GMT
#4104
Cho's passive is already a significant sustain tool, you should be building towards being as tanky as possible for teamfights. So I'd go a catalyst build into whatever situational tank items I need.

I have no idea what a Mericle is.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
October 04 2011 01:31 GMT
#4105
On October 04 2011 08:24 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 08:22 zodde wrote:
You're not building it to be even safer from being chased down (not really a weakness of singed...). You're building it so that you can run around ppl and they have even less of a chance to kill you/get away/remain sane.

Indeed. Also makes fling have a substantial slow component making escaping from getting thrown into a bad position even more impossible.

On the other hand, catalyst is a much nicer early game item, especially for singed, than giant's belt.


Maybe I suck at farming but I felt that going cata->rylais->def was a lot slower than cata->rod->def, and felt too squishy while building it. Rushing rylais was just horrible.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
October 04 2011 01:38 GMT
#4106
On October 04 2011 10:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:23 STS17 wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:19 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 04 2011 09:56 BlackMagister wrote:
Do people hate Yorick's design or his balance? I've only played vs him in Dominion and he is a beast there.


design. worst designed champion in the game... it's not even close. makes all star hits like vlad seem elegant and polished.


Why is his design so bad?

Because his kit revolves around very spammable spells that give +mspd, slow, and sustain. Either the damage numbers are low and he does no damage and/or the mana costs are high and he goes oom instantly OR the damage numbers are high and he wears you down super fast and/or the mana costs are low and he spams you out of lane while staying full hp.

IMO, they should just completely remake his E. Make it do something other than sustain. The whole idea of a spammy champ that constantly summons shit is cool, just not when it also makes him immovable in lane. It's almost as bad as pre-nerf Landyr. They should make it deal damage and drain mana or smth rather than dealing damage and healing Yorick. It's the Omen of Famine so making it drain mana so you "starve" your opponent of energy would be cool. Either way, E's design atm is just quite broken.


I don't think that Riot would ever make Yorick's E drain mana. They reworked Wit's End so it wouldn't have the same effect after all >_>
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 04 2011 01:41 GMT
#4107
On October 04 2011 10:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
Because his kit revolves around very spammable spells that give +mspd, slow, and sustain. Either the damage numbers are low and he does no damage and/or the mana costs are high and he goes oom instantly OR the damage numbers are high and he wears you down super fast and/or the mana costs are low and he spams you out of lane while staying full hp.

I believe this one is possible to balance if you say "fuck letting him lane" and balance around him being a jungler.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 04 2011 01:45 GMT
#4108
On October 04 2011 10:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
Because his kit revolves around very spammable spells that give +mspd, slow, and sustain. Either the damage numbers are low and he does no damage and/or the mana costs are high and he goes oom instantly OR the damage numbers are high and he wears you down super fast and/or the mana costs are low and he spams you out of lane while staying full hp.

I believe this one is possible to balance if you say "fuck letting him lane" and balance around him being a jungler.

great idea, cause there are so many junglers who are balanced around jungling who don't end up being OP as balls in top lane.

there's uhhh...

let's see...

mmm...

...


..
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 04 2011 01:49 GMT
#4109
Until Guinsoo's jungle changes, nearly all champions designed for the jungle will inherently be powerful in lane as a result (exceptions apply of course). I touched on it briefly when I talked about the problem with Wriggles and the nature of jungling.

@Mogwai: Skarner and Wukong aren't so bad in lane, but arguably this is more due to their lackluster stats until their buffs. You could probably argue that Olaf and Rammus fare better in the jungle due to their kits.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
October 04 2011 02:00 GMT
#4110
Amumu wins the shitty lane and strong jungler award!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 04 2011 02:02 GMT
#4111
On October 04 2011 11:00 mrgerry wrote:
Amumu wins the shitty lane and strong jungler award!

Except if your name is Ootah :o
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 04 2011 02:03 GMT
#4112
lane mumu very stronk at certain matchups

i seen lane rammus FB lane vlad, #1 IMO

olaf real strong in top lane cause brees and spud say so

wukong can't jungle or lane, just real shitty champ unfortunately.

who's skarner?
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 04 2011 02:07 GMT
#4113
On October 04 2011 10:23 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:19 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 04 2011 09:56 BlackMagister wrote:
Do people hate Yorick's design or his balance? I've only played vs him in Dominion and he is a beast there.


design. worst designed champion in the game... it's not even close. makes all star hits like vlad seem elegant and polished.


Why is his design so bad?


His ghouls provide absolutely no gameplay. They're just miserable to play against, he casts a spell and the damn ghoul chases you around. You either run him out of mana or you don't, you're too busy CSing while being chased to actually fight HIM so there's no interaction. It's also stupidly repetitive. In teamfights you'd be crazy to attack them so there's no gameplay there either. His ult is lame and unsatisfying. He has tranfusion. Putting transfusion in the game once was a mistake, putting it in twice and giving it to a tanky dps is just beyond my ability to comprehend.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 04 2011 02:07 GMT
#4114
Well, apparently they meant for skarner to be a jungle but fucked his numbers over right before release because he was too fast. Unfortunately, his kit REALLY sucks for a jungle.

And the #1 most annoying thing about yorick are his ghouls. They either need to do like 1 damage per hit or stop prioritizing champions in favor of minions. As is those things just hit way to hard in lane, and you cant kill them cuz they give no gold, are gonna spawn again in 3 seconds, and fuck up your last hitting.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
October 04 2011 02:10 GMT
#4115
Yea I guess you're right, Amumu is a strong counterpick to those pesky Evelynn solos. Though if for some reason you are left alone as amumu in a lane his AP ratios are pretty cute. 1-1 ratio on aoe ult makes sense.

Olaf needs his double damage axe back.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
October 04 2011 02:12 GMT
#4116
On October 04 2011 10:45 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:41 TheYango wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
Because his kit revolves around very spammable spells that give +mspd, slow, and sustain. Either the damage numbers are low and he does no damage and/or the mana costs are high and he goes oom instantly OR the damage numbers are high and he wears you down super fast and/or the mana costs are low and he spams you out of lane while staying full hp.

I believe this one is possible to balance if you say "fuck letting him lane" and balance around him being a jungler.

great idea, cause there are so many junglers who are balanced around jungling who don't end up being OP as balls in top lane.

there's uhhh...

let's see...

mmm...

...


..

Fiddlesticks? At least, I've never seen a good lane fiddle.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 02:24:44
October 04 2011 02:20 GMT
#4117
On October 04 2011 10:49 MoonBear wrote:
Until Guinsoo's jungle changes, nearly all champions designed for the jungle will inherently be powerful in lane as a result (exceptions apply of course). I touched on it briefly when I talked about the problem with Wriggles and the nature of jungling.

No one has yet convinced me that Wriggle's is such an enormous improvement over 3xDBlade that it's absolutely a problem in lane.

They're situationally better than one another, but they're close enough that I don't think you can really say laners are significantly stronger with Wriggle's than they would otherwise be.

On October 04 2011 11:03 Mogwai wrote:
olaf real strong in top lane cause brees and spud say so

See, I was going to give examples like Nocturne or Olaf, except for every damn jungler, there's always someone on TL championing them top lane.

On October 04 2011 11:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
Well, apparently they meant for skarner to be a jungle but fucked his numbers over right before release because he was too fast. Unfortunately, his kit REALLY sucks for a jungle.

It makes no sense to me why they would consider Skarner being fast a problem, when Phoenix Udyr is probably the most directly comparable jungler, and also happens to be the fastest or 2nd-fastest commonly picked jungler right now.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 02:29:18
October 04 2011 02:28 GMT
#4118
So Maokai is such a fucking boss. Get Rod of Ages and build straight tank is just really strong.

I'm glad that he's being played some in jungle but honestly I think he can probably solo top pretty well against certain match ups. He has a little bit of sustain plus that E is just so fucking good in lane.

I think I might start playing him more over Cho'Gath for an AP bruiser guy.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 04 2011 02:30 GMT
#4119
On October 04 2011 11:28 overt wrote:
So Maokai is such a fucking boss. Get Rod of Ages and build straight tank is just really strong.

I'm glad that he's being played some in jungle but honestly I think he can probably solo top pretty well against certain match ups. He has a little bit of sustain plus that E is just so fucking good in lane.

I think I might start playing him more over Cho'Gath for an AP bruiser guy.


chu8 got to #1 season 1 by playing solo mid maokai, roa triforce #1 build
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 02:33:04
October 04 2011 02:30 GMT
#4120
On October 04 2011 11:28 overt wrote:
So Maokai is such a fucking boss. Get Rod of Ages and build straight tank is just really strong.

I'm glad that he's being played some in jungle but honestly I think he can probably solo top pretty well against certain match ups. He has a little bit of sustain plus that E is just so fucking good in lane.

I think I might start playing him more over Cho'Gath for an AP bruiser guy.

AP Bruiser Cho'gath is so last year.

Tank->Wit's End Cho is where it's at.

EDIT: And playing Maokai top wastes the fact that Jungle Mao has one of the most brutal jungle ganks in the game.
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