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On September 15 2011 01:26 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:25 ptrpb wrote:
When they told me Vladimir was getting buffed I thought "oh so they're probably going to tweak his W or something" instead I receive a bug fix that was long over due.
I have to play Vladimir a bit more after this patch is done but I suspect he's still on the underpowered side of things. Its actually a pretty huge buff. In a 1v1 situation you cant run from vlad anymore if he (and he should) has rylais.
yeah this
vlad is already very strong with his 0second cooldown Q and rylai's slow. they're more than doubling the slow on rylai's for vlad's Q. fucking unbelievable amounts of kiting/chasing going to happen. if he shows up in your lane you die, period.
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On September 15 2011 01:32 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
Just a quick question while I'm at work - Do you still get only ~12-13 pts per win now, or is it like +33 pts as it was at the start of S1
Time to grind solo q tonight
I'm guessing they'd have to reset accelerated Elo. It would take way too long for everyone's Elo to spread out again otherwise.
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On September 15 2011 01:32 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
Just a quick question while I'm at work - Do you still get only ~12-13 pts per win now, or is it like +33 pts as it was at the start of S1
Time to grind solo q tonight
Wasn't there supposed to be preseason period between the s1 and s2?
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yeah, after patch its preseason and season 2 is when they got something new and shiny ready i think.
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"As we enter Preseason Two, we will be performing a graduated reset of the League of Legends ladder based on player performance in Ladder Season One. The vast majority of players (97%) will have their Elo reset to between 1100 and 1300 rating, with top and bottom performers falling anywhere between 906 and 1490 rating. Ladder gains made during Preseason Two will carry over into Season Two once it begins."
I'm guessing we're good to start laddering tonight
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And another thing- vlad really isnt an ap carry like annie or brand. He is a sustained damage carry like ryze or cass. The advantage that vlad has is he has an ultimate that makes everyone on his team better.
The real way to play vlad effectively would be to build a teamcomp around stretching fights out as long as possible to maximize his effectiveness. But people at low elo dont bother trying to make teamcomps, they just expect to pick any ap character and get annie like results.
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On September 15 2011 01:26 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:25 ptrpb wrote:
When they told me Vladimir was getting buffed I thought "oh so they're probably going to tweak his W or something" instead I receive a bug fix that was long over due.
I have to play Vladimir a bit more after this patch is done but I suspect he's still on the underpowered side of things. Its actually a pretty huge buff. In a 1v1 situation you cant run from vlad anymore if he (and he should) has rylais.
Doesn't help his early laning, which is his biggest problem IMO there's so many retarded strong laners these days and he get's raped by like almost all of them.
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Oh god back in the 1300s. Not alone at least huehue
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On September 15 2011 01:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
And another thing- vlad really isnt an ap carry like annie or brand. He is a sustained damage carry like ryze or cass. The advantage that vlad has is he has an ultimate that makes everyone on his team better.
The real way to play vlad effectively would be to build a teamcomp around stretching fights out as long as possible to maximize his effectiveness. But people at low elo dont bother trying to make teamcomps, they just expect to pick any ap character and get annie like results.
Well Vladimir doesn't really have a defined role anymore since the nerfs.. He used to be an AP carry but he doesn't really do carry amounts of damage anymore. He's become more of a support AP when you think about it.
Q - Low cd, damaging with a now full Rylai's slow
W - Makes Vlad untargetable, slows enemies, does some damage (pretty god damn good for LV1 teamfights)
E - AoE damage around Vlad, decent damage when at 4 stacks (stacks require lots of SpellVamp to maintain), reveals stealth sort of.
R - Increases everyone's damage output in a teamfight
The only visible thing I can see from the Vlad buff is that he's now a slow machine.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but Vlad can already do whatever he wants in lane once he gets a Revolver. This Rylai's thing is going to make him pretty strong 1v1.
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Baa?21247 Posts
Why should you build Rylais On Vladimir... Revolver Hat Boots all take precedence.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:57 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
And another thing- vlad really isnt an ap carry like annie or brand. He is a sustained damage carry like ryze or cass. The advantage that vlad has is he has an ultimate that makes everyone on his team better.
The real way to play vlad effectively would be to build a teamcomp around stretching fights out as long as possible to maximize his effectiveness. But people at low elo dont bother trying to make teamcomps, they just expect to pick any ap character and get annie like results. Well Vladimir doesn't really have a defined role anymore since the nerfs.. He used to be an AP carry but he doesn't really do carry amounts of damage anymore. He's become more of a support AP when you think about it. Q - Low cd, damaging with a now full Rylai's slow W - Makes Vlad untargetable, slows enemies, does some damage (pretty god damn good for LV1 teamfights) E - AoE damage around Vlad, decent damage when at 4 stacks (stacks require lots of SpellVamp to maintain), reveals stealth sort of. R - Increases everyone's damage output in a teamfight The only visible thing I can see from the Vlad buff is that he's now a slow machine.
His free gold passive will always place him in position of being able to carry as it makes items even more valuable on him, whereas a support will have a limited amount of gold and therefore not make the most use out of that broken passive.
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On September 15 2011 01:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Why should you build Rylais On Vladimir... Revolver Hat Boots all take precedence.
you probably are just forgetting the time before they nerfed his Q to not count as a single target spell for rylais. It's quite literally impossible to run from a Rylai's Vlad when his Q is a 35% slow.
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On September 15 2011 01:59 arnath wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but Vlad can already do whatever he wants in lane once he gets a Revolver. This Rylai's thing is going to make him pretty strong 1v1.
Not quite.
You need Spirit Visage + Revolver or WotA to actually get even returns on Tides of Blood. If you have only a revolver you're going to find that you'll still be running low on health if you want to make full use of ToB.
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Baa?21247 Posts
On September 15 2011 02:01 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Why should you build Rylais On Vladimir... Revolver Hat Boots all take precedence. you probably are just forgetting the time before they nerfed his Q to not count as a single target spell for rylais. It's quite literally impossible to run from a Rylai's Vlad when his Q is a 35% slow.
Revolver into Rylais then? Idk I feel lik I want the WotA early...
I'll try it later when servers are up I guess.
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On September 15 2011 02:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:01 Mogwai wrote:On September 15 2011 01:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Why should you build Rylais On Vladimir... Revolver Hat Boots all take precedence. you probably are just forgetting the time before they nerfed his Q to not count as a single target spell for rylais. It's quite literally impossible to run from a Rylai's Vlad when his Q is a 35% slow. Revolver into Rylais then? Idk I feel lik I want the WotA early... I'll try it later when servers are up I guess.
Can I join you later maybe? ;D
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On September 15 2011 02:03 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:59 arnath wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but Vlad can already do whatever he wants in lane once he gets a Revolver. This Rylai's thing is going to make him pretty strong 1v1. Not quite. You need Spirit Visage + Revolver or WotA to actually get even returns on Tides of Blood. If you have only a revolver you're going to find that you'll still be running low on health if you want to make full use of ToB.
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maybe, but you don't ONLY use E. seeing as Q has negligible cooldown you use that to return HP >__________>
honestly vlad gonna be real strong right now
>just start with your standard MS quints + boots + 21 util start so that you have the speed to run in, Q, and run out in lane
>use Q to primarily grab last hits and maintain HP, unless your opponent really oversteps
>play passively til 5 or 6
>crank up the harass at 7
>get your rylai's
>force everyone out of lane or force enemy jungler to gank you
>looool, vlad can't be ganked, press W
>go to other lanes, if you land a single Q they will not get away from you
>deathcap quickly because vlad farms like a motherfucker
>a single R that hits 3+ people on the other team = you win the game
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So this seems as good a place as any to discuss this:
Stream threads in the LoL subforum have reached the point where they are just clutter. There are 11 stream threads on the first two pages. Every few days it seems another one is created and by and large these threads have little to no activity. The only exceptions are the particularly high-rated people like Loci and Smash.
I would personally prefer to have stream threads moved to user streams, where every other stream thread resides (be it for BW, SC2, Chess, or Misc). A stream sub-subforum would also work, but this seems an unlikely implementation.
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i would be fine with just deleting most of the stream threads tbh
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On September 15 2011 02:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 02:01 Mogwai wrote:On September 15 2011 01:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Why should you build Rylais On Vladimir... Revolver Hat Boots all take precedence. you probably are just forgetting the time before they nerfed his Q to not count as a single target spell for rylais. It's quite literally impossible to run from a Rylai's Vlad when his Q is a 35% slow. Revolver into Rylais then? Idk I feel lik I want the WotA early... I'll try it later when servers are up I guess.
Id be half inclined to just skip revolver entirely. You are going to get it at about level 6 or 7, when you dont really even need the additional spellvamp cuz your q will be on short cd.
Shit I'm agreeing with guitar. I must be wrong.
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