[Patch 1.0.0.123: Skarner] General Discussion - Page 21

On August 11 2011 08:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
seriously about 70% of my total games played in normals are still probably shen, was about 85% pre-30 lol. i really enjoy the champion but i do not play him anymore, ever, because he's terrible

shen's early-game burst in lane is pretty strong, but mostly in the sense that he just frontloads a decent chunk of burst and can then back off. it's low-risk for a decent reward, because you're sure to outdamage them even if they shoot you a couple times. as far as consistent dps for ensuring a kill off his taunt, he's pretty weak and always has been

why they're concerned with his miniscule burst i have no idea. i guess they just figure it's scary because he's an energy champ and most comparable skills cost mana, but shit. shen's problem is that lategame he becomes completely insignificant, because every tank with similar control or similar beefiness also outputs a shitload more damage than shen. by nerfing his early-game burst they basically just removed all of his utility rather than just half. i suppose the nerf on tf/panth/other globals is a stealth buff to Shen, but he is still garbage tier

buffing his AP ratios makes zero sense at all. if you stack enough AP to make your one damaging spell a threat, all of a sudden you get rewarded with a quick death for taunting 4-5 of the enemy team in a good initiate. it's just split his role completely in two, he's either a really really shitty AP bruiser (pick gragas/rumble/vlad etc), or a really really shitty tank with one very short duration cc on a long cooldown and no additional threat (pick mumu/singed/udyr)

On August 11 2011 08:27 TheYango wrote:

Where are you stacking your boxes?

If you stack them close enough that they'll be able to attack red and the lizards they'll hit all of them, but the JitB attack range is not that long, and shorter than the leash range on the camp. If you stack them a bit away from the camp, and pull the red lizard to them, they'll only attack the red lizard.

On August 11 2011 07:24 LaNague wrote:




i tried it myself, if you stack boxes and lure a creep into them, the boxes attack anything in that mobcamp equally. Means if for example you start red, you need to stack like 9 boxes so 3 shoot the red lizard.

I dont know how you jungle shaco, but this makes 2 of 3 jungle routes of mine useless. The only jungle route not affected is "stack boxes at red and hope noone pops them and smite it and gank"
But even there i have to spend more mana than i should.

On August 11 2011 08:55 Shikyo wrote:
Try it first. The small lizards come too far out, the boxes will be in range of them

On August 11 2011 08:58 Phrost wrote:
If they buffed shen's ap ratios on his heal and his W shield by enough then he could end up like a tanky caster thing, which would be cool I guess.

On August 11 2011 09:01 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
there would need to be a significant buff. as it stands right now the base heal from attacking a vorpal'd target is 50 + 0.2ap. imagine the sort of AP you'd need to make it noticable

shen's heal is sort of useful in lane but not noticable whatsoever in team fights. it would be more useful if the people i lane with would notice that I q'd a full hp creep right next to them when they're missing hp, but hey

shen's shield is just useless. the problem with it is that beyond his 1.5second taunt, there is literally no reason to ever attack shen, ever. so what's a beefier shield gonna do? further encourage people not to attack him? he would need a complete overhaul for the shield to matter

On August 11 2011 10:13 exo6yte wrote:
I'd like it if there were more reward for using Feint. If it worked like Sivir or Nocturne's spell shield and gave you something for using it at the right time it'd be a lot more fun to use.

On August 11 2011 01:08 gtrsrs wrote:
how does skarner's ult interact with janna and gragas' ults and blitz hook?