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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 10 2011 23:32 GMT
#401
Trololol. I log out so my game doesnt glitch to play smurfs with neo, and now I got a 25 min q. T_T.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 10 2011 23:46 GMT
#402
i posted this in the pictures thread. i'm dumb, that's not where posts like this go. anyway i was musing about shen and their plans to buff his AP ratios


On August 11 2011 08:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
seriously about 70% of my total games played in normals are still probably shen, was about 85% pre-30 lol. i really enjoy the champion but i do not play him anymore, ever, because he's terrible

shen's early-game burst in lane is pretty strong, but mostly in the sense that he just frontloads a decent chunk of burst and can then back off. it's low-risk for a decent reward, because you're sure to outdamage them even if they shoot you a couple times. as far as consistent dps for ensuring a kill off his taunt, he's pretty weak and always has been

why they're concerned with his miniscule burst i have no idea. i guess they just figure it's scary because he's an energy champ and most comparable skills cost mana, but shit. shen's problem is that lategame he becomes completely insignificant, because every tank with similar control or similar beefiness also outputs a shitload more damage than shen. by nerfing his early-game burst they basically just removed all of his utility rather than just half. i suppose the nerf on tf/panth/other globals is a stealth buff to Shen, but he is still garbage tier

buffing his AP ratios makes zero sense at all. if you stack enough AP to make your one damaging spell a threat, all of a sudden you get rewarded with a quick death for taunting 4-5 of the enemy team in a good initiate. it's just split his role completely in two, he's either a really really shitty AP bruiser (pick gragas/rumble/vlad etc), or a really really shitty tank with one very short duration cc on a long cooldown and no additional threat (pick mumu/singed/udyr)

Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 10 2011 23:55 GMT
#403
On August 11 2011 08:27 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 07:24 LaNague wrote:
On August 11 2011 06:38 Brees wrote:
looks like the shaco having more bugs thing is just a load of bs, just saw some asian guy wreck house with shaco no problems jungling




i tried it myself, if you stack boxes and lure a creep into them, the boxes attack anything in that mobcamp equally. Means if for example you start red, you need to stack like 9 boxes so 3 shoot the red lizard.

I dont know how you jungle shaco, but this makes 2 of 3 jungle routes of mine useless. The only jungle route not affected is "stack boxes at red and hope noone pops them and smite it and gank"
But even there i have to spend more mana than i should.

Where are you stacking your boxes?

If you stack them close enough that they'll be able to attack red and the lizards they'll hit all of them, but the JitB attack range is not that long, and shorter than the leash range on the camp. If you stack them a bit away from the camp, and pull the red lizard to them, they'll only attack the red lizard.

Try it first. The small lizards come too far out, the boxes will be in range of them
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 10 2011 23:58 GMT
#404
If they buffed shen's ap ratios on his heal and his W shield by enough then he could end up like a tanky caster thing, which would be cool I guess.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 00:03:56
August 11 2011 00:01 GMT
#405
there would need to be a significant buff. as it stands right now the base heal from attacking a vorpal'd target is 50 + 0.2ap. imagine the sort of AP you'd need to make it noticable

shen's heal is sort of useful in lane but not noticable whatsoever in team fights. it would be more useful if the people i lane with would notice that I q'd a full hp creep right next to them when they're missing hp, but hey

shen's shield is just useless. the problem with it is that beyond his 1.5second taunt, there is literally no reason to ever attack shen, ever. so what's a beefier shield gonna do? further encourage people not to attack him? he would need a complete overhaul for the shield to matter
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 11 2011 00:18 GMT
#406
On August 11 2011 07:24 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 06:38 Brees wrote:
looks like the shaco having more bugs thing is just a load of bs, just saw some asian guy wreck house with shaco no problems jungling




i tried it myself, if you stack boxes and lure a creep into them, the boxes attack anything in that mobcamp equally. Means if for example you start red, you need to stack like 9 boxes so 3 shoot the red lizard.

I dont know how you jungle shaco, but this makes 2 of 3 jungle routes of mine useless. The only jungle route not affected is "stack boxes at red and hope noone pops them and smite it and gank"
But even there i have to spend more mana than i should.



all i know is he started at red, not sure after that. He did a lot of counter jungling/ganking so it wasnt really a route at all
Brees on in
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 11 2011 00:34 GMT
#407
1. People want more tanks.....
Female please!

2. Nerf male true tank (shen) into oblivion for no real reason

3. Make female "true tank."

4. Say they will turn male true tank into essentially tanky caster

5. ??????

6. Profit I think by increasing sales of new female true tank and "new" tanky caster??
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 01:03:43
August 11 2011 00:40 GMT
#408
On August 11 2011 08:55 Shikyo wrote:
Try it first. The small lizards come too far out, the boxes will be in range of them

How is that possible when boxes have 400 attack range and the small lizards have like 500?

EDIT: NM. That's box cast range. Attack range way longer.

On August 11 2011 08:58 Phrost wrote:
If they buffed shen's ap ratios on his heal and his W shield by enough then he could end up like a tanky caster thing, which would be cool I guess.

Having ratios on the heal has the awkward effect that if you pass the point where Vorpal Blade 1-shots minions, you get a drop in utility because you can't get a heal off the minions anymore when Q does too much damage.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 00:43:56
August 11 2011 00:43 GMT
#409
double post
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
August 11 2011 00:45 GMT
#410
Crispy just got a quadra kill as garen on dan dinh's stream! :3
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
August 11 2011 00:45 GMT
#411
lol, just missed Chrispy getting a quadra as Garen on Dan Dinh's stream. x_x
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 01:13:51
August 11 2011 00:45 GMT
#412
Shens taunt costs too much energy if they sorted his mobility out you can go warmogs atmas wits end if you want to damage like a boss.
EDIT: Dyrus on europe: "Skill level definitely higher here".

GG US. Enjoy your quadra kill with gunblade garen!
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
August 11 2011 01:13 GMT
#413
I'd like it if there were more reward for using Feint. If it worked like Sivir or Nocturne's spell shield and gave you something for using it at the right time it'd be a lot more fun to use.
What has four wheels and flies? Stephen Hawking on LSD!
LancerStarcraft
Profile Joined July 2010
United States235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 01:26:46
August 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#414
So what's everyone think of Skarner so far. Specifically how's everyone handling his jungle?

Pretty dicey so far for me. Here's what I've been running:

Cloth + 5 pots opening

Flash/Smite

0/21/9 Masteries

Armor Pen Marks
Flat Armor Seals
Attack Speed Blues
Flat Attack Damage Quints

Skill order

QEQWQR

R>Q>E>W

Like 3:55 clear, gets real dicey on blue, without a leash I seem to always be left with like 50 hp, but its pretty easy from there. Open to suggestions. I think i could shave a few sec off that time.

"Buy a ward. Stop a gank. Save a life."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 11 2011 01:18 GMT
#415
On August 11 2011 09:01 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
there would need to be a significant buff. as it stands right now the base heal from attacking a vorpal'd target is 50 + 0.2ap. imagine the sort of AP you'd need to make it noticable

shen's heal is sort of useful in lane but not noticable whatsoever in team fights. it would be more useful if the people i lane with would notice that I q'd a full hp creep right next to them when they're missing hp, but hey

shen's shield is just useless. the problem with it is that beyond his 1.5second taunt, there is literally no reason to ever attack shen, ever. so what's a beefier shield gonna do? further encourage people not to attack him? he would need a complete overhaul for the shield to matter


There are more problems with Shen's heal than just that. First, throwing it on a high health creep and auto-attacking for health pushes lanes. Second, as you level and skill up Q the damage you deal decreases the number of attacks you and your allies can get on a given marked minion before it dies, decreasing the healing. It's a pretty odd skill overall.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 11 2011 01:22 GMT
#416
On August 11 2011 10:13 exo6yte wrote:
I'd like it if there were more reward for using Feint. If it worked like Sivir or Nocturne's spell shield and gave you something for using it at the right time it'd be a lot more fun to use.


cough movement speed buff cough
Brees on in
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
August 11 2011 01:30 GMT
#417
this game is BROKEN
me and my ghetto friends waited 10 minutes for our god dam q to pop and it BROKE
:)
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 11 2011 01:36 GMT
#418
you need a jungle kog'maw to proceed, doesn't let anyone into normal games without one
Brees on in
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
August 11 2011 01:47 GMT
#419
DAMN that's why all my games without you didn't work
we had a jungle morg so i thought we were a OK but it didn't work out
:)
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
August 11 2011 01:49 GMT
#420
On August 11 2011 01:08 gtrsrs wrote:
how does skarner's ult interact with janna and gragas' ults and blitz hook?



I played a game earlier where Janna ult'd right as I ult'd on skarner, I got bounced away and she got dragged with me, it was pretty epic hilarious.
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
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